Cronk - Roosters Official..

[Curly_Tiger]

This isn’t in any way official in terms of numbers but I’ve approached it from a common sense approach to see if the Roosters ups and downs make sense in light of the increase in the salary cap

Let’s start by assuming that the Roosters were in line with the cap in 2017\. If the 2017 Cap was $7.0m and lifts to $9.4m in 2018, everyone has an extra $2.4m to spend which allows for a lot. Those 2017 and 2018 Cap numbers are the key as $2.4m on $7m is a 34% increase. It’s unbelievably difficult to get the 2017 Cap number but maybe that helps create an information gap which allows for some confusion

Roosters have added Cronk and Tedesco, so conservatively +$2.2m, potentially more

Roosters have lost Carter (say only $150k), Evans ($250k), Guerra ($300k), Kenny-Dowall ($250k), Knight ($100k), Watson ($150k), so they save -$1.2m (I’ve guessed these salaries)

But they have to replace four of these (Cronk and Tedesco cover two) so let’s say $200k each +$0.8m

They have resigned the following x10 in the last twelve months: Mitch Cornish (2018), Blake Ferguson (2018), Michael Gordon (2018), Ryan Matterson (2019), Dylan Napa (2019), Mitchell Pearce (2019), Victor Radley (2019), Chris Smith (2018), Daniel Tupou (2021), Sitili Tupouniua (2019)
Unlikely they signed for less, Ferguson aside, so let’s say $50k extra each, some would be more, some less, so that’s an extra +$0.5m

Add all that together and it’s an increase of $2.3m and I reckon I’ve been kind to them but it does fit into the (maybe) cap increase of $2.4m. However, is it really possible that everyone other than the two new big earners are going to accept no increase in an environment where the Cap has increased by 34% (assuming 2017 $7m and 2018 $9.4m is correct). Managers aren’t going to let that happen

If we believe the numbers there are already so many good players under $290k at the Roosters: Matterson $200k Daniel Tupou $220k, Mitchell Aubusson $280k, Isaac Liu $200k, Zane Tetevano $120k, Sio Siua Taukeiaho $150k, Joseph Manu $150k, Nat Butcher $200k, Victor Radley $120k. Surely they’d all be looking for increases or if they resigned lately, surely they already got one which would further eat into the available $

Not sure I’ve solved anything but maybe it’s a start for others to add to

 

[NT_Tiger]

This isn’t in any way official in terms of numbers but I’ve approached it from a common sense approach to see if the Roosters ups and downs make sense in light of the increase in the salary cap

Let’s start by assuming that the Roosters were in line with the cap in 2017\. If the 2017 Cap was $7.0m and lifts to $9.4m in 2018, everyone has an extra $2.4m to spend which allows for a lot. Those 2017 and 2018 Cap numbers are the key as $2.4m on $7m is a 34% increase. It’s unbelievably difficult to get the 2017 Cap number but maybe that helps create an information gap which allows for some confusion

Roosters have added Cronk and Tedesco, so conservatively +$2.2m, potentially more

Roosters have lost Carter (say only $150k), Evans ($250k), Guerra ($300k), Kenny-Dowall ($250k), Knight ($100k), Watson ($150k), so they save -$1.2m (I’ve guessed these salaries)

But they have to replace four of these (Cronk and Tedesco cover two) so let’s say $200k each +$0.8m

They have resigned the following x10 in the last twelve months: Mitch Cornish (2018), Blake Ferguson (2018), Michael Gordon (2018), Ryan Matterson (2019), Dylan Napa (2019), Mitchell Pearce (2019), Victor Radley (2019), Chris Smith (2018), Daniel Tupou (2021), Sitili Tupouniua (2019)
Unlikely they signed for less, Ferguson aside, so let’s say $50k extra each, some would be more, some less, so that’s an extra +$0.5m

Add all that together and it’s an increase of $2.3m and I reckon I’ve been kind to them but it does fit into the (maybe) cap increase of $2.4m. However, is it really possible that everyone other than the two new big earners are going to accept no increase in an environment where the Cap has increased by 34% (assuming 2017 $7m and 2018 $9.4m is correct). Managers aren’t going to let that happen

**If we believe the numbers there are already so many good players under $290k at the Roosters:** Matterson $200k Daniel Tupou $220k, Mitchell Aubusson $280k, Isaac Liu $200k, Zane Tetevano $120k, Sio Siua Taukeiaho $150k, Joseph Manu $150k, Nat Butcher $200k, Victor Radley $120k. Surely they’d all be looking for increases or if they resigned lately, surely they already got one which would further eat into the available $

Not sure I’ve solved anything but maybe it’s a start for others to add to

What that really does is highlight the importance of TPA's to the Roosters recruitment. As others have said they may be within the cap, but…..

