Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

Prof on 9 just a minute ago believes Sydney will be in lockdown until Christmas, perhaps a bit longer. He said when vaccination rates hit 70%, numbers must be reduced and the Doherty modelling suggested 30 per day was an acceptable figure. It seems someone is not telling the public the truth.

Interesting, the head of Doherty came out a week ago and said you can re-open with more cases but with some trade-offs:

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/reopening-with-hundreds-of-cases-is-safe-doherty-20210824-p58ld9

But reading the article...

Opening with high vaccination rates and good testing, contact tracing etc: 13 deaths

Opening with 70% coverage and less than ideal contact tracing and testing: 1457 deaths

Personally I find it extremely offensive to effectively tell over 1400 Aussies who are elderly, disabled, unwell, war veterans or Aboriginal that they don't matter as much as opening up so Gerry Harvey making can make a few more bucks from Christmas sales.

Its not about Gerry Harvey at all, that is ridiculous.

Gerry is fine, in fact he is probably loving this lockdown. He has a massive company that is able to sell online with lower labour costs while the government pays his employees. He is relaxing with Katie onhis Hunter Valley property thinking life is good.

Meanwhile the majority of businesses are small businesses, mums and dads and the majority of them are shut down without options whilst rents, mortgages and loans clean them out.

The Government is haemorrhaging money and going further and further into debt that can not be paid back by even our childrens generation. The US Government is screwing it economy with insane spending with their debt approaching 97%GDP.

What people dont consider is this. Whats next. Exeryone accepts massive Govt bail outs, business lockdowns etc because THIS (the pandemic) is a very bad thing and we need to get past THIS. What if it gets worse? What if we do get past this and there is a global recession/depression in two years. What if a new virus hits in 5 years. There is zero resilience left in the economy or society because we have thrown everything at this.

People need to accept that we can and should do all we can, vaccinate as high as possible and then get back working.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I’m about to get the jab in a couple of hours. First dose. I can think of nothing better to thanks my crippling fear of needles.

You'll be right. I got my first Pfizer yesterday. Got some muscle aches and a sore injection site but other than that I am fine. No headaches, no fever and no pericarditis!

Trust me, you'd rather the prick than a ventilator.

I’ve heard about sore arms. So gonna get it in my right atm (non dominant)

It would be advisable. I got mine in the left. I also sleep on my RH side.

That was a pretty uncomfortable sleep.

Yeah Monday night was a bit restless for me.

 

[Tiger5150]

Prof on 9 just a minute ago believes Sydney will be in lockdown until Christmas, perhaps a bit longer. He said when vaccination rates hit 70%, numbers must be reduced and the Doherty modelling suggested 30 per day was an acceptable figure. It seems someone is not telling the public the truth.

I dont think the Doherty modelling suggests 30 cases a day is acceptable? In my reading it was a lot higher than that.

Again, you have a specialist on 9 advising this today!

Again......because a "specialist" is on television doesnt make things a fact.

Does the Doherty modelling say 30 cases a day is acceptable or does the Doherty modelling quote a higher figure? Simple. It is a fact.

A Professor from Melbourne. Because you don't accept it doesn't mean it is not fact.

Oh well, you didnt say he was from **Melbourne**!..

Im not sure you know what a fact is.A fact is an unmitigated thing. A fact is a fact and it is a fact whether I say it, you say it or a professor from Melbourne says it.

Ill give you an example of a fact. It is a **FACT** that the Doherty modelling does not say that 30 cases a day is acceptable. You can see for yourself....here..

https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/content_doc/DohertyModelling_NationalPlan_and_Addendum_20210810.pdf

 

[Papacito]

Prof on 9 just a minute ago believes Sydney will be in lockdown until Christmas, perhaps a bit longer. He said when vaccination rates hit 70%, numbers must be reduced and the Doherty modelling suggested 30 per day was an acceptable figure. It seems someone is not telling the public the truth.

Interesting, the head of Doherty came out a week ago and said you can re-open with more cases but with some trade-offs:

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/reopening-with-hundreds-of-cases-is-safe-doherty-20210824-p58ld9

But reading the article...

