Curtis Sironen released [Official p.40]

[Nelson]

I reckon you are picking at straws here. They are both great teams. They are the best 2 squads in the game. The point is that the difference isn't so huge that we don't stand a chance. Blair played for us - was he that good ? Robbie gets criminally underrated on here and I don't even like him that much. He is though one of the top hookers in the game over the last 5-10 years. Woods is great. Tedesco is special. Those squads still have a bunch of average players as well.

I think a bunch of people are now using our squad as an excuse for Taylor's performances. Yes we need to purchase or develop some players but we have a big issue with our coach.

I'm really not picking at straws, I didn't even mention Josh McGuire who got picked for Australia last run out. There is a big difference between those two squads brimming with rep players, or guys on the fringe of rep football, and our squad that has Teddy, Farah and Woods and then nobody else knocking on the door for genuine rep selection.

Farah has been one of the best hookers over the last decade in the game no doubt, but right now he's not performing at the top level. Look at what guys like Smith, Friend, Granville and Hodgson are delivering and it's clear he's just not in the top echelon anymore, not consistently. Even Ennis has overtaken him since his switch to Cronulla.

They have some average players yes, but they have a mix of average first graders and top shelf talent. We have a bit of top shelf talent, some average first graders and some guys who have yet to show that they deserve the title of average first grader.

With better coaching we have enough potential that we should be competitive against most teams, but short of jagging a win we can't really compete with the squads the Broncos and Cows have got.

 

[stevetiger]

With better coaching we have enough potential that we should be competitive against most teams

This is my point. We aren't that far off. The coaching staff aren't getting enough out of our team.

 

[tigerap]

With better coaching we have enough potential that we should be competitive against most teams

This is my point. We aren't that far off. The coaching staff aren't getting enough out of our team.

Sheens failed, Potter failed and now JT has failed….when it the team going to be accountable...?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

With better coaching we have enough potential that we should be competitive against most teams

This is my point. We aren't that far off. The coaching staff aren't getting enough out of our team.

Sheens failed, Potter failed and now JT has failed….when it the team going to be accountable...?

And Pearce, and Lamb. Why will the next one to come along not fail as well?

 

[tigermac88]

With better coaching we have enough potential that we should be competitive against most teams

This is my point. We aren't that far off. The coaching staff aren't getting enough out of our team.

Sheens failed, Potter failed and now JT has failed….when it the team going to be accountable...?

And Pearce, and Lamb. Why will the next one to come along not fail as well?

The next one will fail too if he is like JT and has crap 1 dimensional game plans and rubbish team selections where the same guys get picked every week regardless of performance… Come on GNR you've been constantly telling us how crap Sirro is and how crap his performances are yet JT selects him week after week. Would you call that a competent decision to select Sironen every week?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This is my point. We aren't that far off. The coaching staff aren't getting enough out of our team.

Sheens failed, Potter failed and now JT has failed….when it the team going to be accountable...?

And Pearce, and Lamb. Why will the next one to come along not fail as well?

The next one will fail too if he is like JT and has crap 1 dimensional game plans and rubbish team selections where the same guys get picked every week regardless of performance… Come on GNR you've been constantly telling us how crap Sirro is and how crap his performances are yet JT selects him week after week. Would you call that a competent decision to select Sironen every week?

If the reports are true that Siro is out of favour then JT deserves props for finally pulling the trigger. I just hope the halves are next. Could be a sign that accountability is starting to rear its head.

 

[tigermac88]

Sheens failed, Potter failed and now JT has failed….when it the team going to be accountable...?

And Pearce, and Lamb. Why will the next one to come along not fail as well?

The next one will fail too if he is like JT and has crap 1 dimensional game plans and rubbish team selections where the same guys get picked every week regardless of performance… Come on GNR you've been constantly telling us how crap Sirro is and how crap his performances are yet JT selects him week after week. Would you call that a competent decision to select Sironen every week?

If the reports are true that Siro is out of favour then JT deserves props for finally pulling the trigger. I just hope the halves are next. Could be a sign that accountability is starting to rear its head.

And that would be the first step to JT gaining a little bit of my confidence.. Holding players accountable and a little bit more creativity in his game plans is all I've been asking to see from him.

 

[Tuiaki_Chicken_Wings]

I appreciate the time you have put into this list Happy but any measure is irrelevant unless we have a competent coach overseeing the players and their development.

Yes anything that isn't pure hatred and 100% blame towards JT is irrelevant. You're so zealous in your agenda against the bloke you can't even acknowledge that we have problems outside of him.

Yes, he's been a failure as a coach and it's time for him to go now that he's been given ample chance, but it's not going to be a magical fix when it happens.

