Coronavirus Outbreak

[hobbo1]

Qantas apparently going to give people 1000 points { worth about 20 bucks) to people who have had double jabs

Tight arses
How much coin has the government given them ..
$20 wow

And how many did they lay off after receiving that money?

Dunno but they outsourced the jobs of 2500 ground workers after scabbing jib keeper cash ..

I know, that was the point I was making. They scabbed public money and then announced massive lay offs.

Dogs.

Just like Holden’s last bail out .. Dogs

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Qantas apparently going to give people 1000 points { worth about 20 bucks) to people who have had double jabs

Tight arses
How much coin has the government given them ..
$20 wow

And how many did they lay off after receiving that money?

Dunno but they outsourced the jobs of 2500 ground workers after scabbing jib keeper cash ..

I know, that was the point I was making. They scabbed public money and then announced massive lay offs.

Dogs.

Just like Holden’s last bail out .. Dogs

With the amount the government spent keeping the car industry, and in particular Holden, afloat, they should have bought the rights to Holden off GM. If you want to keep car manufacturing here on the taxpayer tit, nationalise it.

 

[hobbo1]

Qantas apparently going to give people 1000 points { worth about 20 bucks) to people who have had double jabs

Tight arses
How much coin has the government given them ..
$20 wow

And how many did they lay off after receiving that money?

Dunno but they outsourced the jobs of 2500 ground workers after scabbing jib keeper cash ..

I know, that was the point I was making. They scabbed public money and then announced massive lay offs.

Dogs.

Just like Holden’s last bail out .. Dogs

With the amount the government spent keeping the car industry, and in particular Holden, afloat, they should have bought the rights to Holden off GM. If you want to keep car manufacturing here on the taxpayer tit, nationalise it.

But even the government knew they were shit cars ?
Paid them to get them off the road !

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Qantas apparently going to give people 1000 points { worth about 20 bucks) to people who have had double jabs

Tight arses
How much coin has the government given them ..
$20 wow

And how many did they lay off after receiving that money?

Dunno but they outsourced the jobs of 2500 ground workers after scabbing jib keeper cash ..

I know, that was the point I was making. They scabbed public money and then announced massive lay offs.

Dogs.

Just like Holden’s last bail out .. Dogs

With the amount the government spent keeping the car industry, and in particular Holden, afloat, they should have bought the rights to Holden off GM. If you want to keep car manufacturing here on the taxpayer tit, nationalise it.

But even the government knew they were shit cars ?
Paid them to get them off the road !

Yeah they were dodgy as at the end. Even in hindsight my 2010 VE was a lemon. Stretched the timing chain at 70 odd thousand. Holden wanted $3500 to fix it.

 

[cochise]

I find it annoying that some people say that the disease doesn't have the signs of a deadly one. They fail to realise that lockdown is one of the reasons.

I did some rough numbers on this.

UK/USA have had about 2000 deaths per million people. Data from here:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Australia has a population of about 25 million.
Say we get to 80% vaccinated and everyone who is vaccinated is safe. That leaves 20% of the population as the percentage exposed to COVID.
In that scenario we'd get 10,000 deaths.

The flaws in those numbers are as follows:-

**1. The 2000 deaths per million population is over the course of the pandemic and not 1 year.**
2. That scenario assumes no deaths for vaccinated people.
3. Getting to 80% may be hard.

More people would die of heart disease and dementia compared to COVID.

Lower vaccination rates would chance the picture completely. If we were completely unvaccinated you are looking at 50 000 deaths which would be our biggest killer by far.

Happy for anyone to come up with rougher figures or point our anything I missed.

The way I view it though is if we can somehow get people vaccinated this isn't a big issue. The unvaccinated will also develop COVID and then develop immunity so deaths should decrease over time.

If people don't get vaccinated this would be a catastrophe. People are getting vaccinated though. From yesterdays figures I get a figure of 56% first dose protected in NSW. If we get to 80% by end of this lockdown and people follow through I think we can basically beat this.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout

For every 528 people in the US a person has died of Covid-19. 1 in 528. Think about that for a minute. That probable equates to 1 person in every street or two has died of Covid-19 in the US.

