David Nofoaluma #164

[Geo]

How is it diabolical retention when both Papenhauzen and Addo-Carr were offered contracts by Wests Tigers at the time and both players by their own choice chose to sign elsewhere...Koroibete also only played 2 years at the Storm and then left them seeking fame and a fortune in another code

When we are now complaining that we shouldn't retain players who want to look elsewhere..

 

[Telltails]

Part of any successful system is in the ability to retain and recruit. I think it's reasonable to be critical of any club that has problems in this area..You can't improve if you are defensive about the mistakes/ weaknesses you have identified in past. They need to be addressed.
In saying that I think some of the systems that are being implemented at the moment - led by the much maligned Pascoe - are positive for the future growth of the club and demonstrate some reflection about key areas that will see the club grow and develop.

 

[Russell]

Noffo at $685k is sheer salary cap suicide. $450k is generous. $375 is fair value for money imo. I hate how our "club legends" drag negotiations through the media.

I hate how we treat club legends like dirt.

375k - I think you are kidding.

You've had a great year Noffo, so as a reward we are asking you to take a 75k pay cut. Meanwhile we will pay a guy with maybe 2 NRL games under his belt 350k.

You are entitled to your opinion like all of us Rusty but.....

 

[gallagher]

Part of any successful system is in the ability to retain and recruit. I think it's reasonable to be critical of any club that has problems in this area..You can't improve if you are defensive about the mistakes/ weaknesses you have identified in past. They need to be addressed.
In saying that I think some of the systems that are being implemented at the moment - led by the much maligned Pascoe - are positive for the future growth of the club and demonstrate some reflection about key areas that will see the club grow and develop.

I'll give pascoe that, he has identified our weaknesses in the football dept and added staff/created positions. They look like quality appointments.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

How is it diabolical retention when both Papenhauzen and Addo-Carr were offered contracts by Wests Tigers at the time and both players by their own choice chose to sign elsewhere...Koroibete also only played 2 years at the Storm and then left them seeking fame and a fortune in another code

When we are now complaining that we shouldn't retain players who want to look elsewhere..

There is a pattern - the Storm new how important it was for their brand to recruit them.X factor players who turn games.

 

[Russell]

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/30448172/burned-wests-tigers-hold-fire-nrl-market
Tigers "Confident" in signing Nofo. Not keen on Mansour. Could be a smoke screen. Like to think its true

That inference with Paps annoys me, they always fail to mention that he was behind Teddy at the time, in hindsight, if they knew what Teddy was going to do, they would have kept Paps for sure?


From what I can understand of the situation, they wouldn’t have had a snowflakes chance in hell of keeping Paps or anyone else. Paps left for the same reason Teddy and JAC did.

Well from what I understand they didn’t think much about paps (and offered him very little) because they had Teddy, why they didn’t realise Teddy didn’t want to be here is beyond me, he already agreed to go to the Raiders till Robbie talked him out of it.

I think the same applied to JAC, they just didn’t rate him.

Our retention and identification was and has been poor for a long time, maybe until they brought Hartigan in. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning.

To be honest at that point there weren't many people that rated Paps, Melbourne offered him to every club about 2 years agao and every club said no.

Papenhuyzen was always going to be a star. His loss followed on from that of Koroibete and JAC so there is a pattern of loss of x factor players all while retaining Nofoaluma. Diabolical retention decisions. Fortunately, our new team appear to have turned this around.

Can you show where you said that at the time he left?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing Cochise, isn't it?

 

[TigerWest]

Part of any successful system is in the ability to retain and recruit. I think it's reasonable to be critical of any club that has problems in this area..You can't improve if you are defensive about the mistakes/ weaknesses you have identified in past. They need to be addressed.
In saying that I think some of the systems that are being implemented at the moment - led by the much maligned Pascoe - are positive for the future growth of the club and demonstrate some reflection about key areas that will see the club grow and develop.

Yep, but I think he got a good team together and they are all doing there bit. Onwards and upwards.

