Cricket Season Thread

[Citizen_Tiger]

Good stuff ..he hasnt fully retired!

Yo Happy…IMO Punter is a FAR SUPERIOR player to Chapple, Border and Waugh. He is a better batsman, and at least twice as good as any of them in the field.

I for one am very happy he is continuing.

Both Waugh and Border endured one of Australia's worst ever periods in Test cricket, with absolute distinction. Batting against the West Indies in the late 70's early 80's required a fair measure of bravery apart from talent with the willow. If you wanted someone to bat for your life I'd take those two over Ponting every day of the week. I consider myself priveliged to have witnessed Border's heroics over a significant period of time.

Ponting came into this side when Aus were well and truly on the rise. The batting ran deep and the bowlers included the greatest that ever lived and McGrath. Hats off to Ponting for his longevity, but to infer that was 'superior' to Waugh and Border is either fanciful or dismissive
history. If Border's career had have kicked off in the mid nineties, he would have retired with a Test average of 60+

Ponting may well have retired today on the crest of a wave. People would have remembered his last Test series, not some insignificant one day failures. He's set himself up for a fall and is infected with a very bad case of 'George Gregan Syndrome

 

[Jazza]

If Ricky Ponting does not have a good series against the wests indies, then so be it.

**he should be the only one, who determines when its time to retire.**

he will know within himself when the time has come and will act accordingly.

I don't think that luxury should be afforded to any player, if performances aren't up to standard, then its the selectors role to make a decision. Not wait for the player to make a decision themselves.

If players were allowed to determine when they don't want to play a certain format anymore, then there'd be no need for selectors.

He's not going to be at the next World Cup so why keep him? The last regime showed what happens when you are ill prepared for a World Cup.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

The most successful captain ever? he lost 3 Ashes series CB

He is the most successful Test captain of all time GNR, and that's with losing 3 Ashes series.

He inherited arguably the greatest Test side this country has fielded, from arguably one of our greatest Test captains. He was appointed by default, only because the conservatives at CA lacked the courage to appoint Warne, a man who's cricket brain is Mensa like compared to Ponting's. In a short space of time, Micheal Clarke as demonstrated how static, unimaginative and reactionary Ponting was during his tenure. Hats off to the guy for his longevity, his impressive Test average and his peerless fielding, but it's time, in fact it was time two years ago. He can't let go, like Gregan, like Waugh, like Gilchrist, like Haddin et al. The lifestyle and the rewards are too good. I'd love to see him do it with dignity, like the great SKW, who's timing was impeccable and only added to the legend that is the great one :smiley:

 

[stryker]

hahah Warnie….now theres a bloke who played for the money. Waugh Gilchrist and Ponting play for the love of the game....you were making sense until you claimed this...you have that completely arse about.

Punter is going to keep playing for Tassie...thats got bugger all to do with th money.

 

[happy_tiger]

Good stuff ..he hasnt fully retired!

Yo Happy…IMO Punter is a FAR SUPERIOR player to Chapple, Border and Waugh. He is a better batsman, and at least twice as good as any of them in the field.

I for one am very happy he is continuing.

Stryker name one fearful quick bowler that Ponting faced

The only tests Ponting got were in the nets when facing McGrath and Warne Apart from maybe Dale Steyn none of the quickies in Pontings career where even close to Garner ,Holding ,Roberts ,Marshall ,Ambrose or Hadlee

And trying to compare the batsman friendly pitches of now to 25-30 years ago

Stryker sorry man your astray this time Batting averages sometimes lead people up the garden path and they certainly do when comparing modern day batsman to the past

And Allan Border fielding wise was as good as any one have seen Great slipper Dead eye dick from square leg

Only advantage Punter has is he is quicker Don't get me wrong Ponting is a very good player but I don't think you can put him in Border's class

 

[Jazza]

I agree partly with both Stryker and Citizen, Warne certainly had a superior cricket brain, and probably would of been a better tactical captain. However, imagine if they appointed him captain when Ponting was appointed. We would of had our ODI captain sent home in disgrace on the opening of the 2003 World Cup with a drug ban.

What's forgotten is sure everyone knows that Ponting wanted Symonds for the 03 World Cup and he delivered with a century in the first game, but also in the semi against Sri Lanka, Symonds made 91* out of a total of 212\. Symonds would not of been on that tour if Ponting wasn't captain and who knows the result of that semi could of been very different with Symonds not being there.

And also considering how well Ponting did with the captaincy when Warne was banned, it would of been highly unlikely Warne would of got the captaincy back. We won I think 21 straight matches at the start of 03 and probably 3/4 of those was without Warne and under Ponting.

In saying all of that, Ponting is certainly hanging on, I don't mind as long as he scores runs. And I do think it is for the love of the game, if he wanted to play for the money he would settle into the IPL, the BBL and 20/20 in England. I think he want's to give something back to the game and I think he feels he can do that by still playing and helping youngsters at the same time.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Ponting should have retired from one dayers after the world cup. With the selectors looking at some new blood for the one dayers, I have no issues with them leaving out Ponting in that form of the game, we have a good enough team without him to beat the best teams in the world and at his age it's not worth persisting with him in his current form. They have to keep him for the tests though.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

hahah Warnie….now theres a bloke who played for the money. Waugh Gilchrist and Ponting play for the love of the game....you were making sense until you claimed this...you have that completely arse about.

