Cricket Season Thread

@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294853) said:
@tiger_steve said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294832) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294826) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294820) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294793) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294756) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294719) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294707) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294705) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294701) said:
I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

Are there any other legitimate bats kicking the door down?

Green has done OK. Not all of them jump out of the gate.

Off the top of my head:
Matt Renshaw
Travis Head
Usman Khawaja
Will pucovski
Patterson or Pattinson?????
Young McDermott
Cameron Bancroft
Joe Burns
Heinriques

And there’s more.

Now before you start saying no good etc -?here’s my point: all these players could be successful at no6 for Australia if they were given the time in the nets and on the field TO DEVELOP THEIR LONG FORM TECHNIQUE.Our problem is our potential test players are training for and playing too much crap cricket - 20/20.

I agree with the last sentence. ADD Cricket is destroying Test cricket.

You can hit a century in the nets everyday, it's not the same as being out in the middle. Most of the above had proven that they are not up for it. And will they give up T20 (read: $$$$) for it? It'd be like asking NRL players to forego state and national rep duties to save themselves for their clubs. It won't happen.

I'd love for CA to tell their contracted Test players to give T20 a miss but you know it won't happen with restriction of trade etc and CA would have a vested interest to have the best names in the game playing the Big Beat Off as well.

The biggest problem was we had players we could pick ....but couldn't because of Covid and the restrictions ......

In a sense that was something that helped India ....
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294853) said:
@tiger_steve said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294832) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294826) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294820) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294793) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294756) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294719) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294707) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294705) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294701) said:
I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

Are there any other legitimate bats kicking the door down?

Green has done OK. Not all of them jump out of the gate.

Off the top of my head:
Matt Renshaw
Travis Head
Usman Khawaja
Will pucovski
Patterson or Pattinson?????
Young McDermott
Cameron Bancroft
Joe Burns
Heinriques

And there’s more.

Now before you start saying no good etc -?here’s my point: all these players could be successful at no6 for Australia if they were given the time in the nets and on the field TO DEVELOP THEIR LONG FORM TECHNIQUE.Our problem is our potential test players are training for and playing too much crap cricket - 20/20.

I agree with the last sentence. ADD Cricket is destroying Test cricket.

You can hit a century in the nets everyday, it's not the same as being out in the middle. Most of the above had proven that they are not up for it. And will they give up T20 (read: $$$$) for it? It'd be like asking NRL players to forego state and national rep duties to save themselves for their clubs. It won't happen.

I'd love for CA to tell their contracted Test players to give T20 a miss but you know it won't happen with restriction of trade etc and CA would have a vested interest to have the best names in the game playing the Big Beat Off as well.

I agree with all you said. My point regarding the nets is they use this time to develop reverse sweeps and dabs over the keeper. I used to be told for the first 20 minutes of a net session I hit between mid off and mid on and that’s it!!
 
@tiger_steve said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294862) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294853) said:
@tiger_steve said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294832) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294826) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294820) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294793) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294756) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294719) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294707) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294705) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294701) said:
I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.

Because Green will fail like every other WA all rounder we have tried over the last 30 years at test cricket

Ken Macleay
Tom Moody
Mitch Marsh
Sean Marsh

Their bowling looks far better than it actually is because of playing in Perth ..and batting wise they look great at home ...struggle when they travel

That's the worst argument ever. He'll fail coz others failed? Great.

Because they are all in the same mould / style

We will see ....I'd bet on it

Sounds like you've made your opinion without watching him. It's not about being right or wrong- you've declared him a failure within 1 series where he's performed above average.

I agree with you TP. He's shown enough to persist with. He's a better bat than bowler, but right now I would prefer that from our #6 since our openers largely appear to be brittle.

So don't pick an all rounder ....pick a specialist 6 and stop this incessant search for an all rounder ...we continue to try and fit a square peg into a round hole .....if Smith and Labuschagne worked harder on their bowling you have two leg spinning options .....both were actually originally chosen as bowlers 1st for Australia

Are there any other legitimate bats kicking the door down?

Green has done OK. Not all of them jump out of the gate.

Off the top of my head:
Matt Renshaw
Travis Head
Usman Khawaja
Will pucovski
Patterson or Pattinson?????
Young McDermott
Cameron Bancroft
Joe Burns
Heinriques

And there’s more.

Now before you start saying no good etc -?here’s my point: all these players could be successful at no6 for Australia if they were given the time in the nets and on the field TO DEVELOP THEIR LONG FORM TECHNIQUE.Our problem is our potential test players are training for and playing too much crap cricket - 20/20.

I agree with the last sentence. ADD Cricket is destroying Test cricket.

You can hit a century in the nets everyday, it's not the same as being out in the middle. Most of the above had proven that they are not up for it. And will they give up T20 (read: $$$$) for it? It'd be like asking NRL players to forego state and national rep duties to save themselves for their clubs. It won't happen.

