Croc attacks

Just to put all this hysteria into perspective.
Australia 2001-2017; Human deaths caused by an animal
Horses 172
Cows 82
Dogs 53
Kangaroos 37
snakes 37
Bees 31
Sharks 27
Crocodiles 21
So, mans best friend causes two and a half times the human deaths that crocodiles cause. Horses cause more than eight times as many. Not only that, but these dangerous animals live in close proximity to us. Some even live in our homes. We allow our children to join horse riding clubs, deliberately putting them at risk.
My question is, when do we start conducting dog and horse culls?
In fairness mate, most of us don't live near or have any interaction with crocs.

A fair assessment, and one I'd be interested to know on an intellectual level, is human population living near the animals you've mentioned vs the deaths you've cited.
 
Pigs, cats, camels, toads do severe ecological damage. Most introduced species generally do. Crocs however play a role in maintaining the balance of the ecosystem. As an apex predator, particularly a cannibalistic one, it is near impossible for them to be in large and out of control numbers (from an ecological point of view, less so from a human interaction viewpoint) and have previously been hunted to the point where protection was needed in order to restore their numbers where they can perform their ecological niche. To compare crocs to pigs or any other feral animal is foolish.
I've stayed out of this conversation previously out of respect for Tuckers loss and the fact I've spent no time in northern Australia. I however have spent time working with crocs in SA so do understand the human-croc conflict.
Ultimately it comes down to 2 opposing viewpoints. 1 is that maintaining healthy ecosystems is the priority and we should do everything possible to protect them, which includes protecting the crocs. The 2nd is that human lives are the priority, in which case croc populations need to be controlled. Most people would generally consider themselves to sit somewhere in the middle but when it comes down to it, they are choosing one side or the other. Neither is truly right or wrong just different.
A measured view but I think us humans have more control over our habitat choices than the crocs have over theirs.
 
Just to put all this hysteria into perspective.
Australia 2001-2017; Human deaths caused by an animal
Horses 172
Cows 82
Dogs 53
Kangaroos 37
snakes 37
Bees 31
Sharks 27
Crocodiles 21
So, mans best friend causes two and a half times the human deaths that crocodiles cause. Horses cause more than eight times as many. Not only that, but these dangerous animals live in close proximity to us. Some even live in our homes. We allow our children to join horse riding clubs, deliberately putting them at risk.
My question is, when do we start conducting dog and horse culls?
There is significant force in this well articulated submission.

No nonsense and eminently sensible.
 
In fairness mate, most of us don't live near or have any interaction with crocs.

A fair assessment, and one I'd be interested to know on an intellectual level, is human population living near the animals you've mentioned vs the deaths you've cited.
There were no figures to enable that assessment, but it is a good point you make. Human populations around almost all of the listed animals would almost certainly be larger than those near crocodile habitat. My point was more to do with the demonisation of crocodiles, as well as sharks etc, when an attack takes place, when in fact far more commonly encountered animals also kill people pretty regularly.
 
Just to put all this hysteria into perspective.
Australia 2001-2017; Human deaths caused by an animal
Horses 172
Cows 82
Dogs 53
Kangaroos 37
snakes 37
Bees 31
Sharks 27
Crocodiles 21
So, mans best friend causes two and a half times the human deaths that crocodiles cause. Horses cause more than eight times as many. Not only that, but these dangerous animals live in close proximity to us. Some even live in our homes. We allow our children to join horse riding clubs, deliberately putting them at risk.
My question is, when do we start conducting dog and horse culls?
Well that certainly helps to quell any hysteria that people may have. Starting at the top, we need to focus more on horses. The poor bloody cows have already brought attention to themselves for their continual farting, their days are numbered.
 
Was hoping someone could make sense of it...eco system they say...the eco system was fine with less of them...would be keen to hear the eco system argument from before vs now. What is better as a result of so many crocs?
Our ecosystem in Australia is different in that crocs here don’t have predators unlike countries with large pythons, big cats like jaguars, lions, tigers, leopards, and hippos. The people who decide that crocs need protection obviously don’t discriminate, it’s a one size fits all approach.
 
There were no figures to enable that assessment, but it is a good point you make. Human populations around almost all of the listed animals would almost certainly be larger than those near crocodile habitat. My point was more to do with the demonisation of crocodiles, as well as sharks etc, when an attack takes place, when in fact far more commonly encountered animals also kill people pretty regularly.
Appreciate you taking the comment as a fair discussion point. Too often it's about being right rather than getting to some semblance of truth or agreement on things.
 
There were no figures to enable that assessment, but it is a good point you make. Human populations around almost all of the listed animals would almost certainly be larger than those near crocodile habitat. My point was more to do with the demonisation of crocodiles, as well as sharks etc, when an attack takes place, when in fact far more commonly encountered animals also kill people pretty regularly.
If there were as many interactions between people and crocs as there was between people and every other animal you’ve listed, those stats would would be far higher. It is flawed logic.
 
Mate, my thought is that with the ban on hunting, they have multiplied to a level far beyond what they were? Something like 250,000 residents vs 100,000 crocs whereas it was something like 3,000 crocs when they were considered endangered?

Is the fear that they will multiply and overtake the human population in these areas and then we have more attacks because more crocs fighting for the same food sources = hungry and opportunistic crocs?
100,000 is the ballpark estimate for the NT alone - and it may be light. You have to add WA from around Broome up and QLD from about Rocky up. 200-250K would be a closer number.
They are everywhere, in places you wouldn’t expect. Floods move them about and yes opportunism is a factor. People are getting hit and sighting them in swimming holes that have regularly been declared to be safe by the Gov.
 
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