Shows you the lack of common sense Paws has , he tries to compare coaches when they are basically on different playing fields playing talent wise

**Taylor could coach the side they way he wanted to if he had the playing roster that the Broncos , Cowboys Roosters Dogs have**

But when he did try and coach the side that way he had every Taylor hater get stuck into him say why did you do that

This is true in a sense. All four of these teams have the size and big men to handle what Taylor essentially is trying to do with this team. Fact of the matter is, he is trying to play a game plan that does not suit our small team who cannot match it with the size of the opposition forwards. The other thing that stands out too me is our defensive structure. We play an up and in style of defence, which is shambolic majority of the time, you don't see these teams doing this. Taylor really isn't coaching to the strengths of our squad. Yes we have a thread bare squad with lots of potential that really isn't being seen. Playing this one out crap with a small pack isn't going to get us far as seen by the first 10 weeks. That and our one and seemingly only spread play with Teddy wrapping around the back of the second rower which teams are basically picking off now. If you watched the Cowboys and Broncos game, watching the attack from the Cowboys in the second half is really how we need to be doing it, players moving and having numerous set plays not constantly going to teddy out the back

 

[tigermac88]

I appreciate the time you have put into this list Happy but any measure is irrelevant unless we have a competent coach overseeing the players and their development.

Yes anything that isn't pure hatred and 100% blame towards JT is irrelevant. You're so zealous in your agenda against the bloke you can't even acknowledge that we have problems outside of him.

Yes, he's been a failure as a coach and it's time for him to go now that he's been given ample chance, but it's not going to be a magical fix when it happens.

Shows you the lack of common sense Paws has , he tries to compare coaches when they are basically on different playing fields playing talent wise

**Taylor could coach the side they way he wanted to if he had the playing roster that the Broncos , Cowboys Roosters Dogs have**

But when he did try and coach the side that way he had every Taylor hater get stuck into him say why did you do that

This is true in a sense. All four of these teams have the size and big men to handle what Taylor essentially is trying to do with this team. Fact of the matter is, he is trying to play a game plan that does not suit our small team who cannot match it with the size of the opposition forwards. The other thing that stands out too me is our defensive structure. We play an up and in style of defence, which is shambolic majority of the time, you don't see these teams doing this. Taylor really isn't coaching to the strengths of our squad. Yes we have a thread bare squad with lots of potential that really isn't being seen. Playing this one out crap with a small pack isn't going to get us far as seen by the first 10 weeks. That and our one and seemingly only spread play with Teddy wrapping around the back of the second rower which teams are basically picking off now. If you watched the Cowboys and Broncos game, watching the attack from the Cowboys in the second half is really how we need to be doing it, players moving and having numerous set plays not constantly going to teddy out the back

That's our 1 dimensional game plan I'm talking about, a little bit of creativity and we wouldn't get picked off so easy. Teams know our one big play we use every time and they not what's coming every time.

 

[Tigerdave]

It's a combination of poor team and poor coaching, needs to be changes to both, not just one or the other.

 

[stevetiger]

With better coaching we have enough potential that we should be competitive against most teams

This is my point. We aren't that far off. The coaching staff aren't getting enough out of our team.

Sheens failed, Potter failed and now JT has failed….when it the team going to be accountable...?

And Pearce, and Lamb. Why will the next one to come along not fail as well?

This argument starts to fall apart here again. We had success with Sheens. We had a grand final and we had some decent seasons.

We have also had a lot of player turnover in that time period.

The JT supporters argument is that we are a club that has to lose all the time just because and therefore it's cool that JT has been terrible. I don't accept that. I also think it's an illogical argument.

 

[stevetiger]

Taylor really isn't coaching to the strengths of our squad. Yes we have a thread bare squad with lots of potential that really isn't being seen. Playing this one out crap with a small pack isn't going to get us far as seen by the first 10 weeks. That and our one and seemingly only spread play with Teddy wrapping around the back of the second rower which teams are basically picking off now. If you watched the Cowboys and Broncos game, watching the attack from the Cowboys in the second half is really how we need to be doing it, players moving and having numerous set plays not constantly going to teddy out the back

I don't feel Taylor's team selections are that bad. This is where I think he fails. We look poorly coached.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

I appreciate the time you have put into this list Happy but any measure is irrelevant unless we have a competent coach overseeing the players and their development.

Yes anything that isn't pure hatred and 100% blame towards JT is irrelevant. You're so zealous in your agenda against the bloke you can't even acknowledge that we have problems outside of him.

Yes, he's been a failure as a coach and it's time for him to go now that he's been given ample chance, but it's not going to be a magical fix when it happens.

Shows you the lack of common sense Paws has , he tries to compare coaches when they are basically on different playing fields playing talent wise

Taylor could coach the side they way he wanted to if he had the playing roster that the Broncos , Cowboys Roosters Dogs have

But when he did try and coach the side that way he had every Taylor hater get stuck into him say why did you do that

Where did I try to compare coaches in my answer? I did suggest Taylor as a coach is not competent. Do you believe this is just results based? You may want to look at other indicators such as success in the development of our youngsters, the weighing up of the strengths and weaknesses of individual players to assist in devising a game plan suitable for the team, flexibility to be able to recognise that the game plan or fundamental coaching philosophy is not working and change is needed. But most importantly, the importance of excellent communication skills and the ability to articulate game plans and also motivate players.

