Coronavirus Outbreak

[earl]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

The mRNA vaccine doesnt target the virus, it targets the spike protein on the virus. The mRNA vaccine tricks our native cells to produce the S1 spike protein from your own cells and then your immune system recognises the spike protein and will attack it if the COVID virus enters. All the variants of the COVID virus have the S1 spike protein.

So maybe it's not so easy to tweak the vaccine.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

The mRNA vaccine doesnt target the virus, it targets the spike protein on the virus. The mRNA vaccine tricks our native cells to produce the S1 spike protein from your own cells and then your immune system recognises the spike protein and will attack it if the COVID virus enters. All the variants of the COVID virus have the S1 spike protein.

So maybe it's not so easy to tweak the vaccine.

Let’s hope the virus doesn’t mutate to the point where vaccines and boosters are useless. Otherwise here come the lockdowns again

 

[earl]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

@earl do you think COVID can mutate to something way more
deadly or is that not within the scope of the virus?

It's an opinion but I don't think this is going to happen. Typically the effects of various viruses/whatever become less problematic to society over time. The treatment becomes much better.

I suppose it could mutate into something worse but I don't think it's likely.

I actually think we've gotten off lightly with 5 million + people dead across the world and a disease that has been a major killer in heaps of countries.

Can you imagine the black plague ripping through society.

Black (bubonic) plague is a bacterial infection and easily treated (not withstanding antibiotic resistance).

The point is that COVID hasn't been that deadly compared to past pandemics.

 

[Tiger5150]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

The mRNA vaccine doesnt target the virus, it targets the spike protein on the virus. The mRNA vaccine tricks our native cells to produce the S1 spike protein from your own cells and then your immune system recognises the spike protein and will attack it if the COVID virus enters. All the variants of the COVID virus have the S1 spike protein.

So maybe it's not so easy to tweak the vaccine.

But theoretically, no need to "tweak" it because all variants of COVID have the S1 spike protein.

Having said that, all the vaccines have a lower efficacy against the Delta variant....BUT (speculation..I dont have data to back this up), it is entirely possible that the vaccine has the same efficacy against all variants (they all have the S1 protein) but the fact that Delta is so infectious is in part due to the viral load carried by infected people with Delta is orders of magnitude highers with Delta, so its possible that the vaccine works as well with Delta as the original but the body is simply overwhelmed with viral load.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

@earl do you think COVID can mutate to something way more
deadly or is that not within the scope of the virus?

It's an opinion but I don't think this is going to happen. Typically the effects of various viruses/whatever become less problematic to society over time. The treatment becomes much better.

I suppose it could mutate into something worse but I don't think it's likely.

I actually think we've gotten off lightly with 5 million + people dead across the world and a disease that has been a major killer in heaps of countries.

Can you imagine the black plague ripping through society.

Black (bubonic) plague is a bacterial infection and easily treated (not withstanding antibiotic resistance).

The point is that COVID hasn't been that deadly compared to past pandemics.

I don’t think COVID is dead yet @Earl

 

[Tiger5150]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

@earl do you think COVID can mutate to something way more
deadly or is that not within the scope of the virus?

It's an opinion but I don't think this is going to happen. Typically the effects of various viruses/whatever become less problematic to society over time. The treatment becomes much better.

I suppose it could mutate into something worse but I don't think it's likely.

I actually think we've gotten off lightly with 5 million + people dead across the world and a disease that has been a major killer in heaps of countries.

Can you imagine the black plague ripping through society.

Black (bubonic) plague is a bacterial infection and easily treated (not withstanding antibiotic resistance).

The point is that COVID hasn't been that deadly compared to past pandemics.

True enough, but the real point is it has been THIS deadly, in the era of the greatest medical science to date.

 

[earl]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

The mRNA vaccine doesnt target the virus, it targets the spike protein on the virus. The mRNA vaccine tricks our native cells to produce the S1 spike protein from your own cells and then your immune system recognises the spike protein and will attack it if the COVID virus enters. All the variants of the COVID virus have the S1 spike protein.

So maybe it's not so easy to tweak the vaccine.

Let’s hope the virus doesn’t mutate to the point where vaccines and boosters are useless. Otherwise here come the lockdowns again

It's just as likely we get a new virus or the flu mutates. On top of that I'm amazed at how well we've treated this.

Science/medicine to me is amazing. I feel the world keeps getting better.

 

[Tiger5150]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

The mRNA vaccine doesnt target the virus, it targets the spike protein on the virus. The mRNA vaccine tricks our native cells to produce the S1 spike protein from your own cells and then your immune system recognises the spike protein and will attack it if the COVID virus enters. All the variants of the COVID virus have the S1 spike protein.

So maybe it's not so easy to tweak the vaccine.

Let’s hope the virus doesn’t mutate to the point where vaccines and boosters are useless. Otherwise here come the lockdowns again

It's just as likely we get a new virus or the flu mutates. On top of that I'm amazed at how well we've treated this.