 

[avocadoontoast]

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/30448172/burned-wests-tigers-hold-fire-nrl-market
Tigers "Confident" in signing Nofo. Not keen on Mansour. Could be a smoke screen. Like to think its true

That inference with Paps annoys me, they always fail to mention that he was behind Teddy at the time, in hindsight, if they knew what Teddy was going to do, they would have kept Paps for sure?


From what I can understand of the situation, they wouldn’t have had a snowflakes chance in hell of keeping Paps or anyone else. Paps left for the same reason Teddy and JAC did.

Well from what I understand they didn’t think much about paps (and offered him very little) because they had Teddy, why they didn’t realise Teddy didn’t want to be here is beyond me, he already agreed to go to the Raiders till Robbie talked him out of it.

I think the same applied to JAC, they just didn’t rate him.

Our retention and identification was and has been poor for a long time, maybe until they brought Hartigan in. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning.

To be honest at that point there weren't many people that rated Paps, Melbourne offered him to every club about 2 years agao and every club said no.

Papenhuyzen was always going to be a star. His loss followed on from that of Koroibete and JAC so there is a pattern of loss of x factor players all while retaining Nofoaluma. Diabolical retention decisions. Fortunately, our new team appear to have turned this around.

Can you show where you said that at the time he left?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing Cochise, isn't it?

In Paws defence he did voice his displeasure fairly strongly at the time.

 

[cochise]

How is it diabolical retention when both Papenhauzen and Addo-Carr were offered contracts by Wests Tigers at the time and both players by their own choice chose to sign elsewhere...Koroibete also only played 2 years at the Storm and then left them seeking fame and a fortune in another code

When we are now complaining that we shouldn't retain players who want to look elsewhere..

There is a pattern - the Storm new how important it was for their brand to recruit them.X factor players who turn games.

Then they tried to offload Paps.

 

[cochise]

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/30448172/burned-wests-tigers-hold-fire-nrl-market
Tigers "Confident" in signing Nofo. Not keen on Mansour. Could be a smoke screen. Like to think its true

That inference with Paps annoys me, they always fail to mention that he was behind Teddy at the time, in hindsight, if they knew what Teddy was going to do, they would have kept Paps for sure?


From what I can understand of the situation, they wouldn’t have had a snowflakes chance in hell of keeping Paps or anyone else. Paps left for the same reason Teddy and JAC did.

Well from what I understand they didn’t think much about paps (and offered him very little) because they had Teddy, why they didn’t realise Teddy didn’t want to be here is beyond me, he already agreed to go to the Raiders till Robbie talked him out of it.

I think the same applied to JAC, they just didn’t rate him.

Our retention and identification was and has been poor for a long time, maybe until they brought Hartigan in. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning.

To be honest at that point there weren't many people that rated Paps, Melbourne offered him to every club about 2 years agao and every club said no.

Papenhuyzen was always going to be a star. His loss followed on from that of Koroibete and JAC so there is a pattern of loss of x factor players all while retaining Nofoaluma. Diabolical retention decisions. Fortunately, our new team appear to have turned this around.

Can you show where you said that at the time he left?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing Cochise, isn't it?

In Paws defence he did voice his displeasure fairly strongly at the time.

Thanks mate.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/30448172/burned-wests-tigers-hold-fire-nrl-market
Tigers "Confident" in signing Nofo. Not keen on Mansour. Could be a smoke screen. Like to think its true

That inference with Paps annoys me, they always fail to mention that he was behind Teddy at the time, in hindsight, if they knew what Teddy was going to do, they would have kept Paps for sure?


From what I can understand of the situation, they wouldn’t have had a snowflakes chance in hell of keeping Paps or anyone else. Paps left for the same reason Teddy and JAC did.

Well from what I understand they didn’t think much about paps (and offered him very little) because they had Teddy, why they didn’t realise Teddy didn’t want to be here is beyond me, he already agreed to go to the Raiders till Robbie talked him out of it.

I think the same applied to JAC, they just didn’t rate him.