I'd love for CA to tell their contracted Test players to give T20 a miss but you know it won't happen with restriction of trade etc and CA would have a vested interest to have the best names in the game playing the Big Beat Off as well.

I agree with all you said. My point regarding the nets is they use this time to develop reverse sweeps and dabs over the keeper. I used to be told for the first 20 minutes of a net session I hit between mid off and mid on and that’s it!!

Greg Chappell said he didn't play a shot out of that arc in his first 50 balls
 
Something I forgot to mention yesterday ....Patty Cummins deserves to be Knighted after yesterdays performance .....he impressed me as much as the Indians yesterday
 
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294701) said:
I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.


Pretty good summary and I agree that there is not much that needs to happen with the team personnel. Agree that Warner Pucowski are the best candidates for the opening slots. When Starc is your worst bowler, things are ok. I think Green looks worth persisting with, his technique is very good and he is putting in with reasonable scores. Concerning he hasnt got his first wicket yet but bowls at a reasonable speed. For mine the one that should go is Wade. Sketchy, and old.

For mine the problem is coaching and tactics. Under Langer, the answer with the ball is ALWAYS short stuff and this bowling attack is never allowed to try to bowl a team out under pressure or get them to knick out. The three of them are quick enough to attack with the short ball, but Starcs biggest weapon is a swinging yorker, Hazelwood is the modern McGrath. Langer seems intent on turning Starc into Mitchell Johnson.

Batting tactics are also poor. In the second and third tests, Australian bats refused to pull or hook and accordingly the Indians were able to contain out bats and pile unrelenting pressure on them. These are Aussies batsmen on Aussie benign tracks we should punish any touring team if they bowl short, that has been what has happened for decades but Langer wet his pants when NZ attacked the golden goose (Smith) with the short ball (Smiths unusual technique invites this) and instantly all Aussie bats stopped attacking short bowling.

We just lost to a seriously understrength Indian team ON ROADS! Imagine if we were playing in England in conditions and on decks that move the ball. We would be toast.

Changes need to be made at the top.

EDIT: Just re-read my post and thinking about Langers pre-occupation with attacking via short bowling with the ball, and defending with the bat by NOT hooking and pulling. It strikes me that Langers career was ended because he personally could not play short fast bowling and was hit repeatedly and had to give it away. Maybe that is influencing his tactics.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294881) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294701) said:
I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.


Pretty good summary and I agree that there is not much that needs to happen with the team personnel. Agree that Warner Pucowski are the best candidates for the opening slots. When Starc is your worst bowler, things are ok. I think Green looks worth persisting with, his technique is very good and he is putting in with reasonable scores. Concerning he hasnt got his first wicket yet but bowls at a reasonable speed. For mine the one that should go is Wade. Sketchy, and old.

For mine the problem is coaching and tactics. Under Langer, the answer with the ball is ALWAYS short stuff and this bowling attack is never allowed to try to bowl a team out under pressure or get them to knick out. The three of them are quick enough to attack with the short ball, but Starcs biggest weapon is a swinging yorker, Hazelwood is the modern McGrath. Langer seems intent on turning Starc into Mitchell Johnson.

Batting tactics are also poor. In the second and third tests, Australian bats refused to pull or hook and accordingly the Indians were able to contain out bats and pile unrelenting pressure on them. These are Aussies batsmen on Aussie benign tracks we should punish any touring team if they bowl short, that has been what has happened for decades but Langer wet his pants when NZ attacked the golden goose (Smith) with the short ball (Smiths unusual technique invites this) and instantly all Aussie bats stopped attacking short bowling.

We just lost to a seriously understrength Indian team ON ROADS! Imagine if we were playing in England in conditions and on decks that move the ball. We would be toast.

Changes need to be made at the top.

EDIT: Just re-read my post and thinking about Langers pre-occupation with attacking via short bowling with the ball, and defending with the bat by NOT hooking and pulling. It strikes me that Langers career was ended because he personally could not play short fast bowling and was hit repeatedly and had to give it away. Maybe that is influencing his tactics.

I wouldn't blame tactics on JUST head coach. There are about 12 people in the room with him. It's not like these tactics haven't helped before. Aus won against NZ/Pak/Ashes the same way. I'm happy with lack of pulls/hooks as these balls aren't going on the stumps. The worry would be if batsmen aren't driving full balls or putting away the straight deliveries down leg.

As for the bowling, Warne and co attacked Tim Paine for not bowling enough short balls. I have never agreed with bodyline. The odd surprising bouncer helps but if a bouncer is your go-to bowling, you're in trouble.
 
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294894) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294881) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294701) said:
I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.


