Cricket Season Thread

[happy_tiger]

I think a massive part of the problem with the Aussie batting right now is tactical/strategic and I blame Justin Langer.

The Aussie have clearly been told not to pull and hook short balls, all the way at least back to the series here against NZ. As a result, when the ball gets a little older, teams can bounce us with impunity. THere is no way of putting the pressure back on the bowling team.

This is the same country that gave us Ian Chappell, Dougie, Early S Waugh and Ricky POnting. Hooking and pulling is a very important weapon for a batsman and taking it away significantly impacts the balance of power.

Ive never rated Langer as a coach

In two games we have probably won about an hour and a half of cricket


We thought India would rollover once Shami was injured and Kohli went home ......if I was the Indian coach I would have used the no Kohli and Shami as motivation to win ...win without our best batsmen and best bowler (arguably )

Pathetic ......couldn't score over 200 in either innings


I'm sorry but our infatuation to create an all rounder that can bat 6 is getting to the madness stage ...let it happen ...don't force it .....the 6 spot in my opinion is one of the most important roles in a batting line up .....If you get a good start they are probably going end up facing the 2nd new ball and if you get off to a stinker he needs to be able to hold the innings together and bat smart with the tail

Cam Green wasn't the issue at all.

Apart from Marnus/Smith, no one has the temparament to face 200 balls.
Warner/Pucovski to open and Wade/Green in the lower middle order.

I understand Aussies struggling a bit as there hasn't been much test match played in the last 18 months internationally or domestic.

Green isn't a Test Match quality 6 ...well not yet anyway

He showed he had the temperament in the last innings. He has a lot of mental resilience. The top order is a lot more important than No.6. You only need them if the top order has failed.

You need them to make a good start a great start and many times they are facing the 2nd new ball in that situation ......and you need a cricketing brain if you have to get runs when batting with the tail ...of the Top 6 spots its bloody important

 

[tig_prmz]

I think a massive part of the problem with the Aussie batting right now is tactical/strategic and I blame Justin Langer.

The Aussie have clearly been told not to pull and hook short balls, all the way at least back to the series here against NZ. As a result, when the ball gets a little older, teams can bounce us with impunity. THere is no way of putting the pressure back on the bowling team.

This is the same country that gave us Ian Chappell, Dougie, Early S Waugh and Ricky POnting. Hooking and pulling is a very important weapon for a batsman and taking it away significantly impacts the balance of power.

Ive never rated Langer as a coach

In two games we have probably won about an hour and a half of cricket


We thought India would rollover once Shami was injured and Kohli went home ......if I was the Indian coach I would have used the no Kohli and Shami as motivation to win ...win without our best batsmen and best bowler (arguably )

Pathetic ......couldn't score over 200 in either innings


I'm sorry but our infatuation to create an all rounder that can bat 6 is getting to the madness stage ...let it happen ...don't force it .....the 6 spot in my opinion is one of the most important roles in a batting line up .....If you get a good start they are probably going end up facing the 2nd new ball and if you get off to a stinker he needs to be able to hold the innings together and bat smart with the tail

Cam Green wasn't the issue at all.

Apart from Marnus/Smith, no one has the temparament to face 200 balls.
Warner/Pucovski to open and Wade/Green in the lower middle order.

I understand Aussies struggling a bit as there hasn't been much test match played in the last 18 months internationally or domestic.

Green isn't a Test Match quality 6 ...well not yet anyway

He showed he had the temperament in the last innings. He has a lot of mental resilience. The top order is a lot more important than No.6. You only need them if the top order has failed.

You need them to make a good start a great start and many times they are facing the 2nd new ball in that situation ......and you need a cricketing brain if you have to get runs when batting with the tail ...of the Top 6 spots its bloody important

1-4 is a lot more important mate.

Either way, Green has shown enough for me to stick around as a No.6. He isn't the issue.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think a massive part of the problem with the Aussie batting right now is tactical/strategic and I blame Justin Langer.

The Aussie have clearly been told not to pull and hook short balls, all the way at least back to the series here against NZ. As a result, when the ball gets a little older, teams can bounce us with impunity. THere is no way of putting the pressure back on the bowling team.

This is the same country that gave us Ian Chappell, Dougie, Early S Waugh and Ricky POnting. Hooking and pulling is a very important weapon for a batsman and taking it away significantly impacts the balance of power.

Ive never rated Langer as a coach

In two games we have probably won about an hour and a half of cricket


We thought India would rollover once Shami was injured and Kohli went home ......if I was the Indian coach I would have used the no Kohli and Shami as motivation to win ...win without our best batsmen and best bowler (arguably )

Pathetic ......couldn't score over 200 in either innings


I'm sorry but our infatuation to create an all rounder that can bat 6 is getting to the madness stage ...let it happen ...don't force it .....the 6 spot in my opinion is one of the most important roles in a batting line up .....If you get a good start they are probably going end up facing the 2nd new ball and if you get off to a stinker he needs to be able to hold the innings together and bat smart with the tail

Cam Green wasn't the issue at all.

