Croc attacks

NT_Tiger said:
In Disneyland the crocodiles are animatronic, so not a threat.
It is common sense to inform yourself with local knowledge if you intend to enter crocodile habitat. At least some of the locals will know enough to give you good advice. Really knowledgeable locals could also give advice about things to look out for, warning signs etc. In one of the most recent attacks, the area was well known as the local habitat of a large aggressive crocodile and the area was best avoided.
Human arrogance can be a risk factor. People tend to see themselves as the apex predator, not as prey. It is a hard way to learn that's not always the case.
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Don't dispute all these things. When people start talking about good oil etc. You don't know if you're also getting dud advice.
 
weststigers said:
I dont go there. Cut it with your silly exclamation marks.

Tuckers point is, you don't always know you are in danger and the extra numbers means they are creeping into places they weren't before.
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Well I think Tucker should err on the side of caution, stay clear of potential sources of danger and resist attributing certain human values to crocodiles.

They play an important role in the eco system in the regions they naturally inhabit.

I haven’t heard of crocs indulging in “thrill kills” and making “snuff movies.”

They are following their instincts and the more we know about their behaviours, predispositions and where they may be, the safer we will be.
 
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TSP said:
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Well I think Tucker should err on the side of caution, stay clear of potential sources of danger and resist attributing certain human values to crocodiles.

They play an important role in the eco system in the regions they naturally inhabit.

I haven’t heard of crocs indulging in “thrill kills” and making “snuff movies.”

They are following their instincts and the more we know about their behaviours, predispositions and where they may be, the safer we will be.
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Talk about a straw man argument. No one said anything about thrill kills. You can stop talking now. You sound silly.
 
weststigers said:
weststigers said:
What a douche comment. Why are you even involved in TSP's discussion with me again?
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A douche comment? You have a pathological, Trumpian inability to admit when you're wrong. There has been an average of 0.81 fatal croc attacks per year in Australia since 1970, not 2 as you claim. But either way it's bugger all and TSP's point stands that people's fear of croc attacks is disproportionate to the number of fatalities.

As for the homicide rate, I acknowledged that I was relying on our of date data. But it turns out you were also wrong. You claimed there were 406 homicides in Australia last year based on data from the ABS website but that figure also includes attempted murders: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release. The actual number of homicides would be closer to the 232 homicides recorded from July 2021 to July 2022 and 247 homicides from 2022-2023: https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sr/sr46. It pays to read the data.
 
TV Ted Ellery said:
A douche comment? You have a pathological, Trumpian inability to admit when you're wrong. There has been an average of 0.81 fatal croc attacks per year in Australia since 1970, not 2 as you claim. But either way it's bugger all and TSP's point stands that people's fear of croc attacks is disproportionate to the number of fatalities.

As for the homicide rate, I acknowledged that I was relying on our of date data. But it turns out you were also wrong. You claimed there were 406 homicides in Australia last year based on data from the ABS website but that figure also includes attempted murders: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release. The actual number of homicides would be closer to the 232 homicides recorded from July 2021 to July 2022 and 247 homicides from 2022-2023: https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sr/sr46. It pays to read the data.
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any stats on the favored recipe to cull the numbers Ted
 
NT_Tiger said:
In Disneyland the crocodiles are animatronic, so not a threat.
It is common sense to inform yourself with local knowledge if you intend to enter crocodile habitat. At least some of the locals will know enough to give you good advice. Really knowledgeable locals could also give advice about things to look out for, warning signs etc. In one of the most recent attacks, the area was well known as the local habitat of a large aggressive crocodile and the area was best avoided.
Human arrogance can be a risk factor. People tend to see themselves as the apex predator, not as prey. It is a hard way to learn that's not always the case.
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Yep, common sense and education which is drilled into the locals, along with plenty of signage in all the tourist areas, provide great mitigation, but they cannot beat arrogance. That said, accidents or simply loss of concentration can still occur, and sadly the results are often deadly.
 
TV Ted Ellery said:
A douche comment? You have a pathological, Trumpian inability to admit when you're wrong. There has been an average of 0.81 fatal croc attacks per year in Australia since 1970, not 2 as you claim. But either way it's bugger all and TSP's point stands that people's fear of croc attacks is disproportionate to the number of fatalities.

As for the homicide rate, I acknowledged that I was relying on our of date data. But it turns out you were also wrong. You claimed there were 406 homicides in Australia last year based on data from the ABS website but that figure also includes attempted murders: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release. The actual number of homicides would be closer to the 232 homicides recorded from July 2021 to July 2022 and 247 homicides from 2022-2023: https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sr/sr46. It pays to read the data.
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How many of those homicides take place in areas where croc attacks occurred?
 
TSP said:
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Well I think Tucker should err on the side of caution, stay clear of potential sources of danger and resist attributing certain human values to crocodiles.

They play an important role in the eco system in the regions they naturally inhabit.