>**It's about 2 percent of the population**. It's freaken horrendous.

I get a couple of broad takings out of this:-

1. Lockdowns/border closures in Australia have saved so many lives.
2. The Delta strain coming late in the pandemic has been exceptionally lucky for us. It's bad it's here but if the virus was this contagious at the start I think we'd be similar to the UK or the US.
3. Vaccines are going to save so many lives.

This has been bothering me since you posted it and it needs to be corrected. You are out by a couple of orders of magnitude. It’s not 2% but approximately 0.02% of the population. I can do the maths for you if you like.

Your % is wrong as well.

 

[hobbo1]

I find it annoying that some people say that the disease doesn't have the signs of a deadly one. They fail to realise that lockdown is one of the reasons.

I did some rough numbers on this.

UK/USA have had about 2000 deaths per million people. Data from here:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Australia has a population of about 25 million.
Say we get to 80% vaccinated and everyone who is vaccinated is safe. That leaves 20% of the population as the percentage exposed to COVID.
In that scenario we'd get 10,000 deaths.

The flaws in those numbers are as follows:-

**1. The 2000 deaths per million population is over the course of the pandemic and not 1 year.**
2. That scenario assumes no deaths for vaccinated people.
3. Getting to 80% may be hard.

More people would die of heart disease and dementia compared to COVID.

Lower vaccination rates would chance the picture completely. If we were completely unvaccinated you are looking at 50 000 deaths which would be our biggest killer by far.

Happy for anyone to come up with rougher figures or point our anything I missed.

The way I view it though is if we can somehow get people vaccinated this isn't a big issue. The unvaccinated will also develop COVID and then develop immunity so deaths should decrease over time.

If people don't get vaccinated this would be a catastrophe. People are getting vaccinated though. From yesterdays figures I get a figure of 56% first dose protected in NSW. If we get to 80% by end of this lockdown and people follow through I think we can basically beat this.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout

For every 528 people in the US a person has died of Covid-19. 1 in 528. Think about that for a minute. That probable equates to 1 person in every street or two has died of Covid-19 in the US.

>**It's about 2 percent of the population**. It's freaken horrendous.

I get a couple of broad takings out of this:-

1. Lockdowns/border closures in Australia have saved so many lives.
2. The Delta strain coming late in the pandemic has been exceptionally lucky for us. It's bad it's here but if the virus was this contagious at the start I think we'd be similar to the UK or the US.
3. Vaccines are going to save so many lives.

This has been bothering me since you posted it and it needs to be corrected. You are out by a couple of orders of magnitude. It’s not 2% but approximately 0.02% of the population. I can do the maths for you if you like.

Your % is wrong as well.

Is it 0.2% ?

 

[cochise]

I find it annoying that some people say that the disease doesn't have the signs of a deadly one. They fail to realise that lockdown is one of the reasons.

I did some rough numbers on this.

UK/USA have had about 2000 deaths per million people. Data from here:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Australia has a population of about 25 million.
Say we get to 80% vaccinated and everyone who is vaccinated is safe. That leaves 20% of the population as the percentage exposed to COVID.
In that scenario we'd get 10,000 deaths.

The flaws in those numbers are as follows:-

**1. The 2000 deaths per million population is over the course of the pandemic and not 1 year.**
2. That scenario assumes no deaths for vaccinated people.
3. Getting to 80% may be hard.

More people would die of heart disease and dementia compared to COVID.

Lower vaccination rates would chance the picture completely. If we were completely unvaccinated you are looking at 50 000 deaths which would be our biggest killer by far.

Happy for anyone to come up with rougher figures or point our anything I missed.

The way I view it though is if we can somehow get people vaccinated this isn't a big issue. The unvaccinated will also develop COVID and then develop immunity so deaths should decrease over time.

