Coronavirus Outbreak

[Snake]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

 

[coivtny]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

I would think co-mordibities would be like lung, heart and immune deficiencies.

And having just been bitten by a Black Mamba.

 

[coivtny]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

 

[Snake]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

be

Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Your lucky your Doc takes care it is a serious situation.. on the side of caution is the best way .. have you a blood pressure monitor ? great thing to own gives you piece of mind .

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

 

[Snake]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

Your living to 100…

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

Your living to 100…

Haha noooo I am not. That's about the only thing that's good with me.

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.


AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time ..

WHat makes you say that AZ is just as good as Pfizer?

Is it the Aus Govt advice that Pfizer is preferred over AZ for under 60?
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-vaxzevria-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

Is it the fact that if you are under 40 you will be given Pfizer?


Is it the New England journal of Medicine study that shows that Pfizer is 20% more effective at preventing infection?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

Is it the Public Health England study showing Pfizer 4% (bugger all I concede) more effective at preventing hospitalisation..
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

...or is it your political preference?

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.

FG I know you never miss a chance to stick it into the Feds but last year they had the chance to buy from Pfizer or manufacture our own here. It made a lot of sense at the time to do what they did. The clotting issue wasnt known at the time.

It made sense, unfortunately It fell to bits.

 

[Tiger5150]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

I would think co-mordibities would be like lung, heart and immune deficiencies.

And having just been bitten by a Black Mamba.

FAstest snake in the world. Dont ask me how I know.

 

[Tiger5150]

Semi-serious question....anyone seen Earl?

 

[tigger]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.

FG I know you never miss a chance to stick it into the Feds but last year they had the chance to buy from Pfizer or manufacture our own here. It made a lot of sense at the time to do what they did. The clotting issue wasnt known at the time.

It made sense, unfortunately It fell to bits.

Actually T5150, I think it would have made more sense to hedge our bets. All vaccines were unproven at that stage, so trying to back a winner was never going to be a great strategy.
It would have been good management to diversify and purchase adequate supplies of multiple vaccine types. The risk of over-purchasing would have been significantly offset by the downside risk of getting it wrong.
The multiple extended lockdowns we have endured have been economically worse than having over-purchased vaccines.
In any event, we were always going to be donating vaccines to pacific island nations and third world economies, so the issue of over-purchasing was always a non-event.
The government just stuffed up. It's as simple as that.

 

[Snake]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.


AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time ..

WHat makes you say that AZ is just as good as Pfizer?

Is it the Aus Govt advice that Pfizer is preferred over AZ for under 60?
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-vaxzevria-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

Is it the fact that if you are under 40 you will be given Pfizer?


Is it the New England journal of Medicine study that shows that Pfizer is 20% more effective at preventing infection?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

Is it the Public Health England study showing Pfizer 4% (bugger all I concede) more effective at preventing hospitalisation..
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

...or is it your political preference?

I think the longevity of the vaccine is just as important as you do not want to be vaccinating your population ever 6 months .What seems to be happening in the real world trial is Pfizer is only strong for around 6 months as Israel is finding out are needing boosters already !
The only study or trial I am interested in is the real life trial as all of us individuals have differing metabolisms time is going to tell all about these vaccines.
From what I have read and heard from leading virologist in regards to longevity of the individual vaccines that have been used for a period in the real world trial is AZ is lasting much longer .
The UK which has been using primarily AZ for well over 12 months are only starting to talk about a booster as of now .
So as I have said time is going to tell all but at this stage there seems to be a front runner for longevity .

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.

FG I know you never miss a chance to stick it into the Feds but last year they had the chance to buy from Pfizer or manufacture our own here. It made a lot of sense at the time to do what they did. The clotting issue wasnt known at the time.

It made sense, unfortunately It fell to bits.

Actually T5150, I think it would have made more sense to hedge our bets. All vaccines were unproven at that stage, so trying to back a winner was never going to be a great strategy.
It would have been good management to diversify and purchase adequate supplies of multiple vaccine types. The risk of over-purchasing would have been significantly offset by the downside risk of getting it wrong.
The multiple extended lockdowns we have endured have been economically worse than having over-purchased vaccines.
In any event, we were always going to be donating vaccines to pacific island nations and third world economies, so the issue of over-purchasing was always a non-event.
The government just stuffed up. ***It's as simple as that.***

Disagree strongly that it is as simple as that.

Aus Govt purchased 20M doses as part of the initial run, prior to vaccines actually being rolled out which is/was enough for 1/3 of the population. Which is not a completely unreasonable amount of diversity when we are manufacturing the AZ here.

It also has to be factored in that Aus is a bloody big place with big spaces between groups or people. Pfizer has very particular transport and storage requirements (needs to be kept at -30 or something ridiculous) and a significantly shorter use by period. It is not practical to have enormous amounts of it lying around "just in case" because it would have almost certainly been wasted.

Im not arguing that the Govt covered themselves in glory, but it is most certainly not "as simple as that".

 

[coivtny]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

be

Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Your lucky your Doc takes care it is a serious situation.. on the side of caution is the best way .. have you a blood pressure monitor ? great thing to own gives you piece of mind .

Yes I do. You're right, they are good. After I get my reading my wife gets hers which is usually around 100 / 65. Can't stand it when she gets that superior look on her face.

 

[coivtny]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

Thanks, now I feel much better.

 

[tigger]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.

FG I know you never miss a chance to stick it into the Feds but last year they had the chance to buy from Pfizer or manufacture our own here. It made a lot of sense at the time to do what they did. The clotting issue wasnt known at the time.

It made sense, unfortunately It fell to bits.