I haven’t heard of crocs indulging in “thrill kills” and making “snuff movies.”

They are following their instincts and the more we know about their behaviours, predispositions and where they may be, the safer we will be.
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You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
Your opinion is city boy bullshit commenting how others should live in areas where you’d never go.
No one wants them eradicated. However there are far too many of them and their effect on the ecosystem is becoming negative. They even eat each other at times when the supply of things like turtles become exhausted.
 
TV Ted Ellery said:
A douche comment? You have a pathological, Trumpian inability to admit when you're wrong. There has been an average of 0.81 fatal croc attacks per year in Australia since 1970, not 2 as you claim. But either way it's bugger all and TSP's point stands that people's fear of croc attacks is disproportionate to the number of fatalities.

As for the homicide rate, I acknowledged that I was relying on our of date data. But it turns out you were also wrong. You claimed there were 406 homicides in Australia last year based on data from the ABS website but that figure also includes attempted murders: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release. The actual number of homicides would be closer to the 232 homicides recorded from July 2021 to July 2022 and 247 homicides from 2022-2023: https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sr/sr46. It pays to read the data.
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I dont want to get in a pissing contest with you but ABS says 2023 homicides are 409.

www.abs.gov.au

Recorded Crime - Victims, 2023

National statistics about victims of a range of personal, household and family and domestic violence offences as recorded by police.
www.abs.gov.au www.abs.gov.au

Pays to read the data I guess.

Btw...what's Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got to do with any of this? Is that how you see the world? Through American politics? Sad really.
 
Tucker said:
Speaking figuratively
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Yes of course it is figuratively. Everything is theoretical until it happens.
In my personal experience, of the three times I spoke of in my initial post, a firearm may have been useful in one. This is only so because, unusually, I was stalked on land and by luck alone I turned and saw the animal behind and above me on the bank before it rushed me. By sheer luck I was able to bluff it into not attacking, a gun would have probably improved my prospects.
In the other two a gun would have been no use.
 
Crocodiles are, often large, apex predators that occasionally prey on humans. Due to the natural human arrogance that people carry from being, most of the time, apex predators, and from ignorance about what the animals can actually do, they catastrophize whenever a human is attacked. Through irrational fear, they anthropomorphise the 'rogue' animal into some kind of monster.
For those with irrational and unnecessary fears of crocodiles you are wasting your energy. I survived living and working in some of the highest density crocodile habitat for 25 plus years. In the wet season, that included commuting daily to and from work in a ten foot tinny, in daylight and dark, through known crocodile habitat. I was always wary and didn't take unnecessary risks. If you intend to enter crocodile habitat, educate yourself.
 
NT_Tiger said:
Yes of course it is figuratively. Everything is theoretical until it happens.
In my personal experience, of the three times I spoke of in my initial post, a firearm may have been useful in one. This is only so because, unusually, I was stalked on land and by luck alone I turned and saw the animal behind and above me on the bank before it rushed me. By sheer luck I was able to bluff it into not attacking, a gun would have probably improved my prospects.
In the other two a gun would have been no use.
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I was speaking figuratively.
 
NT_Tiger said:
Crocodiles are, often large, apex predators that occasionally prey on humans. Due to the natural human arrogance that people carry from being, most of the time, apex predators, and from ignorance about what the animals can actually do, they catastrophize whenever a human is attacked. Through irrational fear, they anthropomorphise the 'rogue' animal into some kind of monster.
For those with irrational and unnecessary fears of crocodiles you are wasting your energy. I survived living and working in some of the highest density crocodile habitat for 25 plus years. In the wet season, that included commuting daily to and from work in a ten foot tinny, in daylight and dark, through known crocodile habitat. I was always wary and didn't take unnecessary risks. If you intend to enter crocodile habitat, educate yourself.
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I'm surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has but I guess it's because of the strange fascination most of us have for these animals.
 
NT_Tiger said:
Crocodiles are, often large, apex predators that occasionally prey on humans. Due to the natural human arrogance that people carry from being, most of the time, apex predators, and from ignorance about what the animals can actually do, they catastrophize whenever a human is attacked. Through irrational fear, they anthropomorphise the 'rogue' animal into some kind of monster.
For those with irrational and unnecessary fears of crocodiles you are wasting your energy. I survived living and working in some of the highest density crocodile habitat for 25 plus years. In the wet season, that included commuting daily to and from work in a ten foot tinny, in daylight and dark, through known crocodile habitat. I was always wary and didn't take unnecessary risks. If you intend to enter crocodile habitat, educate yourself.
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Hell of a job NT, you’ve been an interesting read in this thread.
 
coivtny said:
I'm surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has but I guess it's because of the strange fascination most of us have for these animals.
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They are one of the last/closest land animals we have left, yeah I reckon they spark interest.
I tell you what though Coiv, driving to work in a tinny sounds great until you add in the man eating dinosaurs. Do you reckon the M4 and M5 has me primed up for it?
 
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