Punter is going to keep playing for Tassie...thats got bugger all to do with th money.

The greatest bowler in the history of the game and the second all time leading wicket taker played only for money? Your're suggesting that it's the 'love of the game' that is currently driving Ponting? You wouldn't like to revise those observations would you?

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

hahah Warnie….now theres a bloke who played for the money. Waugh Gilchrist and Ponting play for the love of the game....you were making sense until you claimed this...you have that completely arse about.

Punter is going to keep playing for Tassie...thats got bugger all to do with th money.

The greatest bowler in the history of the game and the second all time leading wicket taker played only for money? Your're suggesting that it's the 'love of the game' that is currently driving Ponting? You wouldn't like to revise those observations would you?

 

[Marshall_magic]

What were people's opinion of the mankad yesterday? I personally have no issues with bowlers doing it, the non-striker should stay in his crease until the bowler releases the ball. It's not difficult, and if they're going to leave early why not run them out? I believe the umpire has to warn the batsman before the bowler is allowed to attempt it. If the umpire warns you and you still get mankadded, you deserve to be out. The fact that Lankan bloke kept leaving the crease early after he was mankadded but called back shows just how stupid he is. I was hoping Ashwin or another Indian got him a second time and didn't call him back.

 

[Peaches]

What were people's opinion of the mankad yesterday? I personally have no issues with bowlers doing it, the non-striker should stay in his crease until the bowler releases the ball. It's not difficult, and if they're going to leave early why not run them out? I believe the umpire has to warn the batsman before the bowler is allowed to attempt it. If the umpire warns you and you still get mankadded, you deserve to be out. The fact that Lankan bloke kept leaving the crease early after he was mankadded but called back shows just how stupid he is. I was hoping Ashwin or another Indian got him a second time and didn't call him back.

Agree with you. I don't see why its called unsportsmanlike. The non-striker is acting unsportsmanlike by being out of his crease before the ball is delivered.

 

[Jazza]

What were people's opinion of the mankad yesterday? I personally have no issues with bowlers doing it, the non-striker should stay in his crease until the bowler releases the ball. It's not difficult, and if they're going to leave early why not run them out? I believe the umpire has to warn the batsman before the bowler is allowed to attempt it. If the umpire warns you and you still get mankadded, you deserve to be out. The fact that Lankan bloke kept leaving the crease early after he was mankadded but called back shows just how stupid he is. I was hoping Ashwin or another Indian got him a second time and didn't call him back.

Agree with you. I don't see why its called unsportsmanlike. The non-striker is acting unsportsmanlike by being out of his crease before the ball is delivered.

Exactly what I think as well. The non striker gets an unfair advantage by backing up so far. Rules are rules and its there for that purpose, why should the batsman be exempt from being Mankadded. It should be no different to getting run out or stumped and if the non striker is mankadded, its his fault.

 

[stryker]

Its somewhat similar to a runner in baseball 'stealing' bases. If he is caught with a good throw he's out.

 

[Marshall_magic]

I think it is more like being "picked off" in baseball. When the runner gets too far off the base, so the pitcher throws to the base rather than the plate and makes the out.

 

[happy_tiger]

Actually I would prefer the rule to be if you are out of your crease you are out without even needing to break the bails
Much like if you are not standing in the batters box in baseball

 

[stryker]

I think it is more like being "picked off" in baseball. When the runner gets too far off the base, so the pitcher throws to the base rather than the plate and makes the out.

Yeah thats what I mean. Its bad luck…you were trying to get an advantage and were caught out. It should definetly be a dismissal.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

In indoor you don't even need a warning, as long as the bowler completes his delivery phase he can mankad the non striker.

It's an unusual mode of dismissal as it doesn't happen often, but it's hardly unsportsmanlike.

 

[Marshall_magic]

In indoor you don't even need a warning, as long as the bowler completes his delivery phase he can mankad the non striker.

It's an unusual mode of dismissal as it doesn't happen often, but it's hardly unsportsmanlike.

I used to play indoor, and was mankadded a few times, along with most of my team mates. Nobody ever got upset at the bowlers for it, we just made sure we did the same thing to the other teams. You quickly learn to stay in your crease until the ball is bowled.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

In indoor you don't even need a warning, as long as the bowler completes his delivery phase he can mankad the non striker.

It's an unusual mode of dismissal as it doesn't happen often, but it's hardly unsportsmanlike.

I used to play indoor, and was mankadded a few times, along with most of my team mates. Nobody ever got upset at the bowlers for it, we just made sure we did the same thing to the other teams. You quickly learn to stay in your crease until the ball is bowled.

I personally have never done it (I think it's in distaste,) but one of my team mates did it once, after giving a warning.

We were all rep outdoor players so mankad was only applicable after a warning.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Good on Sri Lanka tonight… I have to say I am a fan of them. Jayawardene set the pace with Chandimal, and it was never out of reach.