Pretty good summary and I agree that there is not much that needs to happen with the team personnel. Agree that Warner Pucowski are the best candidates for the opening slots. When Starc is your worst bowler, things are ok. I think Green looks worth persisting with, his technique is very good and he is putting in with reasonable scores. Concerning he hasnt got his first wicket yet but bowls at a reasonable speed. For mine the one that should go is Wade. Sketchy, and old.

For mine the problem is coaching and tactics. Under Langer, the answer with the ball is ALWAYS short stuff and this bowling attack is never allowed to try to bowl a team out under pressure or get them to knick out. The three of them are quick enough to attack with the short ball, but Starcs biggest weapon is a swinging yorker, Hazelwood is the modern McGrath. Langer seems intent on turning Starc into Mitchell Johnson.

Batting tactics are also poor. In the second and third tests, Australian bats refused to pull or hook and accordingly the Indians were able to contain out bats and pile unrelenting pressure on them. These are Aussies batsmen on Aussie benign tracks we should punish any touring team if they bowl short, that has been what has happened for decades but Langer wet his pants when NZ attacked the golden goose (Smith) with the short ball (Smiths unusual technique invites this) and instantly all Aussie bats stopped attacking short bowling.

We just lost to a seriously understrength Indian team ON ROADS! Imagine if we were playing in England in conditions and on decks that move the ball. We would be toast.

Changes need to be made at the top.

EDIT: Just re-read my post and thinking about Langers pre-occupation with attacking via short bowling with the ball, and defending with the bat by NOT hooking and pulling. It strikes me that Langers career was ended because he personally could not play short fast bowling and was hit repeatedly and had to give it away. Maybe that is influencing his tactics.

I wouldn't blame tactics on JUST head coach. There are about 12 people in the room with him. It's not like these tactics haven't helped before. Aus won against NZ/Pak/Ashes the same way. I'm happy with lack of pulls/hooks as these balls aren't going on the stumps. The worry would be if batsmen aren't driving full balls or putting away the straight deliveries down leg.

As for the bowling, Warne and co attacked Tim Paine for not bowling enough short balls. I have never agreed with bodyline. The odd surprising bouncer helps but if a bouncer is your go-to bowling, you're in trouble.

I reckon the Windies of the 80s and early 90s would disagree.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294881) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1294701) said:
I hope people eventually stop this overreaction. Warner/Pucovski will be the opening duo. There's nothing wrong with Smith/Labuschagne. Hazelwood/Cummins have been very good.

Paine has been getting a lot of flack when he was MoM in the first Test. He's had a couple of bad games as a wickie and he scored a half century in this game. Happy seems to be against C Green but he's just started and he's got proper technique, can tonk when necessary and can spend a long time at the crease as well. I understand the frustration about Lyon but there aren't any other spinners banging on the door. He's still the best Test spinner in the country by a mile and he'll remain that way for as long as he wants, but pressure does need to be put on him at training.

Wade had a really good first 2 tests but then was moved down the order. He needs to be sustained in one position. He may lack the temparament but can score runs.

Starc needs to be put under pressure but still no one finishes the tail off better than this guy. The reason McGrath was so good in his latter days was due to Brett Lee's intimidation from the other end. He's not your pure Test bowler but Tests are all about partnerships and combinations and Starc combines the best with Hazelwood/Cummins. Nasser would be too similar, however James Pattinson can provide the same aggression.

All in all, a freak, gutsy and courageous win by the Indians. It happens. When one team feels they have a lot more to play for, it happens. But let's not overreact. Pressure needs to be put on Lyon/Paine/Starc but wouldn't change much in this team.


Pretty good summary and I agree that there is not much that needs to happen with the team personnel. Agree that Warner Pucowski are the best candidates for the opening slots. When Starc is your worst bowler, things are ok. I think Green looks worth persisting with, his technique is very good and he is putting in with reasonable scores. Concerning he hasnt got his first wicket yet but bowls at a reasonable speed. For mine the one that should go is Wade. Sketchy, and old.

For mine the problem is coaching and tactics. Under Langer, the answer with the ball is ALWAYS short stuff and this bowling attack is never allowed to try to bowl a team out under pressure or get them to knick out. The three of them are quick enough to attack with the short ball, but Starcs biggest weapon is a swinging yorker, Hazelwood is the modern McGrath. Langer seems intent on turning Starc into Mitchell Johnson.

Batting tactics are also poor. In the second and third tests, Australian bats refused to pull or hook and accordingly the Indians were able to contain out bats and pile unrelenting pressure on them. These are Aussies batsmen on Aussie benign tracks we should punish any touring team if they bowl short, that has been what has happened for decades but Langer wet his pants when NZ attacked the golden goose (Smith) with the short ball (Smiths unusual technique invites this) and instantly all Aussie bats stopped attacking short bowling.