***Science/medicine to me is amazing. I feel the world keeps getting better.***

Based on the presumption that this virus didnt come out of the lab in Wuhan ;-)

 

[earl]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

@earl do you think COVID can mutate to something way more
deadly or is that not within the scope of the virus?

It's an opinion but I don't think this is going to happen. Typically the effects of various viruses/whatever become less problematic to society over time. The treatment becomes much better.

I suppose it could mutate into something worse but I don't think it's likely.

I actually think we've gotten off lightly with 5 million + people dead across the world and a disease that has been a major killer in heaps of countries.

Can you imagine the black plague ripping through society.

Black (bubonic) plague is a bacterial infection and easily treated (not withstanding antibiotic resistance).

The point is that COVID hasn't been that deadly compared to past pandemics.

True enough, but the real point is it has been THIS deadly, in the era of the greatest medical science to date.

I'm optimistic about the future and the way we've handled COVID is to me awesome. At the same time COVID has done some damage. If we didn't have vaccines it would have been worse as well.

 

[earl]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

The mRNA vaccine doesnt target the virus, it targets the spike protein on the virus. The mRNA vaccine tricks our native cells to produce the S1 spike protein from your own cells and then your immune system recognises the spike protein and will attack it if the COVID virus enters. All the variants of the COVID virus have the S1 spike protein.

So maybe it's not so easy to tweak the vaccine.

Let’s hope the virus doesn’t mutate to the point where vaccines and boosters are useless. Otherwise here come the lockdowns again

It's just as likely we get a new virus or the flu mutates. On top of that I'm amazed at how well we've treated this.

***Science/medicine to me is amazing. I feel the world keeps getting better.***

Based on the presumption that this virus didnt come out of the lab in Wuhan ;-)

There are downsides and upsides. How about this - the science is amazing but the politics and ethics around how we manage this whole field has to be looked at.

It could definitely have come from a lab. If it did you'd like to think we get onto how we handle these situations. The funny thing is I bet we never know.

 

[earl]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

Not quite. The mRNA vaccines can be produced pretty quickly now. All they need is the sequence for the new variant and they can modify to suite. I heard the CTO of Moderna say they can basically be set up for a new strain within 2 weeks. The hurdle will be the regulatory requirements.

I don't believe it's so easy to adjust the vaccine. I suppose alternatively there isn't much benefit. The reason I state this is that there hasn't been an updated vaccine yet. They are still using the initial vaccine. If it was so easy why not adjust it for Delta ?

@earl do you think COVID can mutate to something way more
deadly or is that not within the scope of the virus?

It's an opinion but I don't think this is going to happen. Typically the effects of various viruses/whatever become less problematic to society over time. The treatment becomes much better.

I suppose it could mutate into something worse but I don't think it's likely.

I actually think we've gotten off lightly with 5 million + people dead across the world and a disease that has been a major killer in heaps of countries.

Can you imagine the black plague ripping through society.

Black (bubonic) plague is a bacterial infection and easily treated (not withstanding antibiotic resistance).

The point is that COVID hasn't been that deadly compared to past pandemics.

I don’t think COVID is dead yet @Earl

I assume it won't just die. It'll be just another respiratory disease. Maybe if everyone gets vaccinated or we all develop immunity it'll die off in 5 years or so time.

I think the likelihood is though it becomes another respiratory disease.

 

[earl]

My son can't go to school tomorrow due to a COVID outbreak at his school. I wonder how often this is going to happen.

 

[cochise]

My son can't go to school tomorrow due to a COVID outbreak at his school. I wonder how often this is going to happen.

It has been happening a fair bit so far.

 

[TrueTiger]

Is the booster shot mandatory?

For the majority not yet, but I think it’s a safe bet that sometime in the future it will be.

I don't think that is the plan.

@cochise if you catch COVID and beat it, NSW Health give you a 6 month exemption from getting the vaccine in writing. Does that mean then the vaccinated will have to get boosters every 6 months? Is getting COVID and having a natural immunity better than the vaccine and boosters?

The difference is negligible but getting vaccinated is better in reducing risk of death or long term illness… Better to think of a booster as the third dose. When the vaccine was originally released for emergency use we weren’t sure what dosage would be needed as it was too early to tell. Turns out we need 3 and in it is hoped that will be all that is needed for long term immunity. There are other vaccinations that require 3 doses which we receive in childhood (I think hep?). Most require 2. Covid needs 3.

For now. We don’t know if COVID will mutate again and evade the vaccines. Then we start again?

So let's not bother?

@cochise isn’t that what happens though? the virus mutates, the vaccines may become in effective and back to the drawing board. The only defence we have then is our immune system

It works like this but it's not that bad. The flu requires a new vaccine every year. It's basically has an expiry date of a year. The COVID vaccines that are working so well are the same vaccine against Delta as against whatever strain they developed the vaccines under.

My take is that you are also making immunity too simplistic. A better way to think of it is being vaccinated is going to provide you better protection. I don't understand the down side. You have no immunity until you catch it or you are vaccinated. Then you develop immunity. Why not take the vaccine and be safer.

@Earl you make some great points. However, I’m a bit old school and unscientific. There is also a religious aspect to my beliefs. I will always
back my body to fight any virus rather than put something artificial
In it that we don’t know the long term impacts of.