Actually T5150, I think it would have made more sense to hedge our bets. All vaccines were unproven at that stage, so trying to back a winner was never going to be a great strategy.
It would have been good management to diversify and purchase adequate supplies of multiple vaccine types. The risk of over-purchasing would have been significantly offset by the downside risk of getting it wrong.
The multiple extended lockdowns we have endured have been economically worse than having over-purchased vaccines.
In any event, we were always going to be donating vaccines to pacific island nations and third world economies, so the issue of over-purchasing was always a non-event.
The government just stuffed up. ***It's as simple as that.***

Disagree strongly that it is as simple as that.

Aus Govt purchased 20M doses as part of the initial run, prior to vaccines actually being rolled out which is/was enough for 1/3 of the population. Which is not a completely unreasonable amount of diversity when we are manufacturing the AZ here.

It also has to be factored in that Aus is a bloody big place with big spaces between groups or people. Pfizer has very particular transport and storage requirements (needs to be kept at -30 or something ridiculous) and a significantly shorter use by period. It is not practical to have enormous amounts of it lying around "just in case" because it would have almost certainly been wasted.

Im not arguing that the Govt covered themselves in glory, but it is most certainly "as simple as that".

Yes. You make some good points there. I probably am over-simplifying it.

I do think though that they were being tight arses. They thought they would get away with a cheaper locally made option when a prudent decision would have been for greater diversification notwithstanding some redundancy. An early and adequate supply of Pfizer might have mitigated the need for extended lockdowns, which have come at a huge economic cost.

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.


AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time ..

WHat makes you say that AZ is just as good as Pfizer?

Is it the Aus Govt advice that Pfizer is preferred over AZ for under 60?
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-vaxzevria-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

Is it the fact that if you are under 40 you will be given Pfizer?


Is it the New England journal of Medicine study that shows that Pfizer is 20% more effective at preventing infection?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

Is it the Public Health England study showing Pfizer 4% (bugger all I concede) more effective at preventing hospitalisation..
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

...or is it your political preference?

OK so lets preface this by stating that my post that you are responding to, asked what data you are basing this on, and you have provided none. Lets get into it.

I think the longevity of the vaccine is just as important as you do not want to be vaccinating your population ever 6 months .What seems to be happening in the real world trial is Pfizer is only strong for around 6 months as Israel is finding out are needing boosters already !

So you state later in your post that you are "only interested in *real world* data" and lets remember you are talking about real world data of Pfizer *vs* AZ. In a discussion of Pfizer efficacy vs AZ you have used Israel to argue your case. Simple question, what is the *real world* experience of efficacy of AZ in Israel?

The only study or trial I am interested in is the real life trial as all of us individuals have differing metabolisms time is going to tell all about these vaccines.

So are you going to pretend that you read the studies I posted? Neither of the studies I posted are clinical trials, both are studies of real world data with massive numbers but I understand its easier not to read the actual findings of real world data and simply post what you think....its like the vibe of it.

If the only studies you are interested in are real life trials, why dont you read both of the studies I posted which is 100% real life data and tell me what the real life data shows.

From what I have read and heard from leading virologist in regards to longevity of the individual vaccines that have been used for a period in the real world trial is AZ is lasting much longer .

So what you have read and heard? So you could post a link to what you have read?

The UK which has been using primarily AZ for well over 12 months are only starting to talk about a booster as of now .

Ive posted real life data of the UK experience above but you ignore it.

So as I have said time is going to tell all but at this stage there seems to be a front runner for longevity .

Based on? Post the data.

So in summary when asked "what makes you say AZ is as good as Pfizer" ...your answer is, "its the vibe"?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

Thanks, now I feel much better.

That's not great either. That's my point.

 

[Snake]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.


AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time ..

WHat makes you say that AZ is just as good as Pfizer?

Is it the Aus Govt advice that Pfizer is preferred over AZ for under 60?
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-vaxzevria-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

Is it the fact that if you are under 40 you will be given Pfizer?


Is it the New England journal of Medicine study that shows that Pfizer is 20% more effective at preventing infection?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

Is it the Public Health England study showing Pfizer 4% (bugger all I concede) more effective at preventing hospitalisation..
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

...or is it your political preference?


OK so lets preface this by stating that my post that you are responding to, asked what data you are basing this on, and you have provided none. Lets get into it.

I think the longevity of the vaccine is just as important as you do not want to be vaccinating your population ever 6 months .What seems to be happening in the real world trial is Pfizer is only strong for around 6 months as Israel is finding out are needing boosters already !

So you state later in your post that you are "only interested in *real world* data" and lets remember you are talking about real world data of Pfizer *vs* AZ. In a discussion of Pfizer efficacy vs AZ you have used Israel to argue your case. Simple question, what is the *real world* experience of efficacy of AZ in Israel?

The only study or trial I am interested in is the real life trial as all of us individuals have differing metabolisms time is going to tell all about these vaccines.

So are you going to pretend that you read the studies I posted? Neither of the studies I posted are clinical trials, both are studies of real world data with massive numbers but I understand its easier not to read the actual findings of real world data and simply post what you think....its like the vibe of it.

If the only studies you are interested in are real life trials, why dont you read both of the studies I posted which is 100% real life data and tell me what the real life data shows.

From what I have read and heard from leading virologist in regards to longevity of the individual vaccines that have been used for a period in the real world trial is AZ is lasting much longer .

So what you have read and heard? So you could post a link to what you have read?

The UK which has been using primarily AZ for well over 12 months are only starting to talk about a booster as of now .

Ive posted real life data of the UK experience above but you ignore it.

So as I have said time is going to tell all but at this stage there seems to be a front runner for longevity .

Based on? Post the data.

So in summary when asked "what makes you say AZ is as good as Pfizer" ...your answer is, "its the vibe"?

After 6 months Israel giving boosters ..over 12 months UK thinking about it that’s fact and has been reported . You now this or you should .
I think that is proof enough ! At this stage …