We just lost to a seriously understrength Indian team ON ROADS! Imagine if we were playing in England in conditions and on decks that move the ball. We would be toast.

Changes need to be made at the top.

EDIT: Just re-read my post and thinking about Langers pre-occupation with attacking via short bowling with the ball, and defending with the bat by NOT hooking and pulling. It strikes me that Langers career was ended because he personally could not play short fast bowling and was hit repeatedly and had to give it away. Maybe that is influencing his tactics.

The more and more I think about it , the fact we didn't have a full selection table as we usually would hampered us

Someone like Khawaja comes into contention last Test once Pucovski went down ....and Starc being replaced must have been thought about as well
 
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Former National Rugby League chief executive Todd Greenberg will be the new chief executive of the Australian Cricketers Association.
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Like cricket in Australia wasn’t already a basket case and now this....
 
@mike said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1296178) said:
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Former National Rugby League chief executive Todd Greenberg will be the new chief executive of the Australian Cricketers Association.
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Like cricket in Australia wasn’t already a basket case and now this....

At least he can give tips on shining the ball 😂
 
@mike said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1296178) said:
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Former National Rugby League chief executive Todd Greenberg will be the new chief executive of the Australian Cricketers Association.
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Like cricket in Australia wasn’t already a basket case and now this....



You can guarantee player behaviour will not improve.In fact they have probably ordered a carpet 3 times the size of what they have now
 
@mike said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1296178) said:
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Former National Rugby League chief executive Todd Greenberg will be the new chief executive of the Australian Cricketers Association.
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Like cricket in Australia wasn’t already a basket case and now this....

That's Australian Cricket dead in the water.

R.I.P
 
@mike said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1296178) said:
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Former National Rugby League chief executive Todd Greenberg will be the new chief executive of the Australian Cricketers Association.
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Like cricket in Australia wasn’t already a basket case and now this....

NZ first in the ICC test championship and now this. What a time to be alive.
 
Thoughts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/australia-announce-extended-squads-for-test-series-against-south-africa-and-t20i-series-against-new-zealand/ar-BB1d7bqB?li=AAHAbBJ&ocid=hplocalnews
 
@kiwitiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1296350) said:
@mike said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1296178) said:
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Former National Rugby League chief executive Todd Greenberg will be the new chief executive of the Australian Cricketers Association.
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Like cricket in Australia wasn’t already a basket case and now this....

NZ first in the ICC test championship and now this. What a time to be alive.

Well this post made me laugh.
Unlike seeing Greenberg’s name up in lights again
 
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1297096) said:
Thoughts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/australia-announce-extended-squads-for-test-series-against-south-africa-and-t20i-series-against-new-zealand/ar-BB1d7bqB?li=AAHAbBJ&ocid=hplocalnews

As a test playing nation we are lost.
Wade, Head, Wade,Head - whose turn is it? We don’t know how to fill our middle order, or opener, because there is no long form first class cricket being played. Also our bowlers are soooooi lucky to be flying under the radar. Twice this summer they couldn’t take 20 wickets against a C grade batting line up.
Jye Richardson for Stark a real chance - but of course Richardson hasn’t bowled more than 4 overs in a row for like forever. So how do we make a comparable judgment?
 
@tiger_steve said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1297299) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1297096) said:
Thoughts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/australia-announce-extended-squads-for-test-series-against-south-africa-and-t20i-series-against-new-zealand/ar-BB1d7bqB?li=AAHAbBJ&ocid=hplocalnews

As a test playing nation we are lost.
Wade, Head, Wade,Head - whose turn is it? We don’t know how to fill our middle order, or opener, because there is no long form first class cricket being played. Also our bowlers are soooooi lucky to be flying under the radar. Twice this summer they couldn’t take 20 wickets against a C grade batting line up.
Jye Richardson for Stark a real chance - but of course Richardson hasn’t bowled more than 4 overs in a row for like forever. So how do we make a comparable judgment?

T20 slowly killing the game.
 
@cochise said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1297300) said:
@tiger_steve said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1297299) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1297096) said:
Thoughts

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/australia-announce-extended-squads-for-test-series-against-south-africa-and-t20i-series-against-new-zealand/ar-BB1d7bqB?li=AAHAbBJ&ocid=hplocalnews

As a test playing nation we are lost.
Wade, Head, Wade,Head - whose turn is it? We don’t know how to fill our middle order, or opener, because there is no long form first class cricket being played. Also our bowlers are soooooi lucky to be flying under the radar. Twice this summer they couldn’t take 20 wickets against a C grade batting line up.
Jye Richardson for Stark a real chance - but of course Richardson hasn’t bowled more than 4 overs in a row for like forever. So how do we make a comparable judgment?

T20 slowly killing the game.

Well that’s what I was trying to say but you said it much more concisely. There’s a first?
 
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