 

[newtiger]

It's a pity that the NRL won't allow Harry to pay some TPA's.
You think that HT could squeeze his sub contractors for some TPA's.

Is that just guesswork or do you know he's been restricted?

The board and management moved him to arms-length from the club so that he could contribute through TPAs.

I'm sure that I read somewhere that Greenberg refused Meriton permission for TPA's as their association was too close to the club.
I could be wrong, someone closer to the club might be able to confirm or deny this.

 

[newtiger]

Is that just guesswork or do you know he's been restricted?

The board and management moved him to arms-length from the club so that he could contribute through TPAs.

No, he left after Brydens came in as major sponsor. IIRC the final season he sponsored us he only did so as there was no one else available?

No man, it was a calculated move. Harry even hinted at it on his interview (think it was with 60 minutes)

Here's an exert

"I spoke with them, (West Tigers management)" said Triguboff, the founder and managing director of Meriton Apartments. "They wanted money to buy four good players and I told them I would help"
"Then we can win a comp. That is what I am interested in. They (management) came to see me about (Aaron) Woods, he is a nice person"
Asked how much the club was seeking, he said "I can't remember , $500,000, $600,000."

Harry's interview on 1 on 1 was on 07/07/2015
It's on YouTube

 

[jirskyr]

It's a pity that the NRL won't allow Harry to pay some TPA's.
You think that HT could squeeze his sub contractors for some TPA's.

Is that just guesswork or do you know he's been restricted?

The board and management moved him to arms-length from the club so that he could contribute through TPAs.

I'm sure that I read somewhere that Greenberg refused Meriton permission for TPA's as their association was too close to the club.
I could be wrong, someone closer to the club might be able to confirm or deny this.

So Harry T might be too close to the club, but all Nick Politis' high-profile mates like Bouris are at arm's length of course? Nevermind the fact that they are high profile and regular contributors to Bondi coffers.

I wonder if Harry T has kids who follow the Tigers, maybe they are distant enough. But he probably doesn't give them much cash, if his public persona is true.

 

[kiwitiger]

It's a pity that the NRL won't allow Harry to pay some TPA's.
You think that HT could squeeze his sub contractors for some TPA's.

Is that just guesswork or do you know he's been restricted?

The board and management moved him to arms-length from the club so that he could contribute through TPAs.

I'm sure that I read somewhere that Greenberg refused Meriton permission for TPA's as their association was too close to the club.
I could be wrong, someone closer to the club might be able to confirm or deny this.

So Harry T might be too close to the club, but all Nick Politis' high-profile mates like Bouris are at arm's length of course? Nevermind the fact that they are high profile and regular contributors to Bondi coffers.

I wonder if Harry T has kids who follow the Tigers, maybe they are distant enough. But he probably doesn't give them much cash, if his public persona is true.

Or else Nick does not go to the media saying how he/his mates are going to do TPAs, like above from Hammertime. Pulling out as major sponsor saying this is your new role is a little silly. Just do it, say nothing! Really all you are asking is to be made an example of…

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Good management my arse! There is a fine line between good management and subtle rorting and with the calibre of players the Roosters have stacked into their team for next season they have crossed that line, imo. It's there for all to see, but they will get away with it because of their high profile backers. God even Melbourne couldn't get away with that!

of course its good management… The NRL wouldnt of approved it if it wasnt legal.

Yeah right…they're probably getting kickbacks! :laughing:

The NRL admin doesn't need the Roosters money, they are getting plenty in their pockets from the tv rights deal.

The only person these buggers (NRL and Roosters) would be afraid of is the taxman.

Don't worry, the ATO is probably paid off also :laughing:

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Here would be an interesting exercise when details of Super Coach comes out for 2018 try and fit the Roosters Storm Broncos under the Super Coach salary cap there would be no way you could.Maybe the NRL could look at putting values on all players and at those values would have to fit the salary cap.Clubs could pay those who fit under the salary cap what ever they like it would provide a fairer spread of talent and stop the rorting thats happening now.Thoughts?