If people don't get vaccinated this would be a catastrophe. People are getting vaccinated though. From yesterdays figures I get a figure of 56% first dose protected in NSW. If we get to 80% by end of this lockdown and people follow through I think we can basically beat this.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout

For every 528 people in the US a person has died of Covid-19. 1 in 528. Think about that for a minute. That probable equates to 1 person in every street or two has died of Covid-19 in the US.

>**It's about 2 percent of the population**. It's freaken horrendous.

I get a couple of broad takings out of this:-

1. Lockdowns/border closures in Australia have saved so many lives.
2. The Delta strain coming late in the pandemic has been exceptionally lucky for us. It's bad it's here but if the virus was this contagious at the start I think we'd be similar to the UK or the US.
3. Vaccines are going to save so many lives.

This has been bothering me since you posted it and it needs to be corrected. You are out by a couple of orders of magnitude. It’s not 2% but approximately 0.02% of the population. I can do the maths for you if you like.

Your % is wrong as well.

Is it 0.2% ?

Yeah it is just under that based of the number provided.

 

[Tiger5150]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

It's changing now so that case numbers aren't even an issue. It think the focus is now on hospitalizations and maybe deaths.

We aren't used to seeing things like this.

That X amount of death is acceptable is not acceptable to me..

I understand. I know what it's like to lose a loved one prematurely. It depends on the situation because we all have to die but there have already been and will be lots of tragedies for families within this pandemic.

The thing is none of this matters because all we can do is follow the health advice. The health advice has to be reality based.

don't focus on growing case numbers, ICU numbers, multiple deaths, just focus on vaccination rates.

Sorry that narrative doesn't sit well with me and many others.

That is pure spin.

Vaccines are the most important tool we have to try and fight this virus. We are in a critical point in time in that if we rapidly increase our vaccination rates we should be able to manage the situation going forward. It's a key metric that has to be focused on.

Vaccines though don't really matter because they are just a means to get a result. The key indicators are ICU numbers & deaths. To my knowledge that is what everyone is stating to focus on. We need these as low as possible.

The reason why cases become less critical is that the chain between cases and ICU numbers and deaths is somewhat broken due to vaccines. This doesn't mean cases aren't important. They are. They shouldn't be the driving metric though.

When was the Doherty report prepared ie pre Delta?

Executive Summary of the Transmission Reducing Scenario

Models of COVID-19 infection and vaccination were used to define a target level of vaccine coverage for transition to Phase B of the National Plan. The model was based on the simplifying assumption of a single national epidemic, with COVID-19 transmission, severity and vaccine effectiveness as for the **Delta** variant.

I haven't read the Doherty report, only extracts from it and commentaries on it, but I understand that it doesn't recommend a way forward. It models certain scenarios, but it will be the various governments that translate that modelling into policy outcomes.

That's entirely what I would expect, but I think it's important to understand that the governments' (plural) decisions will be taking into account the work presented from the Doherty Institute, and probably other inputs that they consider relative to their decision making processes.

I havent read it and have no opinion on it. I was just answering pawsandclaws question regarding whether it was based on Delta (it was).

Yep sorry, I shouldn't have quoted your response. Used it as a segue, because my post was also in relation to the Doherty report. Just creates confusion. I won't do that again.

Mate if it’s all in good faith, it’s all good. No drama. Just also wanted my point not to be confused.

 

[Tiger5150]

In Florida they have gone as far as scrapping the funding to any school that have a mask mandate. Basic banning masks in schools.

Woah hang on. How do you go from not endorsing a mask mandate and banning masks. Do you understand what mandate means?

 

[mike]

I find it annoying that some people say that the disease doesn't have the signs of a deadly one. They fail to realise that lockdown is one of the reasons.

I did some rough numbers on this.

UK/USA have had about 2000 deaths per million people. Data from here:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Australia has a population of about 25 million.
Say we get to 80% vaccinated and everyone who is vaccinated is safe. That leaves 20% of the population as the percentage exposed to COVID.
In that scenario we'd get 10,000 deaths.

