tig_prmz
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A bit late but congrats to Tendulkar on getting his 50th hundered. That is truly AMAZING.
Cricket Season Thread
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redemption
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@stryker said:
There is serious shame in losing two home Tests (Adelaide anyone…?) by an innings + !!!! And in Perth we jagged a win after yet another unforgiveable batting collapse!!!
I believe what people really reject and resent is the arrogance of a highly-paid team who could not get the clear message that they were not as talented as the team they were playing - and instead of relying on sledging - they needed to show some grit at the crease!!!! Without Hussey and Haddin - we would have lost every match within 4 days!!!
England have been excellent and fully deserve their win (3-1 would be a truer indication of their dominance) - but we have been sub-standard (and by that we have distorted exactly how good England might have been)!!!
Yeah your right about Huss and Haddin….but it wasnt that long ago that most were calling for his head as well.
This side is rebuilding after having its guts ripped out through the retirement of half a dozen legends. Its going to take time.
Ponting needs to stay for the meantime. Some of the crap I've heard and read about him over the past few days is really ticking me off. The bloke is a legend who had a lot to do with the sucess Australian cricket enjoyed for more than a decade at the top. He has had a poor series for sure but his experience is still needed to help this side turn the corner.
This side is rebuilding after having its guts ripped out through the retirement of half a dozen legends. Its going to take time.
Ponting needs to stay for the meantime. Some of the crap I've heard and read about him over the past few days is really ticking me off. The bloke is a legend who had a lot to do with the sucess Australian cricket enjoyed for more than a decade at the top. He has had a poor series for sure but his experience is still needed to help this side turn the corner.
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I agree that Ricky is one of our best ever & I also want to see him retained as a middle-order batsman & captain - but his capacity to get his own boys in the squad needs to be curtailed by a strong Bobby Simpson style coach and selectors!!
Doherty & Beers have been joke selections because Ponting refuses to set a field for Hauritz!! In Sydney - they need to bite the bullet and select a spinner TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE FIELD & PLAY!! If those two aforementioned mutts get a run I will be there hoping we lose!
Doherty & Beers have been joke selections because Ponting refuses to set a field for Hauritz!! In Sydney - they need to bite the bullet and select a spinner TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE FIELD & PLAY!! If those two aforementioned mutts get a run I will be there hoping we lose!
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I don't see how we can possibly win in Sydney. Confidence isn't there and there are too many players there purely on reputation rather than form. England have our measure well and truly at the moment and Australia really need to start planning for the future.
redemption
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They are going to use the World Cup as justification to make no hard decisions after the Sydney Test willow!
If they manage to jag some wins in that 50/50 tournament - the boys club will use that to justify the retention of Ponting as Test captain - despite the irrelevance of the World Cup to our bigger issue!!!
If they manage to jag some wins in that 50/50 tournament - the boys club will use that to justify the retention of Ponting as Test captain - despite the irrelevance of the World Cup to our bigger issue!!!
Marshall_magic
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@redemption said:
World Cup is make or break for Ricky. If we last till the semis (final 4) I think he will be retained as captain, if we bomb out, he will probably retire. I think we will do quite well in the world cup, I see us, India, South Africa and Sri Lanka in the semis, with India taking it out. At times our test form has been poor lately, but our one day form has always been pretty good.
redemption
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@Marshall_magic said:
MM - I know that Test cricket is becoming the poor cousin - but I truly lament the fact that they will use a 50/50 tournament to justify future Test spots when it was 20 years ago that they realised that some players were suited to different forms of the game! The Test captain Taylor was even dropped from the one-day team in the late 90s due to that policy - but now it seems that Ricky runs the entire organisation - and he always gets himself & his men on tour!!!
The ACA & team need to treat a 5 match home-based Test series for a major prestigious & historical prize against the old motherland - with equal - if not MUCH MORE effort and respect than a bloody one-day tournament in the fricking sub-continent!!!!
But the World Cup is apparently far more lucrative to the ACA & the players (yet none of them are playing like they need to actually justify their selection - because they all are comfortable due to the fact that they have the security of an ACA contract - and players without one need not bother applying)!!!!
Cricket is hardly worth watching anymore with the corruption and degradation of core values!!!