Yeah, who cares about the vulnerable. You must be really old school, we have been using vaccines since 1796.

@cochise i don’t feel this vaccine is safe in the long run mate. Has nothing to do with not caring about the vulnerable. If you knew me
On a personal level, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge me as that type
of person.

I don't think any vaccines have had any negative effects 8 weeks post getting vaccinated. I'm not trying to be slack but there is no rational reason to think the COVID vaccine isn't safe.

As a side point I'll mention who the vulnerable are. My dad is a retired doctor and he told me it was typically people having chemotherapy.

I'll also add I don't think at the vaccine levels we have now that the unvaccinated are a big risk to the rest of society. They've typically free loaded into a much better situation. I think the main risk is too themselves.

I’ll correct you @Earl. The unvaxed have not free loaded, as we all have been subject to the same restrictions of which the unvaxed are now losing there jobs and still restricted in there movements. So to say freeloaded is not right

I havent been here much because I was TERMINATED from my job because Im not double vaxxed against covid.....no jab no job...so I went to the doc for a medical exemption so I could work and he said no unless I have an adverse reaction to the vax....hello doc I have had a history of blood clotting and I prefer to take my chances on something not much worse than a common flu...

I know most will get all huffy about what I said....go do some research and you will find out just what a fear mongering scare this crap was for the sake of big pharma,faucci and gates...
I will even go as far as saying the PCR tests are giving more false positives than neg and nearly all deaths in hospitals are put down to covid ...even old age ,heart attacks and car accidents..

Have a great xmas guys stay safe and bring on 2022 season....

I will leave you with what our Lord Jesus Christ said on the cross before he was lanced...

""Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"


thats for the Govt,you know the people who are supposed to look after us as they work for us...not oppress or divide us.....free choice,my health,my body...

 

[earl]

so I went to the doc for a medical exemption so I could work and he said no unless I have an adverse reaction to the vax

My dad is a retired doctor who took the AZ vaccine as soon as possible. He is on all sorts of drugs including drugs to stop blood clotting. He has also had a couple of strokes. I asked him on the weekend who can't take the vaccine and he stated it was people on chemotherapy.

I'm sorry for your situation but your situation is as per my expectations and that is most people that think they can get medical exemptions aren't really eligible.

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Again I feel for you in your situation but the facts are the facts.

 

[earl]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/closure-of-hundreds-of-schools-childcare-centres-prompts-calls-for-rapid-test-rollout-20211110-p597pa.html

I just read this article on the school issue. I'm not a big fan of vaccinating kids but maybe it needs to happen to try and minimize school closures.

 

[earl]

Stay strong mate, sorry to hear. Us apparent (freeloaders) will eventually be allowed back into the community soon. They can’t lock us up forever.

If you are being locked up. I have 2 friends who own gyms and they have told me they aren't checking vaccination status or minimizing class size. Plus one is unvaccinated.

Anyway you will be allowed to do everything soon even though in my opinion you've done the wrong thing by society and yourself.

it’s a disease of the vaxxed at the moment as they are the only ones spreading it around. Rumour has it we will all be restricted over Christmas and New Years anyway, including the vaxxed, to prevent a super spreader event,

Nonsense. The proof is so clear cut now. Look at how well we've handled the outbreak and it's due to the massive uptake of the vaccine.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/closure-of-hundreds-of-schools-childcare-centres-prompts-calls-for-rapid-test-rollout-20211110-p597pa.html

I just read this article on the school issue. I'm not a big fan of vaccinating kids but maybe it needs to happen to try and minimize school closures.

Mandatory vaccines for kids is going to cause huge dramas in this country. Just the other day I saw a parent who stated, “They are not putting that poison in my child”

 

[TheDaBoss]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/closure-of-hundreds-of-schools-childcare-centres-prompts-calls-for-rapid-test-rollout-20211110-p597pa.html

I just read this article on the school issue. I'm not a big fan of vaccinating kids but maybe it needs to happen to try and minimize school closures.

Mandatory vaccines for kids is going to cause huge dramas in this country. Just the other day I saw a parent who stated, “They are not putting that poison in my child”

Well those parenta r a chip short of a big mac meal arent they

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Stay strong mate, sorry to hear. Us apparent (freeloaders) will eventually be allowed back into the community soon. They can’t lock us up forever.

If you are being locked up. I have 2 friends who own gyms and they have told me they aren't checking vaccination status or minimizing class size. Plus one is unvaccinated.

Anyway you will be allowed to do everything soon even though in my opinion you've done the wrong thing by society and yourself.

it’s a disease of the vaxxed at the moment as they are the only ones spreading it around. Rumour has it we will all be restricted over Christmas and New Years anyway, including the vaxxed, to prevent a super spreader event,

Nonsense. The proof is so clear cut now. Look at how well we've handled the outbreak and it's due to the massive uptake of the vaccine.

@Earl i comply by the rules mate. Big fines if you get caught breaching the health orders. I have a home gym mate, so don’t need to venture out.