Cricket Season Thread

[Cultured_Bogan]

What's Dizzy up to?

 

[happy_tiger]

What's Dizzy up to?

BBL ....ADELAIDE ....maybe

 

[Tiger_Steve]

What's Dizzy up to?

Updating his resume if he’s got any sense

 

[Furious1]

I like the Indian cricket team about as much as I love the Souff Sidnee Rabbitohs, but credit where credit is due, a fantastic effort by them.

Lessons need to be learned by Australia but wont because the problems start at the top with Langer.

In his post match interview he actually said , "yes I am disappointed but happier at the big picture about test cricket"......wot?

He went onto say that Pants innings reminded him of Ben Stokes innings against us, "and I guess in the future we could have a look at how we bowl to left handers"......really? in the future? This is part of the problem with Langer. He looks good in a highlights reel of som estupid Netflix series giving inspirational speeches with a hint of Law of Attraction woo woo but actual cricket smarts and knowledge which is what is needed at this level, he has no track record. I dont think people realise what we lost with Lehman. He was the biggest loss from sandpapergate.

Being a leftie ...you didn't like a swinging ball because you could lose where your stumps were ...and a good 0ffie who could utilize drift and spin

What doesn't Australia have bowling wise .......we can't swing it ......and **Lyon can spin it ...but he lacks flight and drift**

And as a result no intimidation factor at all.

Massive problems in this team, starting with the openers. Someone has to use some common sense at the top and try and stay out there and take some shine off the ball. Too many cracks been papered over by Smith ( in the last Ashes) saving us.

 

[happy_tiger]

I like the Indian cricket team about as much as I love the Souff Sidnee Rabbitohs, but credit where credit is due, a fantastic effort by them.

Lessons need to be learned by Australia but wont because the problems start at the top with Langer.

In his post match interview he actually said , "yes I am disappointed but happier at the big picture about test cricket"......wot?

He went onto say that Pants innings reminded him of Ben Stokes innings against us, "and I guess in the future we could have a look at how we bowl to left handers"......really? in the future? This is part of the problem with Langer. He looks good in a highlights reel of som estupid Netflix series giving inspirational speeches with a hint of Law of Attraction woo woo but actual cricket smarts and knowledge which is what is needed at this level, he has no track record. I dont think people realise what we lost with Lehman. He was the biggest loss from sandpapergate.

Being a leftie ...you didn't like a swinging ball because you could lose where your stumps were ...and a good 0ffie who could utilize drift and spin

What doesn't Australia have bowling wise .......we can't swing it ......and **Lyon can spin it ...but he lacks flight and drift**

And as a result no intimidation factor at all.

Massive problems in this team, starting with the openers. Someone has to use some common sense at the top and try and stay out there and take some shine off the ball. Too many cracks been papered over by Smith ( in the last Ashes) saving us.

And Marnus

 

[tig_prmz]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

 

[tig_prmz]

I also get what Langer means by success against the Left Handers.

Offies are a great weapon against Lefties when they're defending but not when they're attacking. He's hit the nail on the head by bringing up this topic. I'm not sure if it was the injury but I have a feeling Starc could've cleaned up Pant.

 

[happy_tiger]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh
Marcus North
Hilton Cartright

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

 

[tig_prmz]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

 

[happy_tiger]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

 

[tig_prmz]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

 

[happy_tiger]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

Are there any other legitimate bats kicking the door down?

Green has done OK. Not all of them jump out of the gate.

 

[tig_prmz]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

Smith yes but not Labuschagne.

You still seem to be under the impression that Green is nowhere close to the Top 7 batsmen in the country which is untrue. He isn't the issue.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Bring in mcdermot over head

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

Are there any other legitimate bats kicking the door down?

Green has done OK. Not all of them jump out of the gate.

Off the top of my head:
Matt Renshaw
Travis Head
Usman Khawaja
Will pucovski
Patterson or Pattinson?????
Young McDermott
Cameron Bancroft
Joe Burns
Heinriques

And there’s more.

Now before you start saying no good etc -?here’s my point: all these players could be successful at no6 for Australia if they were given the time in the nets and on the field TO DEVELOP THEIR LONG FORM TECHNIQUE.Our problem is our potential test players are training for and playing too much crap cricket - 20/20.

 

[happy_tiger]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

Are there any other legitimate bats kicking the door down?

Green has done OK. Not all of them jump out of the gate.

The order will change dramatically imo when Paine retires ....Carey can handle 6 ......

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

Are there any other legitimate bats kicking the door down?

Green has done OK. Not all of them jump out of the gate.

Off the top of my head:
Matt Renshaw
Travis Head
Usman Khawaja
Will pucovski
Patterson or Pattinson?????
Young McDermott
Cameron Bancroft
Joe Burns
Heinriques

And there’s more.

Now before you start saying no good etc -?here’s my point: all these players could be successful at no6 for Australia if they were given the time in the nets and on the field TO DEVELOP THEIR LONG FORM TECHNIQUE.Our problem is our potential test players are training for and playing too much crap cricket - 20/20.

I agree with the last sentence. ADD Cricket is destroying Test cricket.

You can hit a century in the nets everyday, it's not the same as being out in the middle. Most of the above had proven that they are not up for it. And will they give up T20 (read: $$$$) for it? It'd be like asking NRL players to forego state and national rep duties to save themselves for their clubs. It won't happen.

I'd love for CA to tell their contracted Test players to give T20 a miss but you know it won't happen with restriction of trade etc and CA would have a vested interest to have the best names in the game playing the Big Beat Off as well.