Ricky may need to drop another form of the game to prolong his career. I'm an avid fan of Punter. He was my favourite player when he first started (I was only 11 and blown away by his ability.) I fear he may be getting complacent and due to his achievements as captain he has earnt himself the right to retire when he feels like. I think he maybe needs to be pulled aside and given a dressing down on the quiet. I also echo the sentiments that the coaching staff should also be reviewed.
triangle_choke
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anyone thinking ricky will be dropped has peanuts in their heads
king_sirro
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Would love to see this bowling attack for sydney
Siddle
Johnston
Warne
MacGill
Watson
Siddle
Johnston
Warne
MacGill
Watson
I brought tickets to Day 4 in the concourse and an uncle rang-up last night telling me I was going with him to Day 3 in the Members area. So these Aussies better execute correct as the effort is clearly there.
Khawaja is a good move. Bat him at 3 as he is our future 3\. Punter needs to move down a bit. I know his out of form but his experience is required in this transition change and the middle-order will have to do. Beer, are they going to play him. If they don't play him here, what was the point of calling him up? He isn't the right man for the job IMO, Hauritz is, but he will have to do. Bollinger to play in front of the very disappointing Hilfenhaus.
Khawaja is a good move. Bat him at 3 as he is our future 3\. Punter needs to move down a bit. I know his out of form but his experience is required in this transition change and the middle-order will have to do. Beer, are they going to play him. If they don't play him here, what was the point of calling him up? He isn't the right man for the job IMO, Hauritz is, but he will have to do. Bollinger to play in front of the very disappointing Hilfenhaus.
@triangle choke said:
So you'd drop Katich then?
Fraze23
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@triangle choke said:
Oh my god yes!
Marshall_magic
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@Fraze23 said:
Brett Lee is retired from longer test cricket and Stuart Clark has lost way to much pace to be a test bowler now (he barely hits 130 clicks).
triangle_choke
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yeah i probably would drop katich..if this is a rebuilding stage i would..he is 35 probably only has 18 months left anyway..leave hughes there bring usman in down the order for experience until ponting goes in about 2 years and probably ferguson aswell for hussey when he goes
future
hughes
watson
usman
clarke
ferguson
haddin/paine
smith
then the fast bowlers
future
hughes
watson
usman
clarke
ferguson
haddin/paine
smith
then the fast bowlers
triangle_choke
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@Marshall_magic said:
they would still be better then hifenhaus and harris
@triangle choke said:
In that case surely Ponting is a better candidate than Katich to drop. I agree Watson should be batting lower. Smith doesn't convince me he has a good enough technique to be a top 6 batsman and his bowling is barely shield standard. Ferguson has a very poor average for someone hyped as a test batsman. Maybe the mediocrity of SA cricket is contagious…
Nic Maddison will be test opener in the next few years. Tom Beaton looks promising over in WA too.
I like this article, partly because it's true and partly because it takes a dig at the other footy code:
The AFL is to blame for the alarming lack of newcomers
Stephen Samuelson
January 2, 2011
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Australian cricket is sick. But as a cure, sacking captain Ricky Ponting would merely be the anaesthetic before the lobotomy.
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Ponting's runs have been sorely missed, but the Australian captain is not responsible for the nurturing of talent, the selecting of teams and the development of techniques. And dismissing him from his post does not solve these problems. There are personnel at Cricket Australia whose job it is to do that.
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The reality is, however, that the well of talent may just be drying up. El Nino has hit Australian cricket but it is a strong southerly breeze that is inducing the drought. Despite the pronouncements from the mythology machine down south – indigenous code means unique to, not universally embraced by – cricket is Australia's true national game.
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The football codes, principally AFL, are siphoning talent from it. This is not merely a local observation; the English press have picked up on it too.
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The seasons are no longer clearly defined and professionalism demands monogamists, not swingers. Long gone are the days when Keith Miller kicked 42 goals for St Kilda or Ray Lindwall played in a grand final for St George.
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Popular history has it that Tom Wills invented Australian Rules football in 1858 to keep cricketers fit during the winter months. It's a pecking order worth admiring but long since ignored. Is it a coincidence that the AFL scheduled their 2009 draft to start on the same day as the start of Cricket Australia's international season? It's one thing being a big fish in a small pond, but the only fish? Diversity of the species is a necessity.
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The economics of it are simple. The football codes offer more players a professional living than what cricket provides.
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Cricket Australia has 25 centrally contracted players each year. Any one of the 16 AFL clubs needs 22 professional players on match-day alone. The AFL, NRL and Super Rugby clubs offer talented sportsman more pay, more opportunities and greater certainty.
>
Cricket Australia knows this to be true. The expansion of the Big Bash to an eight team city-based league next season is an attempt to redress the balance. Better financial reward for cricketers may end the reliance on NSW to prop up the Australian team.
