Daniel Tupou [Discussion]

@Bones said:
I think the reason the NRL allows TPA's is they cant police it anyway.

How can the NRL go to company X and say "we think you are paying a player an illegal TPA and we'd like to see your books"?

They would rightly be told to jam it, they aren't the ATO.

But if it wasn't allowed, what would be the benefit of a company in sponsoring a player?

Plus the player would have a contract that would allow the NRL to investigate where the player gets his money from anyway, and if 3rd parties weren't legal, they should be only getting their pay from one place.

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@Gray said:
@Bones said:
I think the reason the NRL allows TPA's is they cant police it anyway.

How can the NRL go to company X and say "we think you are paying a player an illegal TPA and we'd like to see your books"?

They would rightly be told to jam it, they aren't the ATO.

But if it wasn't allowed, what would be the benefit of a company in sponsoring a player?

Plus the player would have a contract that would allow the NRL to investigate where the player gets his money from anyway, and if 3rd parties weren't legal, they should be only getting their pay from one place.

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I could be wrong but I dont think a player is allowed to do promotions for a company that pays undeclared TPA's.

Also the NRL doesn't have the right to look at players financial details. The only way they could check is to check each players tax declaration to check income and again I don't think they can.
 
@Bones said:
@Gray said:
@Bones said:
I think the reason the NRL allows TPA's is they cant police it anyway.

How can the NRL go to company X and say "we think you are paying a player an illegal TPA and we'd like to see your books"?

They would rightly be told to jam it, they aren't the ATO.

But if it wasn't allowed, what would be the benefit of a company in sponsoring a player?

Plus the player would have a contract that would allow the NRL to investigate where the player gets his money from anyway, and if 3rd parties weren't legal, they should be only getting their pay from one place.

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I could be wrong but I dont think a player is allowed to do promotions for a company that pays undeclared TPA's.

Also the NRL doesn't have the right to look at players financial details. The only way they could check is to check each players tax declaration to check income and again I don't think they can.

That's what I thought also until recently

As long as he doesn't promote the NRL or his club he is fine

Billy Slater and his Bananas Australia ads are a good example of this
 
@happy tiger said:
@Bones said:
@Gray said:
@Bones said:
I think the reason the NRL allows TPA's is they cant police it anyway.

How can the NRL go to company X and say "we think you are paying a player an illegal TPA and we'd like to see your books"?

They would rightly be told to jam it, they aren't the ATO.

But if it wasn't allowed, what would be the benefit of a company in sponsoring a player?

Plus the player would have a contract that would allow the NRL to investigate where the player gets his money from anyway, and if 3rd parties weren't legal, they should be only getting their pay from one place.

_Posted using RoarFEED V.4_

I could be wrong but I dont think a player is allowed to do promotions for a company that pays undeclared TPA's.

Also the NRL doesn't have the right to look at players financial details. The only way they could check is to check each players tax declaration to check income and again I don't think they can.

That's what I thought also until recently

As long as he doesn't promote the NRL or his club he is fine

Billy Slater and his Bananas Australia ads are a good example of this

Haha. You must have seen this too Happy.

Third Party Agreements
Third party agreements are payments made by companies directly to players. There is no restriction on the amount a player can earn through third party agreements where he is being paid for his own intellectual property, without the need to employ club logos or names and where the company involved is neither a club sponsor nor are they acting on behalf of a club to secure the player’s services. An example of this is a player promoting a brand or product, for example, Billy Slater and Australian Bananas.
Many players do have third party agreements that are outside the salary cap. Individual players have registered third party agreements totalling in excess of $7.5 million in 2011.
All third party agreements must be registered and approved beforehand. This is to ensure that they do not become a way for clubs or players to use sponsors or third parties to undermine the salary cap. There are provisions for club sponsors to enter into agreements with elite players and for details see the Marquee Player Allowance section.
 
Roosters v Wests Tigers: Tupou returns, Benji takes captaincy
NRL.com Timestamp Tue 29 May 2018, 09:01 AM

The Roosters stumbled their way through the first half last week against the Titans before catching fire in the second half with 28 unanswered points for a 34-14 victory.

But despite their dominance after the break, it still left a feeling that the Chooks have a difficult task on their hands to catch the likes of Penrith, the Dragons, Souths and Cronulla.

They were upset 10-8 by the Tigers in the season-opener and might find this round 13 meeting even harder given that they have Boyd Cordner, Dylan Napa, Latrell Mitchell and James Tedesco all on Origin duty.

The Tigers showed once again that they are capable of finishing in the top eight with last week's gritty come-from-behind win over the Bulldogs. They will basically be at full strength with no players on Origin duty and will be relishing the chance to complete a 2-0 regular season sweep of the Chooks.

Plenty is at stake, with both teams heading into the round 13 clash with identical 7-5 records.

Key match-up: With his team short of Origin stars, classy playmaker Cooper Cronk has to deliver his best performance of the season for the Roosters. He has a tough battle on his hands against Luke Brooks, while the clash between Luke Keary and Benji Marshall should also be a ripper. The kicking games of both teams will be crucial and Cronk could be the difference.

For the Roosters to win: Ambushed by a defensive-minded Tigers in a surprise round one loss, the Roosters won't be caught off guard this time. But last week's clash with the Titans showed the Chooks occasionally struggle with slow starts. They have to hold their own against a strong Wests pack and allow Keary and Cronk time to create scoring chances.

