Croc attacks

Tucker said:
You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
Your opinion is city boy bullshit commenting how others should live in areas where you’d never go.
No one wants them eradicated. However there are far too many of them and their effect on the ecosystem is becoming negative. They even eat each other at times when the supply of things like turtles become exhausted.
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Beverly Hillbillies nonsense.

We have a expert posting here, he agrees with me so now you tell him he doesn’t know his stuff. CBECA237-61B8-4C22-982D-3981D7FAB356.jpeg

There are times when populations of critters in the wild expand and contract.

What do you expect to the crocs to do-take birth control pills? Form a reptilian fraternity and take a vow of celibacy?

Are you and Jethro going to form a town posse and go on massive cull and take out 200,000 crocs?

Good luck with that.
 
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TSP said:
I’m afraid youre a bit off with the fairies about this topic.

We have a expert posting here, he agrees with me so now you tell him he doesn’t know his stuff. View attachment 15203

There are times when populations of critters in the wild expand and contract.

What do you expect to the crocs to do-take birth control pills? Form a reptilian fraternity and take a vow of celibacy?
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No. They should be better controlled.
Protection laws have allowed them to multiply to a silly level.
If you don’t live with them, you don’t know what you are talking about.
 
Tucker said:
No. They should be controlled.
Protection laws have allowed them to multiply to a silly level.
If you don’t live with them, you don’t know what you are talking about.
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No, they haven’t multiplied because of laws, they’ve multiplied because they’ve had the natural wherewithal to do so.

And as you know, they used to be endangered thanks to us.

They are pretty much getting back to where they used to be and then their population will likely stabilise as limited resources restrict their growth.

Don’t take city boys word for it, ask our experts.
 
And note to the good old boys, you can take a few out but unless you tackle their food sources, all you are achieving is less competition for the same food sources for the ones hiding in the reeds you’ve missed during the slaughter.

So back they come.

Like the roosters after the Mitch suspension for being drunk and simulating anal sex with truffles the dog.

All class that guy.
 
TSP said:
No, they haven’t multiplied because of laws, they’ve multiplied because they’ve had the natural wherewithal to do so.

And as you know, they used to be endangered thanks to us.

They are pretty much getting back to where they used to be and then their population will likely stabilise as limited resources restrict their growth.

Don’t take city boys word for it, ask our experts.
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You don’t know what you are talking about.
 
Tucker said:
You don’t know what you are talking about.
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I’ve got an open mind.

If you want to elaborate on this position with science etc, please go for it.

I’m happy to be enlightened and all that.

It’s not a city v country thing, the crocs don’t care about such a distinction.
 
TSP said:
I’ve got an open mind.

If you want to elaborate on this position with science etc, please go for it.

I’m happy to be enlightened and all that.

It’s not a city v country thing, the crocs don’t care about such a distinction.
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You put far too much faith in “experts”.
Those that know the most about these beasts are the old boys who used to hunt them.
Now as for control measures…there have been plenty discussed including trapping/relocation, sonar alarms in public swimming holes, AI underwater detection systems and even DNA samples from waterways.
Decisions need to be made and plans need to be funded. The Top End and FNQ rely on tourism. These pricks are everywhere due to decades of protection laws.
 
Tucker said:
You put far too much faith in “experts”.
Those that know the most about these beasts are the old boys who used to hunt them.
Now as for control measures…there have been plenty discussed including trapping/relocation, sonar alarms in public swimming holes, AI underwater detection systems and even DNA samples from waterways.
Decisions need to be made and plans need to be funded. The Top End and FNQ rely on tourism. These pricks are everywhere due to decades of protection laws.
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Mate, my thought is that with the ban on hunting, they have multiplied to a level far beyond what they were? Something like 250,000 residents vs 100,000 crocs whereas it was something like 3,000 crocs when they were considered endangered?

Is the fear that they will multiply and overtake the human population in these areas and then we have more attacks because more crocs fighting for the same food sources = hungry and opportunistic crocs?
 
weststigers said:
Mate, my thought is that with the ban on hunting, they have multiplied to a level far beyond what they were? Something like 250,000 residents vs 100,000 crocs whereas it was something like 3,000 crocs when they were considered endangered?

Is the fear that they will multiply and overtake the human population in these areas and then we have more attacks because more crocs fighting for the same food sources = hungry and opportunistic crocs?
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What is it about crocs that makes them a protected species?
The same government which is encouraging this croc population growth was blowing up wild pigs for fertilizer and has now declared war on cats, using drones to hunt them.
 
Tucker said:
You put far too much faith in “experts”.
Those that know the most about these beasts are the old boys who used to hunt them.
Now as for control measures…there have been plenty discussed including trapping/relocation, sonar alarms in public swimming holes, AI underwater detection systems and even DNA samples from waterways.
Decisions need to be made and plans need to be funded. The Top End and FNQ rely on tourism. These pricks are everywhere due to decades of protection laws.
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The good old boys nearly wiped them out to extinction didn’t they?

You can’t put the fox in charge of the hen house.

I prefer the experts myself.
 
AmericanHistoryX said:
They're practising for humans.
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People in central Oz are knocking over a Camel, taking the best cuts and leaving the rest for dingoes. Crikey, we have our beloved Kangaroo on the supermarket shelf. We're at war with the toads. Apart from the toads giving peoples dogs a hit, they're pretty harmless. But the crocs which are a danger to humans get a free pass?
 
Just to put all this hysteria into perspective.
Australia 2001-2017; Human deaths caused by an animal
Horses 172
Cows 82
Dogs 53
Kangaroos 37
snakes 37
Bees 31
Sharks 27
Crocodiles 21
So, mans best friend causes two and a half times the human deaths that crocodiles cause. Horses cause more than eight times as many. Not only that, but these dangerous animals live in close proximity to us. Some even live in our homes. We allow our children to join horse riding clubs, deliberately putting them at risk.
My question is, when do we start conducting dog and horse culls?
 
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twentyforty said:
What is it about crocs that makes them a protected species?
The same government which is encouraging this croc population growth was blowing up wild pigs for fertilizer and has now declared war on cats, using drones to hunt them.
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Pigs, cats, camels, toads do severe ecological damage. Most introduced species generally do. Crocs however play a role in maintaining the balance of the ecosystem. As an apex predator, particularly a cannibalistic one, it is near impossible for them to be in large and out of control numbers (from an ecological point of view, less so from a human interaction viewpoint) and have previously been hunted to the point where protection was needed in order to restore their numbers where they can perform their ecological niche. To compare crocs to pigs or any other feral animal is foolish.
I've stayed out of this conversation previously out of respect for Tuckers loss and the fact I've spent no time in northern Australia. I however have spent time working with crocs in SA so do understand the human-croc conflict.
Ultimately it comes down to 2 opposing viewpoints. 1 is that maintaining healthy ecosystems is the priority and we should do everything possible to protect them, which includes protecting the crocs. The 2nd is that human lives are the priority, in which case croc populations need to be controlled. Most people would generally consider themselves to sit somewhere in the middle but when it comes down to it, they are choosing one side or the other. Neither is truly right or wrong just different.
 
twentyforty said:
What is it about crocs that makes them a protected species?
The same government which is encouraging this croc population growth was blowing up wild pigs for fertilizer and has now declared war on cats, using drones to hunt them.
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Was hoping someone could make sense of it...eco system they say...the eco system was fine with less of them...would be keen to hear the eco system argument from before vs now. What is better as a result of so many crocs?
 
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