>
If Doug Bollinger plays in the Sydney Test, eight of Australia's XI will have originally hailed from NSW and Queensland. The AFL dominated states will provide just three. South Australia will not be represented at all. Its state team is dominated by interlopers seeking an opportunity. Tom Cooper, Dan Christian, Aaron O'Brien and Tim Lang hail from NSW. Ben Edmondson has drifted in from Western Australia while former Victorians Michael Klinger and Aiden Blizzard are mainstays at the top of the order.
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What happened to the talent line that produced the Chappell brothers, David Hookes, Tim May, Darren Lehmann and Greg Blewett, let alone a bevy of perfectly acceptable first-class cricketers?
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But the AFL wants to grow their sport in Sydney too. Rugby league is thought to be the code most under assault from the GWS Giants venture, but if it is successful world cricket's most valuable nursery might be under threat.
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For some people having an indigenous code is a source of national pride, and there is no denigrating that, but we don't want Australian sport to be a monogenetic.
>
So by all means embrace the cash cow that is AFL. Digest the mythology, join in the eulogising, but don't complain too loudly when Australia are thrashed by an innings a 157 runs at the MCG. Your slavish, unquestioning support for the indigenous code has ensured it.
The AFL is to blame for the alarming lack of newcomers
Stephen Samuelson
January 2, 2011
>
Australian cricket is sick. But as a cure, sacking captain Ricky Ponting would merely be the anaesthetic before the lobotomy.
>
Ponting's runs have been sorely missed, but the Australian captain is not responsible for the nurturing of talent, the selecting of teams and the development of techniques. And dismissing him from his post does not solve these problems. There are personnel at Cricket Australia whose job it is to do that.
>
The reality is, however, that the well of talent may just be drying up. El Nino has hit Australian cricket but it is a strong southerly breeze that is inducing the drought. Despite the pronouncements from the mythology machine down south – indigenous code means unique to, not universally embraced by – cricket is Australia's true national game.
Advertisement: Story continues below
>
The football codes, principally AFL, are siphoning talent from it. This is not merely a local observation; the English press have picked up on it too.
>
The seasons are no longer clearly defined and professionalism demands monogamists, not swingers. Long gone are the days when Keith Miller kicked 42 goals for St Kilda or Ray Lindwall played in a grand final for St George.
>
Popular history has it that Tom Wills invented Australian Rules football in 1858 to keep cricketers fit during the winter months. It's a pecking order worth admiring but long since ignored. Is it a coincidence that the AFL scheduled their 2009 draft to start on the same day as the start of Cricket Australia's international season? It's one thing being a big fish in a small pond, but the only fish? Diversity of the species is a necessity.
>
The economics of it are simple. The football codes offer more players a professional living than what cricket provides.
>
Cricket Australia has 25 centrally contracted players each year. Any one of the 16 AFL clubs needs 22 professional players on match-day alone. The AFL, NRL and Super Rugby clubs offer talented sportsman more pay, more opportunities and greater certainty.
>
Cricket Australia knows this to be true. The expansion of the Big Bash to an eight team city-based league next season is an attempt to redress the balance. Better financial reward for cricketers may end the reliance on NSW to prop up the Australian team.
>
If Doug Bollinger plays in the Sydney Test, eight of Australia's XI will have originally hailed from NSW and Queensland. The AFL dominated states will provide just three. South Australia will not be represented at all. Its state team is dominated by interlopers seeking an opportunity. Tom Cooper, Dan Christian, Aaron O'Brien and Tim Lang hail from NSW. Ben Edmondson has drifted in from Western Australia while former Victorians Michael Klinger and Aiden Blizzard are mainstays at the top of the order.
>
What happened to the talent line that produced the Chappell brothers, David Hookes, Tim May, Darren Lehmann and Greg Blewett, let alone a bevy of perfectly acceptable first-class cricketers?
>
But the AFL wants to grow their sport in Sydney too. Rugby league is thought to be the code most under assault from the GWS Giants venture, but if it is successful world cricket's most valuable nursery might be under threat.
>
For some people having an indigenous code is a source of national pride, and there is no denigrating that, but we don't want Australian sport to be a monogenetic.
>
So by all means embrace the cash cow that is AFL. Digest the mythology, join in the eulogising, but don't complain too loudly when Australia are thrashed by an innings a 157 runs at the MCG. Your slavish, unquestioning support for the indigenous code has ensured it.
Bazzinator
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Doug Bollinger named as twelth man earlier today. Beer will get the chance to make his debut