Our retention and identification was and has been poor for a long time, maybe until they brought Hartigan in. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning.

To be honest at that point there weren't many people that rated Paps, Melbourne offered him to every club about 2 years agao and every club said no.

Papenhuyzen was always going to be a star. His loss followed on from that of Koroibete and JAC so there is a pattern of loss of x factor players all while retaining Nofoaluma. Diabolical retention decisions. Fortunately, our new team appear to have turned this around.

Can you show where you said that at the time he left?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing Cochise, isn't it?

In the GF, two plays from Papenhuyzen - the bomb which Edwards dropped and the kick into the in goal and repeat set stemmed the momentum of the game which was in the Panthers' favour. Game changing plays from a match winner.

One of our forummers at some date wrote we entrusted our outstanding talent to someone like JT.

 

[twentyforty]

If i remember correctly ,every WTfan at the time could not understand why he hardly got a run in the top grade It was obvious he was good.This is all a carry over from that terrible time.

Athe time as I recall we were much better at getting rid of players than signing on players. When they wouldn’t go we pushed that much harder 😂 players like Robbie and Benji. This is why Madge has got more of a challenge than he should have, but he knew that before he took on the job, that’s what I admire so much about him. And so far he is definitely living up to my expectations.

 

[cochise]

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/30448172/burned-wests-tigers-hold-fire-nrl-market
Tigers "Confident" in signing Nofo. Not keen on Mansour. Could be a smoke screen. Like to think its true

That inference with Paps annoys me, they always fail to mention that he was behind Teddy at the time, in hindsight, if they knew what Teddy was going to do, they would have kept Paps for sure?


From what I can understand of the situation, they wouldn’t have had a snowflakes chance in hell of keeping Paps or anyone else. Paps left for the same reason Teddy and JAC did.

Well from what I understand they didn’t think much about paps (and offered him very little) because they had Teddy, why they didn’t realise Teddy didn’t want to be here is beyond me, he already agreed to go to the Raiders till Robbie talked him out of it.

I think the same applied to JAC, they just didn’t rate him.

Our retention and identification was and has been poor for a long time, maybe until they brought Hartigan in. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning.

To be honest at that point there weren't many people that rated Paps, Melbourne offered him to every club about 2 years agao and every club said no.

Papenhuyzen was always going to be a star. His loss followed on from that of Koroibete and JAC so there is a pattern of loss of x factor players all while retaining Nofoaluma. Diabolical retention decisions. Fortunately, our new team appear to have turned this around.

Can you show where you said that at the time he left?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing Cochise, isn't it?

In the GF, two plays from Papenhuyzen - the bomb which Edwards dropped and the kick into the in goal and repeat set stemmed the momentum of the game which was in the Panthers' favour. Game changing plays from a match winner.

One of our forummers at some date wrote we entrusted our outstanding talent to someone like JT.

I've said this before and I will say it again, I remember when JT signed and he held a members info session where he outlined our areas of weakness and his plans for rectifying those. He was 100% right with what he spoke about, but he either didn't have the coaching skills or the belief from the players to be able to implement a fix for what he could see. I think that is also why he makes a good assistant and a terrible head coach, but I can see how he would have impressed in his interview with the club.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

How is it diabolical retention when both Papenhauzen and Addo-Carr were offered contracts by Wests Tigers at the time and both players by their own choice chose to sign elsewhere...Koroibete also only played 2 years at the Storm and then left them seeking fame and a fortune in another code

When we are now complaining that we shouldn't retain players who want to look elsewhere..

I'm not throwing this out here to rub faces in it but to highlight what can be achieved if systems are in place. I would add as I did this morning the Club has made significant improvements which I recognise. And no Nofoaluma doesn't get a look in because he is not in the same league as Koroibete or JAC.

Papenhuyzen
Koroibete
Kei
Doueihi
JAC
Laurie
Brooks

Talau
Rizk
Madden

 

[TigerWest]

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/30448172/burned-wests-tigers-hold-fire-nrl-market
Tigers "Confident" in signing Nofo. Not keen on Mansour. Could be a smoke screen. Like to think its true

That inference with Paps annoys me, they always fail to mention that he was behind Teddy at the time, in hindsight, if they knew what Teddy was going to do, they would have kept Paps for sure?