Opening with high vaccination rates and good testing, contact tracing etc: 13 deaths

Opening with 70% coverage and less than ideal contact tracing and testing: 1457 deaths

Personally I find it extremely offensive to effectively tell over 1400 Aussies who are elderly, disabled, unwell, war veterans or Aboriginal that they don't matter as much as opening up so Gerry Harvey making can make a few more bucks from Christmas sales.

Its not about Gerry Harvey at all, that is ridiculous.

Gerry is fine, in fact he is probably loving this lockdown. He has a massive company that is able to sell online with lower labour costs while the government pays his employees. He is relaxing with Katie onhis Hunter Valley property thinking life is good.

Meanwhile the majority of businesses are small businesses, mums and dads and the majority of them are shut down without options whilst rents, mortgages and loans clean them out.

The Government is haemorrhaging money and going further and further into debt that can not be paid back by even our childrens generation. The US Government is screwing it economy with insane spending with their debt approaching 97%GDP.

What people dont consider is this. Whats next. Exeryone accepts massive Govt bail outs, business lockdowns etc because THIS (the pandemic) is a very bad thing and we need to get past THIS. What if it gets worse? What if we do get past this and there is a global recession/depression in two years. What if a new virus hits in 5 years. There is zero resilience left in the economy or society because we have thrown everything at this.

People need to accept that we can and should do all we can, vaccinate as high as possible and then get back working.

I'll try and keep my response on topic with diverting to politics.

Economy and health are not mutually exclusive policy outcomes.

The optimal health outcome approach with 13 deaths means you don't have to lockdown which as you pointed out, hurts business.

Additionally, the less than optimal health approach has a massive cost to business in terms of productivity and sick leave payments, with much higher numbers of people needing to take weeks off work sick.

And hypothetically, I couldn't care less if my local kebab shop needs to close their doors if it means a thousand plus battlers are saved.

 

[Tiger5150]

Prof on 9 just a minute ago believes Sydney will be in lockdown until Christmas, perhaps a bit longer. He said when vaccination rates hit 70%, numbers must be reduced and the Doherty modelling suggested 30 per day was an acceptable figure. It seems someone is not telling the public the truth.

Interesting, the head of Doherty came out a week ago and said you can re-open with more cases but with some trade-offs:

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/reopening-with-hundreds-of-cases-is-safe-doherty-20210824-p58ld9

But reading the article...

Opening with high vaccination rates and good testing, contact tracing etc: 13 deaths

Opening with 70% coverage and less than ideal contact tracing and testing: 1457 deaths

Personally I find it extremely offensive to effectively tell over 1400 Aussies who are elderly, disabled, unwell, war veterans or Aboriginal that they don't matter as much as opening up so Gerry Harvey making can make a few more bucks from Christmas sales.

Its not about Gerry Harvey at all, that is ridiculous.

Gerry is fine, in fact he is probably loving this lockdown. He has a massive company that is able to sell online with lower labour costs while the government pays his employees. He is relaxing with Katie onhis Hunter Valley property thinking life is good.

Meanwhile the majority of businesses are small businesses, mums and dads and the majority of them are shut down without options whilst rents, mortgages and loans clean them out.

The Government is haemorrhaging money and going further and further into debt that can not be paid back by even our childrens generation. The US Government is screwing it economy with insane spending with their debt approaching 97%GDP.

What people dont consider is this. Whats next. Exeryone accepts massive Govt bail outs, business lockdowns etc because THIS (the pandemic) is a very bad thing and we need to get past THIS. What if it gets worse? What if we do get past this and there is a global recession/depression in two years. What if a new virus hits in 5 years. There is zero resilience left in the economy or society because we have thrown everything at this.

People need to accept that we can and should do all we can, vaccinate as high as possible and then get back working.

I'll try and keep my response on topic with diverting to politics.

Economy and health are not mutually exclusive policy outcomes.

That is ridiculous, of course they are and I can prove it. Why are we currently locked down? How about you and I meet at a pub or a cafe and discuss this? Because to achieve the health outcome, we need to exclude the economy. It is the definition of mutually exclusive at the moment.


The optimal health outcome approach with 13 deaths means you don't have to lockdown which as you pointed out, hurts business.

Where are you getting this figure of 13 deaths as an optimal health outcome from? How do you achieve the *optimal* health outcome without lockdowns?