 

[Harvey]

New CBA sets minimum contracts as 120k. The Telegraph may want to revisit its article as surely even its readers can work out that you can't get 9 of those contracts for 750k

 

[underdog]

I rate Cronk highly and can't understand any rugby league fan calling him a myth.

Played in 7 grand finals for 4 wins. Played over 300 games and one of the reason QLD & Aust have dominated. Not an imortal but next level down

I would perfer him to retire or play part time for the Storm than for another club.

If he goes to chooks and Pearce leaves then the fallout will outweight his class.

Will miss watching the greatest spine in league history go around week in week out.

The "myth" thing is probably due to the fact that he was a playmaker in the biggest Grand Final slaughter in history…40-0\. His sinews weren't all in sync that day unfortunately.
He is a decent player, average in all aspects apart from his kicking game which is above average. No chance he would of gone to a struggling club where his flaws would of been exposed. Good luck to him.
You would think with Rushton on the other side of the bed he would have been content to hang up the boots and spend his days wandering his mansion in a dressing gown....Hef style.

1 bad game _**9 years ago**_ and he's a myth?

That's bloody harsh.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I rate Cronk highly and can't understand any rugby league fan calling him a myth.

Played in 7 grand finals for 4 wins. Played over 300 games and one of the reason QLD & Aust have dominated. Not an imortal but next level down

I would perfer him to retire or play part time for the Storm than for another club.

If he goes to chooks and Pearce leaves then the fallout will outweight his class.

Will miss watching the greatest spine in league history go around week in week out.

The "myth" thing is probably due to the fact that he was a playmaker in the biggest Grand Final slaughter in history…40-0\. His sinews weren't all in sync that day unfortunately.
He is a decent player, average in all aspects apart from his kicking game which is above average. No chance he would of gone to a struggling club where his flaws would of been exposed. Good luck to him.
You would think with Rushton on the other side of the bed he would have been content to hang up the boots and spend his days wandering his mansion in a dressing gown....Hef style.

1 bad game _**9 years ago**_ and he's a myth?

That's bloody harsh.

The only series QLD have lost in over a decade was the one when he went off early in game 1 and missed game 2\. Guess that was a coincidence.

 

[Yossarian]

Heard a rumour that Des will be his coach. That would be very cruel to Trent Robinson if true.

 

[851]

Heard a rumour that Des will be his coach. That would be very cruel to Trent Robinson if true.

Interesting, after watching Robinson pick his side for the prelim, he probably deserves the sack, it was a Sheens cross JT disaster that was never gonna work.

 

[Curaeus]

No idea whether the Roosters are cheating the cap or not but just imagine the proverbial hitting the fan big time if they start dropping a few games. Old Nick will not be pleased! If for some reason they don't actually win the comp, Robinson will need to start thinking about his next job!

 

[tig_prmz]

This isn’t in any way official in terms of numbers but I’ve approached it from a common sense approach to see if the Roosters ups and downs make sense in light of the increase in the salary cap

Let’s start by assuming that the Roosters were in line with the cap in 2017\. If the 2017 Cap was $7.0m and lifts to $9.4m in 2018, everyone has an extra $2.4m to spend which allows for a lot. Those 2017 and 2018 Cap numbers are the key as $2.4m on $7m is a 34% increase. It’s unbelievably difficult to get the 2017 Cap number but maybe that helps create an information gap which allows for some confusion

Roosters have added Cronk and Tedesco, so conservatively +$2.2m, potentially more

Roosters have lost Carter (say only $150k), Evans ($250k), Guerra ($300k), Kenny-Dowall ($250k), Knight ($100k), Watson ($150k), so they save -$1.2m (I’ve guessed these salaries)

But they have to replace four of these (Cronk and Tedesco cover two) so let’s say $200k each +$0.8m

They have resigned the following x10 in the last twelve months: Mitch Cornish (2018), Blake Ferguson (2018), Michael Gordon (2018), Ryan Matterson (2019), Dylan Napa (2019), Mitchell Pearce (2019), Victor Radley (2019), Chris Smith (2018), Daniel Tupou (2021), Sitili Tupouniua (2019)
Unlikely they signed for less, Ferguson aside, so let’s say $50k extra each, some would be more, some less, so that’s an extra +$0.5m

Add all that together and it’s an increase of $2.3m and I reckon I’ve been kind to them but it does fit into the (maybe) cap increase of $2.4m. However, is it really possible that everyone other than the two new big earners are going to accept no increase in an environment where the Cap has increased by 34% (assuming 2017 $7m and 2018 $9.4m is correct). Managers aren’t going to let that happen