From what I can understand of the situation, they wouldn’t have had a snowflakes chance in hell of keeping Paps or anyone else. Paps left for the same reason Teddy and JAC did.

Well from what I understand they didn’t think much about paps (and offered him very little) because they had Teddy, why they didn’t realise Teddy didn’t want to be here is beyond me, he already agreed to go to the Raiders till Robbie talked him out of it.

I think the same applied to JAC, they just didn’t rate him.

Our retention and identification was and has been poor for a long time, maybe until they brought Hartigan in. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning.

To be honest at that point there weren't many people that rated Paps, Melbourne offered him to every club about 2 years agao and every club said no.

Papenhuyzen was always going to be a star. His loss followed on from that of Koroibete and JAC so there is a pattern of loss of x factor players all while retaining Nofoaluma. Diabolical retention decisions. Fortunately, our new team appear to have turned this around.

Can you show where you said that at the time he left?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing Cochise, isn't it?

In the GF, two plays from Papenhuyzen - the bomb which Edwards dropped and the kick into the in goal and repeat set stemmed the momentum of the game which was in the Panthers' favour. Game changing plays from a match winner.

One of our forummers at some date wrote we entrusted our outstanding talent to someone like JT.

I've said this before and I will say it again, I remember when JT signed and he held a members info session where he outlined our areas of weakness and his plans for rectifying those. He was 100% right with what he spoke about, but he either didn't have the coaching skills or the belief from the players to be able to implement a fix for what he could see. I think that is also why he makes a good assistant and a terrible head coach, but I can see how he would have impressed in his interview with the club.

Yes, pretty sure I remember Go saying how impressed she was of Taylor in the interview process.

Talks the talk, but can’t walk the walk.

 

[cochise]

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/30448172/burned-wests-tigers-hold-fire-nrl-market
Tigers "Confident" in signing Nofo. Not keen on Mansour. Could be a smoke screen. Like to think its true

That inference with Paps annoys me, they always fail to mention that he was behind Teddy at the time, in hindsight, if they knew what Teddy was going to do, they would have kept Paps for sure?


From what I can understand of the situation, they wouldn’t have had a snowflakes chance in hell of keeping Paps or anyone else. Paps left for the same reason Teddy and JAC did.

Well from what I understand they didn’t think much about paps (and offered him very little) because they had Teddy, why they didn’t realise Teddy didn’t want to be here is beyond me, he already agreed to go to the Raiders till Robbie talked him out of it.

I think the same applied to JAC, they just didn’t rate him.

Our retention and identification was and has been poor for a long time, maybe until they brought Hartigan in. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning.

To be honest at that point there weren't many people that rated Paps, Melbourne offered him to every club about 2 years agao and every club said no.

Papenhuyzen was always going to be a star. His loss followed on from that of Koroibete and JAC so there is a pattern of loss of x factor players all while retaining Nofoaluma. Diabolical retention decisions. Fortunately, our new team appear to have turned this around.

Can you show where you said that at the time he left?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing Cochise, isn't it?

In the GF, two plays from Papenhuyzen - the bomb which Edwards dropped and the kick into the in goal and repeat set stemmed the momentum of the game which was in the Panthers' favour. Game changing plays from a match winner.

One of our forummers at some date wrote we entrusted our outstanding talent to someone like JT.

I've said this before and I will say it again, I remember when JT signed and he held a members info session where he outlined our areas of weakness and his plans for rectifying those. He was 100% right with what he spoke about, but he either didn't have the coaching skills or the belief from the players to be able to implement a fix for what he could see. I think that is also why he makes a good assistant and a terrible head coach, but I can see how he would have impressed in his interview with the club.

Yes, pretty sure I remember Go saying how impressed she was of Taylor in the interview process.