Additionally, the less than optimal health approach has a massive cost to business in terms of productivity and sick leave payments, with much higher numbers of people needing to take weeks off work sick.

Again I need you to explain to me how the optimal health outcome doesnt include lockdowns that impact business and the economy.


And hypothetically, I couldn't care less if my local kebab shop needs to close their doors if it means a thousand plus battlers are saved.

The kebab shop owners arent battlers? Hairdressers arent battlers?

How do your "battlers" derive an income and feed their kids? Are they self employed? Do they have a boss? Even if they have their hand out to the Govt they are reliant on the economy not tanking and there is no resilience.

People need to get vaxxed and then people will need to get back to work. Genuinely cant understand the argument against it. Where do you think money comes from?

 

[nuggetron]

Prof on 9 just a minute ago believes Sydney will be in lockdown until Christmas, perhaps a bit longer. He said when vaccination rates hit 70%, numbers must be reduced and the Doherty modelling suggested 30 per day was an acceptable figure. It seems someone is not telling the public the truth.

Interesting, the head of Doherty came out a week ago and said you can re-open with more cases but with some trade-offs:

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/reopening-with-hundreds-of-cases-is-safe-doherty-20210824-p58ld9

But reading the article...

Opening with high vaccination rates and good testing, contact tracing etc: 13 deaths

Opening with 70% coverage and less than ideal contact tracing and testing: 1457 deaths

Personally I find it extremely offensive to effectively tell over 1400 Aussies who are elderly, disabled, unwell, war veterans or Aboriginal that they don't matter as much as opening up so Gerry Harvey making can make a few more bucks from Christmas sales.

i hate Gerry as much as the next aussie but in his defense, he has had a record year, plus paying back some of his job keeper from his employees

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/harvey-norman-posts-record-result-as-covid-cocooning-boosts-demand-20200828-p55q4i.html
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/harvey-norman-repays-6m-of-the-22m-it-claimed-in-jobkeeper-after-record-profits

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Prof on 9 just a minute ago believes Sydney will be in lockdown until Christmas, perhaps a bit longer. He said when vaccination rates hit 70%, numbers must be reduced and the Doherty modelling suggested 30 per day was an acceptable figure. It seems someone is not telling the public the truth.

Interesting, the head of Doherty came out a week ago and said you can re-open with more cases but with some trade-offs:

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/reopening-with-hundreds-of-cases-is-safe-doherty-20210824-p58ld9

But reading the article...

Opening with high vaccination rates and good testing, contact tracing etc: 13 deaths

Opening with 70% coverage and less than ideal contact tracing and testing: 1457 deaths

Personally I find it extremely offensive to effectively tell over 1400 Aussies who are elderly, disabled, unwell, war veterans or Aboriginal that they don't matter as much as opening up so Gerry Harvey making can make a few more bucks from Christmas sales.

i hate Gerry as much as the next aussie but in his defense, he has had a record year, plus paying back some of his job keeper from his employees

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/harvey-norman-posts-record-result-as-covid-cocooning-boosts-demand-20200828-p55q4i.html
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/harvey-norman-repays-6m-of-the-22m-it-claimed-in-jobkeeper-after-record-profits

He ought to pay it all back. Until he does that he's still a germ. Just like all the others. QANTAS are top tier germs though, take a massive handout and then lay a bunch of staff off.

 

[swag_tiger]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

 

[Tiger5150]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

 

[happy_tiger]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

I'd say Diabetes would be a major one

 

[cochise]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

 

[TheDaBoss]

Part 2 of the government drones have been applied and r in full affect

 

[Tim Sheens]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.

 

[Snake]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.

AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time .. PM promised early last yr that everyone that wants a vaccine will get one before December this year .. and to his word this will happen ! No one seen Delta coming …Or maybe Labor could have .

 

[Snake]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.


AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time .. PM promised early last yr that everyone that wants a vaccine will get one before December this year .. and to his word this will happen ! No one seen Delta coming …Or maybe Labor could have .

Hmmm, as expected, a fan of Scummo can't spell or punctuate. Seems about right.

That post shows more about you than me!

 

[coivtny]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

I would think co-mordibities would be like lung, heart and immune deficiencies.