The flaws in those numbers are as follows:-

**1. The 2000 deaths per million population is over the course of the pandemic and not 1 year.**
2. That scenario assumes no deaths for vaccinated people.
3. Getting to 80% may be hard.

More people would die of heart disease and dementia compared to COVID.

Lower vaccination rates would chance the picture completely. If we were completely unvaccinated you are looking at 50 000 deaths which would be our biggest killer by far.

Happy for anyone to come up with rougher figures or point our anything I missed.

The way I view it though is if we can somehow get people vaccinated this isn't a big issue. The unvaccinated will also develop COVID and then develop immunity so deaths should decrease over time.

If people don't get vaccinated this would be a catastrophe. People are getting vaccinated though. From yesterdays figures I get a figure of 56% first dose protected in NSW. If we get to 80% by end of this lockdown and people follow through I think we can basically beat this.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout

For every 528 people in the US a person has died of Covid-19. 1 in 528. Think about that for a minute. That probable equates to 1 person in every street or two has died of Covid-19 in the US.

>**It's about 2 percent of the population**. It's freaken horrendous.

I get a couple of broad takings out of this:-

1. Lockdowns/border closures in Australia have saved so many lives.
2. The Delta strain coming late in the pandemic has been exceptionally lucky for us. It's bad it's here but if the virus was this contagious at the start I think we'd be similar to the UK or the US.
3. Vaccines are going to save so many lives.

This has been bothering me since you posted it and it needs to be corrected. You are out by a couple of orders of magnitude. It’s not 2% but approximately 0.02% of the population. I can do the maths for you if you like.

Your % is wrong as well.

Yeah I know, you’re a bit slow.

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30513/coronavirus-outbreak/13554?_=1629773612817

 

[Demps]


Thanks @willow
How do I look?

 

[cochise]

I find it annoying that some people say that the disease doesn't have the signs of a deadly one. They fail to realise that lockdown is one of the reasons.

I did some rough numbers on this.

UK/USA have had about 2000 deaths per million people. Data from here:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Australia has a population of about 25 million.
Say we get to 80% vaccinated and everyone who is vaccinated is safe. That leaves 20% of the population as the percentage exposed to COVID.
In that scenario we'd get 10,000 deaths.

The flaws in those numbers are as follows:-

**1. The 2000 deaths per million population is over the course of the pandemic and not 1 year.**
2. That scenario assumes no deaths for vaccinated people.
3. Getting to 80% may be hard.

More people would die of heart disease and dementia compared to COVID.

Lower vaccination rates would chance the picture completely. If we were completely unvaccinated you are looking at 50 000 deaths which would be our biggest killer by far.

Happy for anyone to come up with rougher figures or point our anything I missed.

The way I view it though is if we can somehow get people vaccinated this isn't a big issue. The unvaccinated will also develop COVID and then develop immunity so deaths should decrease over time.

If people don't get vaccinated this would be a catastrophe. People are getting vaccinated though. From yesterdays figures I get a figure of 56% first dose protected in NSW. If we get to 80% by end of this lockdown and people follow through I think we can basically beat this.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout

For every 528 people in the US a person has died of Covid-19. 1 in 528. Think about that for a minute. That probable equates to 1 person in every street or two has died of Covid-19 in the US.

>**It's about 2 percent of the population**. It's freaken horrendous.

I get a couple of broad takings out of this:-

1. Lockdowns/border closures in Australia have saved so many lives.
2. The Delta strain coming late in the pandemic has been exceptionally lucky for us. It's bad it's here but if the virus was this contagious at the start I think we'd be similar to the UK or the US.
3. Vaccines are going to save so many lives.

This has been bothering me since you posted it and it needs to be corrected. You are out by a couple of orders of magnitude. It’s not 2% but approximately 0.02% of the population. I can do the maths for you if you like.

Your % is wrong as well.

Yeah I know, you’re a bit slow.

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30513/coronavirus-outbreak/13554?_=1629773612817

Just been busy and not keeping up lol

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*

No one should have any issue with Vic reducing its nos due what has been experienced in the State. I wish Dan Andrews was here in NSW.