For the Tigers to win: There's no reason why coach Ivan Cleary shouldn't follow the same blueprint that he used to upstage the Roosters in their previous meeting. But it can't just be all about defence. The Tigers need to find the confidence in attack that was apparent in earlier big wins over Manly and Parra.

Roosters stat attack: The Roosters have won their past nine games against the Tigers at Allianz Stadium. Forward Isaac Liu is in a rare purple patch in terms of try-scoring, collecting a four-pointer in each of his past four games.

Tigers stat attack: Utility Elijah Taylor chalks up his 150th NRL game on Sunday. The Tigers haven't tasted victory at Allianz Stadium in six years.

And another thing: This game will obviously be a good test for both teams, but it's the Roosters that have the chance to make the loudest statement. They are one of four teams with a 7-5 record and might find it difficult without four Origin reps. On the other hand, if they take care of the Tigers in what would be a minor upset, it could be just what the Roosters need to trigger a strong run over the second half of the season.

Sydney Roosters v Wests Tigers, Sunday 4pm at Allianz Stadium

Roosters: 1 Blake Ferguson, 2 Joseph Manu, 3 Matthew Ikuvalu, 4 Joseph Manu, 5 Daniel Tupou, 6 Luke Keary, 7 Cooper Cronk, 8 Jared Waerea-Hargreaves, 9 Jake Friend ©, 10 Siosiua Taukeiaho, 11 Victor Radley, 12 Ryan Matterson, 13 Isaac Liu

Interchange: 15 Zane Tetevano, 16 Frank-Paul Nuuausala, 17 Kurt Baptiste, 17 Nat Butcher
Reserves: 18 Poasa Faamausili, 19 Lindsay Collins, 20 Mitchell Cornish, 21 Paul Momirovski

With James Tedesco, Latrell Mitchell, Boyd Cordner and Dylan Napa all on Origin duty, Blake Ferguson moves to fullback and Joey Manu shifts in to centre with a new wing pairing of Daniel Tupou (returning from a long-term pec injury) and debutant Matthew Ikuvalu. Jared Waerea Hargreaves starts at prop and Victor Radley in the second row alongside the returning Ryan Matterson, with Isaac Liu at lock and Frank-Paul Nuuausala recalled on the bench.

Wests Tigers: 1 Tuimoala Lolohea, 2 David Nofoaluma, 3 Esan Marsters, 4 Mahe Fonua, 5 Corey Thompson, 6 Benji Marshall (c), 7 Luke Brooks, 8 Russell Packer, 9 Elijah Taylor, 10 Ben Matulino, 11 Chris Lawrence, 12 Michael Chee-Kam, 13 Matthew Eisenhuth

Interchange: 14 Alex Twal, 15 Josh Reynolds, 16 Josh Aloai, 17 Tim Grant
Reserves: 18 Sauaso Sue, 19 Chris McQueen, 20 Pita Godinet, 21 Kevin Naiqama

The Tigers are unaffected by Origin and have just one change, with hooker Jacob Liddle out. Elijah Taylor moves to dummy half with Matt Eisenhuth starting at lock and Tim Grant joining the bench.

Head-to-head: Played 31; Roosters 22 wins, West Tigers 9 wins
Matches at venue: Played 16; Roosters 13 wins, Wests Tigers 3 wins
2017 results: Roosters won 40-18 at Campbelltown Stadium in round 14; Roosters won 22-18 at Allianz Stadium in round 24
Points per game: Roosters 20.7; Wests Tigers 15.7
Points conceded per game: Roosters 15.2; Wests Tigers 14.8
Televised: Live on Nine, Fox League

Steve Turner's prediction: The Roosters' second half was impressive last week, but it's about the 80-minute performance that Trent Robinson will be focusing on this weekend against the Wests Tigers. They will be without a number of stars due to origin commitments, but still have Luke Keary and Cooper Cronk on board. The Tigers clawed their way to a win on the weekend, but they have struggled to find consistency in 2018\. It's an important game for both who sit at the bottom of the top eight on the same points.

Tip: Roosters by 8
 
Benji is yet to win a game as Captain ..time to break the duck Benj..luckily for you the undefeated Lolohea is in the team..
 
MWZ or Noffa would have scored it?

I'm not bagging Thomson in the slightest…he's been great for us and his finishing has been spot on. Should be picked every week on current form.

BUT...do you think his size comes with the disadvantage that in those moments, he's going to get man-handled a bit where if we had a bigger winger, they would have scored?

Personally, I thought Noffa would have scored that one. Thoughts?
 
Would of, should of, could of. All I know is we were jumping up and down celebrating and how sad it was crashing back down to earth.
 
I think his height is an advantage in those situations. He had the chance to get the ball down, was a great tackle that prevented it.
 
@ said:
I think his height is an advantage in those situations. He had the chance to get the ball down, was a great tackle that prevented it.

This. So often he's ducking low and getting over the line.
 
Nah.

He scored it in round one and missed it this time. It is what it is.

Tough loss but we have to get over it. We had ample opportunities to score in the first half.
 
Wasn't really talking about height here…more strength and weight.

Anyway...the tackle was good, but Thommo was an inch away from scoring...I reckon a heavier, stronger winger would have got that one.
 
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