If we believe the numbers there are already so many good players under $290k at the Roosters: Matterson $200k Daniel Tupou $220k, Mitchell Aubusson $280k, Isaac Liu $200k, Zane Tetevano $120k, Sio Siua Taukeiaho $150k, Joseph Manu $150k, Nat Butcher $200k, Victor Radley $120k. Surely they’d all be looking for increases or if they resigned lately, surely they already got one which would further eat into the available $

Not sure I’ve solved anything but maybe it’s a start for others to add to

i didnt follow what you said properly but did you take in to consideration that $7M was for 25 players and $9.4 is for 30?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I rate Cronk highly and can't understand any rugby league fan calling him a myth.

Played in 7 grand finals for 4 wins. Played over 300 games and one of the reason QLD & Aust have dominated. Not an imortal but next level down

I would perfer him to retire or play part time for the Storm than for another club.

If he goes to chooks and Pearce leaves then the fallout will outweight his class.

Will miss watching the greatest spine in league history go around week in week out.

The "myth" thing is probably due to the fact that he was a playmaker in the biggest Grand Final slaughter in history…40-0\. His sinews weren't all in sync that day unfortunately.
He is a decent player, average in all aspects apart from his kicking game which is above average. No chance he would of gone to a struggling club where his flaws would of been exposed. Good luck to him.
You would think with Rushton on the other side of the bed he would have been content to hang up the boots and spend his days wandering his mansion in a dressing gown....Hef style.

1 bad game _**9 years ago**_ and he's a myth?

That's bloody harsh.

I didn't realize that was the only bad game he has ever had. Biggest stage, biggest GF defeat in professional RL history in this country and he was the go-to man that day.
He is a decent player but not quite the inventor of the game as he is made out to be.
Hope he plays for plenty more years…...anything to keep him out of the media is a godsend.

 

[dazza65]

Plus they are adding the Plane if Pearce and Nikorima go….

 

[colmcd]

I rate Cronk highly and can't understand any rugby league fan calling him a myth.

Played in 7 grand finals for 4 wins. Played over 300 games and one of the reason QLD & Aust have dominated. Not an imortal but next level down

I would perfer him to retire or play part time for the Storm than for another club.

If he goes to chooks and Pearce leaves then the fallout will outweight his class.

Will miss watching the greatest spine in league history go around week in week out.

The "myth" thing is probably due to the fact that he was a playmaker in the biggest Grand Final slaughter in history…40-0\. His sinews weren't all in sync that day unfortunately.
He is a decent player, average in all aspects apart from his kicking game which is above average. No chance he would of gone to a struggling club where his flaws would of been exposed. Good luck to him.
You would think with Rushton on the other side of the bed he would have been content to hang up the boots and spend his days wandering his mansion in a dressing gown....Hef style.

1 bad game _**9 years ago**_ and he's a myth?

That's bloody harsh.

I didn't realize that was the only bad game he has ever had. Biggest stage, biggest GF defeat in professional RL history in this country and he was the go-to man that day.
He is a decent player but not quite the inventor of the game as he is made out to be.
Hope he plays for plenty more years…...anything to keep him out of the media is a godsend.

So the Melbourne Storm make that final without Cameron Smith, their captain. Without Adam Blair (from memory that's the year where Glenn faught him and 4 manly guys back Glenn up but only Adam got 3 weeks while Glenn got 2) a lead forward. So we blame the Halfback and not the entire team for collapse. Take Prince and LaFranchi out of our 2005 squad and the Cowboys win by a similar margin. Take Lockyer and Webcke out of the Broncos and same thing happens.

 

[earl]

No idea whether the Roosters are cheating the cap or not but just imagine the proverbial hitting the fan big time if they start dropping a few games. Old Nick will not be pleased! If for some reason they don't actually win the comp, Robinson will need to start thinking about his next job!

This will be interesting won't it. If they don't win the comp in the next couple of years it's going to be a disaster.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

No idea whether the Roosters are cheating the cap or not but just imagine the proverbial hitting the fan big time if they start dropping a few games. Old Nick will not be pleased! If for some reason they don't actually win the comp, Robinson will need to start thinking about his next job!

This will be interesting won't it. If they don't win the comp in the next couple of years it's going to be a disaster.

We can only hope. Would be justice if they didn't imo, and a prime example that greed doesn't pay.