Apart from Marnus/Smith, no one has the temparament to face 200 balls.
Warner/Pucovski to open and Wade/Green in the lower middle order.

I understand Aussies struggling a bit as there hasn't been much test match played in the last 18 months internationally or domestic.

Green isn't a Test Match quality 6 ...well not yet anyway

He showed he had the temperament in the last innings. He has a lot of mental resilience. The top order is a lot more important than No.6. You only need them if the top order has failed.

You need them to make a good start a great start and many times they are facing the 2nd new ball in that situation ......and you need a cricketing brain if you have to get runs when batting with the tail ...of the Top 6 spots its bloody important

1-4 is a lot more important mate.

Either way, Green has shown enough for me to stick around as a No.6. He isn't the issue.

1 ,3 and 6 the most important ...they protect your 4 and 5

 

[happy_tiger]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine

 

[Tiger5150]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine

For mine Healy is one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.

 

[Harvey]

We have been relying on Smith & Labuschange for runs for a couple of series now. When they are not performing, our team isn't.

Burns and Head need to go. The fact that Wade is considered safe as a test batsmen shows how shallow our batting depth is.

 

[happy_tiger]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine


For mine Healy is one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.

Well their goes your credibility


Warne had to limit bowling particular balls as Gilchrist couldn't read him


And Healy's 161 no v the Windies was as good an innings I've seen live

 

[Tiger5150]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine


For mine Healy is one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.

Well their goes your credibility


Warne had to limit bowling particular balls as Gilchrist couldn't read him


And Healy's 161 no v the Windies was as good an innings I've seen live

I had credibility?

 

[happy_tiger]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine


For mine Healy is one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.

Well their goes your credibility


Warne had to limit bowling particular balls as Gilchrist couldn't read him


And Healy's 161 no v the Windies was as good an innings I've seen live


I had credibility?

had ...lost itlol

 

[Tiger5150]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine


For mine Healy is one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.

Well their goes your credibility


Warne had to limit bowling particular balls as Gilchrist couldn't read him


And Healy's 161 no v the Windies was as good an innings I've seen live


I had credibility?

had ...lost itlol

Ill take that

 

[happy_tiger]

Burns dropped for the rest of series

 

[Tiger5150]

Personally (assuming Warner is back) Id drop Burns and Head, bring in Pucowski and drop Wade back down to 5

 

[hobbo1]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine


For mine Healy is one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.

Well their goes your credibility


Warne had to limit bowling particular balls as Gilchrist couldn't read him


And Healy's 161 no v the Windies was as good an innings I've seen live


I had credibility?

A little...
No point conversing with happy about cricket .. he’s the messiah or so he thinks ?

 

[tig_prmz]

I think a massive part of the problem with the Aussie batting right now is tactical/strategic and I blame Justin Langer.

The Aussie have clearly been told not to pull and hook short balls, all the way at least back to the series here against NZ. As a result, when the ball gets a little older, teams can bounce us with impunity. THere is no way of putting the pressure back on the bowling team.

This is the same country that gave us Ian Chappell, Dougie, Early S Waugh and Ricky POnting. Hooking and pulling is a very important weapon for a batsman and taking it away significantly impacts the balance of power.

Ive never rated Langer as a coach

In two games we have probably won about an hour and a half of cricket


We thought India would rollover once Shami was injured and Kohli went home ......if I was the Indian coach I would have used the no Kohli and Shami as motivation to win ...win without our best batsmen and best bowler (arguably )

Pathetic ......couldn't score over 200 in either innings


I'm sorry but our infatuation to create an all rounder that can bat 6 is getting to the madness stage ...let it happen ...don't force it .....the 6 spot in my opinion is one of the most important roles in a batting line up .....If you get a good start they are probably going end up facing the 2nd new ball and if you get off to a stinker he needs to be able to hold the innings together and bat smart with the tail

Cam Green wasn't the issue at all.

Apart from Marnus/Smith, no one has the temparament to face 200 balls.
Warner/Pucovski to open and Wade/Green in the lower middle order.

I understand Aussies struggling a bit as there hasn't been much test match played in the last 18 months internationally or domestic.

Green isn't a Test Match quality 6 ...well not yet anyway

He showed he had the temperament in the last innings. He has a lot of mental resilience. The top order is a lot more important than No.6. You only need them if the top order has failed.

You need them to make a good start a great start and many times they are facing the 2nd new ball in that situation ......and you need a cricketing brain if you have to get runs when batting with the tail ...of the Top 6 spots its bloody important

1-4 is a lot more important mate.

Either way, Green has shown enough for me to stick around as a No.6. He isn't the issue.