 

[1_4_chicken_chips]

Lovett isn't as bad as some make out in here …we all seen his game lift when he played in a stronger side ..playing him in the centres when an injury comes is bad coaching because he hasn't got the speed of a centre ...milone well you won't get an argument from me ...shouldn't be anywhere near an nrl squad

 

[happy_tiger]

I appreciate the time you have put into this list Happy but any measure is irrelevant unless we have a competent coach overseeing the players and their development.

Yes anything that isn't pure hatred and 100% blame towards JT is irrelevant. You're so zealous in your agenda against the bloke you can't even acknowledge that we have problems outside of him.

Yes, he's been a failure as a coach and it's time for him to go now that he's been given ample chance, but it's not going to be a magical fix when it happens.

Shows you the lack of common sense Paws has , he tries to compare coaches when they are basically on different playing fields playing talent wise

Taylor could coach the side they way he wanted to if he had the playing roster that the Broncos , Cowboys Roosters Dogs have

But when he did try and coach the side that way he had every Taylor hater get stuck into him say why did you do that

Where did I try to compare coaches in my answer? I did suggest Taylor as a coach is not competent. Do you believe this is just results based? You may want to look at other indicators such as success in the development of our youngsters, the weighing up of the strengths and weaknesses of individual players to assist in devising a game plan suitable for the team, flexibility to be able to recognise that the game plan or fundamental coaching philosophy is not working and change is needed. But most importantly, the importance of excellent communication skills and the ability to articulate game plans and also motivate players.

Well you did Paws , I brought up that Taylor would be able to implement the plans he wanted with the Broncos ,Roosters ,Cowboys etc

What many of you don't understand is you need to find out where your team is at all the time if it isn't where it should be

I've trained staff for over 25 years and eventually you need to cut them away from their trainers and see what they can achieve by themselves

If they fail you readjust their plan and try again later

If they keep failing you look at other options

Some of Taylor's "game plans" that many Taylor haters have criticized is testing where people are at , he has only been in the job for 18 months and he is probably at the stage where he knows who are keepers and who aren't

But he has to test his players and see what they can achieve , some actually surprise , like Aloiai and Felise

Again I'm not a Taylor lover , but he deserves the chance to implement his changes fully and see what happens , same way as many would remember I wanted Potter to stay , as he never got a fair go in my opinion

 

[Nelson]

Well you did Paws , I brought up that Taylor would be able to implement the plans he wanted with the Broncos ,Roosters ,Cowboys etc

What many of you don't understand is you need to find out where your team is at all the time if it isn't where it should be

I've trained staff for over 25 years and eventually you need to cut them away from their trainers and see what they can achieve by themselves

If they fail you readjust their plan and try again later

If they keep failing you look at other options

Some of Taylor's "game plans" that many Taylor haters have criticized is testing where people are at , he has only been in the job for 18 months and he is probably at the stage where he knows who are keepers and who aren't

But he has to test his players and see what they can achieve , some actually surprise , like Aloiai and Felise

Again I'm not a Taylor lover , but he deserves the chance to implement his changes fully and see what happens , same way as many would remember I wanted Potter to stay , as he never got a fair go in my opinion

Much of that is true generally, but that would not have been his pitch when he got the job. He would not have been saying that in 18 months time our defense would remain extremely problematic and our halves would not have developed in either facet of the game. He would not have been saying that he needed 3 years to sort out who should or should not be in first grade and what style the team needed to adopt.

His main selling points that were announced when he was signed were: his ability to work with the young halves we'd invested so heavily in; and his ability as a tactician. We knew he had the personality of the scarecrow he resembles, so it's no great surprise that he's struggled as a communicator and has struggled to inspire. So no surprise there and we shouldn't complain too much about that, but it has been a surprise (to me anyway) that his supposed strengths haven't seemed to come through at all. We're not seeing incisive attack strategies and we're seemingly not doing much at all to resolve the obvious deficiencies in defence. The halves have regressed. That's why he's lost me.

He deserved to be given a shot this season - it would have been premature and reflected badly on the club to sack him after a single season when he hadn't been given the chance to sort out some roster changes etc. I think it's reached the point now though where the club is entitled to move him on for a lack of results and it shouldn't cause other potential coaches to balk at the prospect of coming here.

 

[stevetiger]

His main selling points that were announced when he was signed were: his ability to work with the young halves we'd invested so heavily in; and his ability as a tactician.
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that his supposed strengths haven't seemed to come through at all. We're not seeing incisive attack strategies and we're seemingly not doing much at all to resolve the obvious deficiencies in defence. The halves have regressed. That's why he's lost me.

Exactly. He supposedly was going to fix defence with his structures and then work on our offence. The reality is that we've played a lot of poor quality footy from an attacking point of view and our defence has if anything gotten worse.

 

[Geo]

Since this has become the Squad comparison thread…Just curious How many of the Warriors 17 would walk into other NRL teams...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Since this has become the Squad comparison thread…Just curious How many of the Warriors 17 would walk into other NRL teams...

At least half the team.

 

[Nelson]

Since this has become the Squad comparison thread…Just curious How many of the Warriors 17 would walk into other NRL teams...

RTS
Lolohea
Johnson

Lillyman
Luke
Matulino
Thompson
Hoffman
Mannering

…their whole starting forward pack is pretty good. Their back line is pretty dreadful.