I don't.

Neither do I. Andrews and Gladys have both been responsible for some awful outcomes.

You neglected to mention Brad (health) Hazard.

He comes in under Gladys. At the end of the day the Premiers assume responsibility for their governments.


Neither Gladys or Hazard will take blame for this,they would be looking for a scapegoat

Yeah I know, my point goes back to saying I wouldn't trust either the NSW or Victorian premiers with handling COVID as they have both overseen some really poor outcomes. The rest of the states, ALP or LNP have handled their regions well.

Under the same stressors?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*

No one should have any issue with Vic reducing its nos due what has been experienced in the State. I wish Dan Andrews was here in NSW.

I don't.

Neither do I. Andrews and Gladys have both been responsible for some awful outcomes.

You neglected to mention Brad (health) Hazard.

He comes in under Gladys. At the end of the day the Premiers assume responsibility for their governments.


Neither Gladys or Hazard will take blame for this,they would be looking for a scapegoat

Yeah I know, my point goes back to saying I wouldn't trust either the NSW or Victorian premiers with handling COVID as they have both overseen some really poor outcomes. The rest of the states, ALP or LNP have handled their regions well.

Under the same stressors?

Well no, of course not. They have not been as reckless though.

 

[happy_tiger]

Qantas apparently going to give people 1000 points { worth about 20 bucks) to people who have had double jabs

Tight arses
How much coin has the government given them ..
$20 wow

And how many did they lay off after receiving that money?

Dunno but they outsourced the jobs of 2500 ground workers after scabbing jib keeper cash ..

I know, that was the point I was making. They scabbed public money and then announced massive lay offs.

Dogs.

Just like Holden’s last bail out .. Dogs

Buried Ansett ..saved Qantas scum

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*

No one should have any issue with Vic reducing its nos due what has been experienced in the State. I wish Dan Andrews was here in NSW.

I don't.

Neither do I. Andrews and Gladys have both been responsible for some awful outcomes.

You neglected to mention Brad (health) Hazard.

He comes in under Gladys. At the end of the day the Premiers assume responsibility for their governments.


Neither Gladys or Hazard will take blame for this,they would be looking for a scapegoat

Yeah I know, my point goes back to saying I wouldn't trust either the NSW or Victorian premiers with handling COVID as they have both overseen some really poor outcomes. The rest of the states, ALP or LNP have handled their regions well.

Under the same stressors?

Well no, of course not. They have not been as reckless though.

THey have the luxury.....

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*

No one should have any issue with Vic reducing its nos due what has been experienced in the State. I wish Dan Andrews was here in NSW.

I don't.

Neither do I. Andrews and Gladys have both been responsible for some awful outcomes.

You neglected to mention Brad (health) Hazard.

He comes in under Gladys. At the end of the day the Premiers assume responsibility for their governments.


Neither Gladys or Hazard will take blame for this,they would be looking for a scapegoat

Yeah I know, my point goes back to saying I wouldn't trust either the NSW or Victorian premiers with handling COVID as they have both overseen some really poor outcomes. The rest of the states, ALP or LNP have handled their regions well.

Under the same stressors?

Well no, of course not. They have not been as reckless though.

THey have the luxury.....

The luxury of making sensible decisions? OK...

 

[CocaCola]

Where did allnthe Influenza deaths go? They couldn't be hiding under any other death statistic right? You would have to be 'CraZy' to consider that.


 

[Tiger5150]

Where did allnthe Influenza deaths go? They couldn't be hiding under any other death statistic right? You would have to be 'CraZy' to consider that.


You dont think that mask wearing, society wide lockdowns, social distancing designed to stop a respiratory disease 3 times more transmissible than influenza might have had an impact on the number of influenza cases (and therefore deaths) the last 18 months? Would that seem 'CraZy' to you?

 

[Geo]

I received my 2nd jab of AZ today..bit of a sore arm ..

Asked for a lollipop