1 ,3 and 6 the most important ...they protect your 4 and 5

How is 1 more important than 2? PMSL

I'm not sure what your point is but the best batsmen are in the 3/4/5 position. Tendulkar, Lara, Sanga, Ponting etc etc. Even in the lower middle order you had Hussey/Bevan etc who generally played more 5 than 6. 6 is always a batting all rounder. Their job is to score quick if the top order does well, stick around with tail enders if they fail. If the wicket keeper batsman is very good then they will pick a bowling all rounder.

I'm not even sure what you mean by protecting 4 and 5?

 

[tiger_one]

And on a sad note, a Kiwi champion has passed away today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9097401/Cricket-legend-dies-aged-64-long-running-battle-cancer-leaving-fans-devastated.html

 

[Geo]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine


For mine Healy is one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.

Well their goes your credibility


Warne had to limit bowling particular balls as Gilchrist couldn't read him


And Healy's 161 no v the Windies was as good an innings I've seen live


I had credibility?

A little...
No point conversing with happy about cricket .. he’s the messiah or so he thinks ?

Really the bloke who labelled Gary the worst spinner to ever leave Australian shores..nigh on 400 wickets later..

 

[tig_prmz]

We have been relying on Smith & Labuschange for runs for a couple of series now. When they are not performing, our team isn't.

Burns and Head need to go. The fact that Wade is considered safe as a test batsmen shows how shallow our batting depth is.

I think Warner will add a lot.

Aussies should win this game with Warner back.

Head is a smart operator and I feel eventually I feel he should be able to make his way back.

 

[hobbo1]

And many forget Australia in the last 40 years have been so lucky having quality 7's

Marsh ,Healy ,Gilchrist , Haddin and Paine


For mine Healy is one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.

Well their goes your credibility


Warne had to limit bowling particular balls as Gilchrist couldn't read him


And Healy's 161 no v the Windies was as good an innings I've seen live


I had credibility?

A little...
No point conversing with happy about cricket .. he’s the messiah or so he thinks ?

Really the bloke who labelled Gary the worst spinner to ever leave Australian shores..nigh on 400 wickets later..

And don’t forget it was happy’s Achilles injury that led to Healy even getting a start ?

 

[happy_tiger]

I think a massive part of the problem with the Aussie batting right now is tactical/strategic and I blame Justin Langer.

The Aussie have clearly been told not to pull and hook short balls, all the way at least back to the series here against NZ. As a result, when the ball gets a little older, teams can bounce us with impunity. THere is no way of putting the pressure back on the bowling team.

This is the same country that gave us Ian Chappell, Dougie, Early S Waugh and Ricky POnting. Hooking and pulling is a very important weapon for a batsman and taking it away significantly impacts the balance of power.

Ive never rated Langer as a coach

In two games we have probably won about an hour and a half of cricket


We thought India would rollover once Shami was injured and Kohli went home ......if I was the Indian coach I would have used the no Kohli and Shami as motivation to win ...win without our best batsmen and best bowler (arguably )

Pathetic ......couldn't score over 200 in either innings


I'm sorry but our infatuation to create an all rounder that can bat 6 is getting to the madness stage ...let it happen ...don't force it .....the 6 spot in my opinion is one of the most important roles in a batting line up .....If you get a good start they are probably going end up facing the 2nd new ball and if you get off to a stinker he needs to be able to hold the innings together and bat smart with the tail

Cam Green wasn't the issue at all.

Apart from Marnus/Smith, no one has the temparament to face 200 balls.
Warner/Pucovski to open and Wade/Green in the lower middle order.

I understand Aussies struggling a bit as there hasn't been much test match played in the last 18 months internationally or domestic.

Green isn't a Test Match quality 6 ...well not yet anyway

He showed he had the temperament in the last innings. He has a lot of mental resilience. The top order is a lot more important than No.6. You only need them if the top order has failed.

You need them to make a good start a great start and many times they are facing the 2nd new ball in that situation ......and you need a cricketing brain if you have to get runs when batting with the tail ...of the Top 6 spots its bloody important

1-4 is a lot more important mate.

Either way, Green has shown enough for me to stick around as a No.6. He isn't the issue.

1 ,3 and 6 the most important ...they protect your 4 and 5

How is 1 more important than 2? PMSL

I'm not sure what your point is but the best batsmen are in the 3/4/5 position. Tendulkar, Lara, Sanga, Ponting etc etc. Even in the lower middle order you had Hussey/Bevan etc who generally played more 5 than 6. 6 is always a batting all rounder. Their job is to score quick if the top order does well, stick around with tail enders if they fail. If the wicket keeper batsman is very good then they will pick a bowling all rounder.

I'm not even sure what you mean by protecting 4 and 5?

Well meaning one opener ...4 and 5 are traditionally your best free scoring batsmen and need to be able to play how they prefer to bat

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Whatever Indian cricket are doing - we need to copy. They are developing batsmen who can play short and long cricket. We aren’t. Most of our top batsmen around the country are hopelessly out of depth once the ball starts doing anything. Give them a concrete road and they slam away. We need to redevelop the ability to develop defensively resolute batsmen