Talks the talk, but can’t walk the walk.

I think that sums him up perfectly.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Noffo at $685k is sheer salary cap suicide. $450k is generous. $375 is fair value for money imo. I hate how our "club legends" drag negotiations through the media.

I hate how we treat club legends like dirt.

375k - I think you are kidding.

You've had a great year Noffo, so as a reward we are asking you to take a 75k pay cut. Meanwhile we will pay a guy with maybe 2 NRL games under his belt 350k.

You are entitled to your opinion like all of us Rusty but.....

Sorry Russell but Rusty is correct. Club. Legend is thrown about lightly. He should be retained but at the right price. I believe he can be replaced by end of next year from within.

 

[Russell]

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/30448172/burned-wests-tigers-hold-fire-nrl-market
Tigers "Confident" in signing Nofo. Not keen on Mansour. Could be a smoke screen. Like to think its true

That inference with Paps annoys me, they always fail to mention that he was behind Teddy at the time, in hindsight, if they knew what Teddy was going to do, they would have kept Paps for sure?


From what I can understand of the situation, they wouldn’t have had a snowflakes chance in hell of keeping Paps or anyone else. Paps left for the same reason Teddy and JAC did.

Well from what I understand they didn’t think much about paps (and offered him very little) because they had Teddy, why they didn’t realise Teddy didn’t want to be here is beyond me, he already agreed to go to the Raiders till Robbie talked him out of it.

I think the same applied to JAC, they just didn’t rate him.

Our retention and identification was and has been poor for a long time, maybe until they brought Hartigan in. Thankfully the tide seems to be turning.

To be honest at that point there weren't many people that rated Paps, Melbourne offered him to every club about 2 years agao and every club said no.

Papenhuyzen was always going to be a star. His loss followed on from that of Koroibete and JAC so there is a pattern of loss of x factor players all while retaining Nofoaluma. Diabolical retention decisions. Fortunately, our new team appear to have turned this around.

Can you show where you said that at the time he left?

Hindsight is a beautiful thing Cochise, isn't it?

In the GF, two plays from Papenhuyzen - the bomb which Edwards dropped and the kick into the in goal and repeat set stemmed the momentum of the game which was in the Panthers' favour. Game changing plays from a match winner.

One of our forummers at some date wrote we entrusted our outstanding talent to someone like JT.

I've said this before and I will say it again, I remember when JT signed and he held a members info session where he outlined our areas of weakness and his plans for rectifying those. He was 100% right with what he spoke about, but he either didn't have the coaching skills or the belief from the players to be able to implement a fix for what he could see. I think that is also why he makes a good assistant and a terrible head coach, but I can see how he would have impressed in his interview with the club.

Yes, pretty sure I remember Go saying how impressed she was of Taylor in the interview process.

Talks the talk, but can’t walk the walk.

I think that sums him up perfectly.

I think a few of these posts - especially the ones about Paps should be in a lament thread.

 

[sleeve]

PAWCAST- Agee with your comments.Its sad but true,there is room for sentiment in a professional game.

 

[BZN]

Fact
Nofa made 89 tackles in 2020 and missed 33.
Wingers don’t deserve half a million bucks a year, unless your wearing a Kangaroos jersey.

You always win if you outscore the opposition, how many tries did he score?

None of us have any idea what he was offered, but I don’t think he is leaving anyway.

7 wins 13 losses

All Nofo’s fault was it, the glass is always half empty for you isn’t it.

Haha has been for about 9 years with this mob, nothing wrong with wanting more

I’m not anti noff just think he’s already on good freight

I agree, but there is nothing wrong with him wanting more if he can get it.

True. Bit disappointing when Madge came out and said there is no way we would entertain a swap for JAC though, if you seen that interview you would have thought he was locked in here. I would have entertained the swap if Noff was keen but doubt Melb would have paid overs anyway.

[/QUOTE]

Madge was showing 'total loyalty' to Nofa so it's up to Nofa to return that loyalty and maybe even take a slight pay-cut if he wants to stay at Wests Tigers.