David Nofoaluma #164

[BAGNF05]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

He hasn't improved is defence issues which is the problem.

We discussed this already, I think I need to see better defence from our inside men before I pin all our issues on a winger. You don’t sign wingers who can tackle because you’d never find one. ?

We have discussed this and I can read a game well enough to know who to blame in the majority of situations. Yes at times his inside ment didn't help him, but he takes plenty of wrong options regardless of what the players inside him do.

Yes it’s often obvious that Noffa makes the wrong read but how many times last year did our centres leave him high and dry? His confidence out there must be shot. It’s also a big ask to tackle NRL wingers with their speed and size these days. Sometimes you just applaud good attack like what Souths backline do to many teams.

Those wrong choices are the reason he didnt play origin, not the club he plays for.

We’re not going to agree on this one mate, I think playing in a team that shoots itself in the foot so often and is frail in D across the park, your winger is not to blame.

He should take some ownership, he wants to play origin he wants to play finals, he is a big part of the reason we haven't played finals.

His club and teammates voted him best player (as a winger). I’d say he’s pulling his weight.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

He hasn't improved is defence issues which is the problem.

We discussed this already, I think I need to see better defence from our inside men before I pin all our issues on a winger. You don’t sign wingers who can tackle because you’d never find one. ?

We have discussed this and I can read a game well enough to know who to blame in the majority of situations. Yes at times his inside ment didn't help him, but he takes plenty of wrong options regardless of what the players inside him do.

Yes it’s often obvious that Noffa makes the wrong read but how many times last year did our centres leave him high and dry? His confidence out there must be shot. It’s also a big ask to tackle NRL wingers with their speed and size these days. Sometimes you just applaud good attack like what Souths backline do to many teams.

Those wrong choices are the reason he didnt play origin, not the club he plays for.

We’re not going to agree on this one mate, I think playing in a team that shoots itself in the foot so often and is frail in D across the park, your winger is not to blame.

he has had so many centres simona Lawrence BJ etc they can't all be bad defensively he is the constant in poor reads over the years.

He never played with Lawrence in his prime as a centre, Simona was betting on the opposition, BJ was eating a lot of maccas.

ahh so that is why he couldn't read defense it was "someone else's fault" got it
good point re BJ and Maccas

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Benji gets bagged out for defensive issues the last year bit not our David he never does anything wrong defensively

 

[BAGNF05]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

If he goes we won’t be going backwards on the ladder. He is a bit overrated on here due to his perceived loyalty. Funnily enough I went into the south’s forum to see their reaction to potentially signing Nofo and it is pretty much unanimous that they’d prefer Mansour.

on this forum most on here think he is Eric Groth senior or Ken Irvine

Not old enough to see those guys but when you don’t have many truly good players in your squad, you can’t just let the ones you do have go for the sake of a few dollars.

 

[cochise]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

He hasn't improved is defence issues which is the problem.

We discussed this already, I think I need to see better defence from our inside men before I pin all our issues on a winger. You don’t sign wingers who can tackle because you’d never find one. ?

We have discussed this and I can read a game well enough to know who to blame in the majority of situations. Yes at times his inside ment didn't help him, but he takes plenty of wrong options regardless of what the players inside him do.

Yes it’s often obvious that Noffa makes the wrong read but how many times last year did our centres leave him high and dry? His confidence out there must be shot. It’s also a big ask to tackle NRL wingers with their speed and size these days. Sometimes you just applaud good attack like what Souths backline do to many teams.

Those wrong choices are the reason he didnt play origin, not the club he plays for.

We’re not going to agree on this one mate, I think playing in a team that shoots itself in the foot so often and is frail in D across the park, your winger is not to blame.

He should take some ownership, he wants to play origin he wants to play finals, he is a big part of the reason we haven't played finals.

His club and teammates voted him best player (as a winger). I’d say he’s pulling his weight.

I like Nofa as a player and a personality, I hope he stays on a fair contract. But if you are unable to see his defensive issues than you need to develop a better understanding of the game.

 

[cochise]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

If he goes we won’t be going backwards on the ladder. He is a bit overrated on here due to his perceived loyalty. Funnily enough I went into the south’s forum to see their reaction to potentially signing Nofo and it is pretty much unanimous that they’d prefer Mansour.

on this forum most on here think he is Eric Groth senior or Ken Irvine

Not old enough to see those guys but when you don’t have many truly good players in your squad, you can’t just let the ones you do have go for the sake of a few dollars.

Yeah lets pay him $100k over value and then what happens when the player that can truly change our club comes on the market and we are short of $ because we overpaid a winger? You would be the 1st to criticize the club for missing the big name.

 

[earl]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

It doesn't work like that. It means we can spend that money elsewhere.

 

[BAGNF05]

Benji gets bagged out for defensive issues the last year bit not our David he never does anything wrong defensively

I’ve bagged them both but your halves have to make about 20 tackles sometimes, for wingers it’s about 3-5. Defence for wingers is far less critical to the outcome. Not saying it’s not important but most wingers will get found out from time to time because they’re usually one on one with really athletic blokes.

And, If the Tigers were sticking to a game plan and not defending the try line so often we wouldn’t see our edges pulled apart as often.

 

[BAGNF05]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

It doesn't work like that. It means we can spend that money elsewhere.

Mate, we could have a squillion dollars available, it’s clear we are having a really tough time getting elite players here.

 

[BAGNF05]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

If he goes we won’t be going backwards on the ladder. He is a bit overrated on here due to his perceived loyalty. Funnily enough I went into the south’s forum to see their reaction to potentially signing Nofo and it is pretty much unanimous that they’d prefer Mansour.

on this forum most on here think he is Eric Groth senior or Ken Irvine

Not old enough to see those guys but when you don’t have many truly good players in your squad, you can’t just let the ones you do have go for the sake of a few dollars.

Yeah lets pay him $100k over value and then what happens when the player that can truly change our club comes on the market and we are short of $ because we overpaid a winger? You would be the 1st to criticize the club for missing the big name.

We’ve signed half of the NSW under 16’s team from 2015-2019 surely we have some in the kitty for actual NRL players.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

It doesn't work like that. It means we can spend that money elsewhere.

Mate, we could have a squillion dollars available, it’s clear we are having a really tough time getting elite players here.

agree with that but we need to pay overs for the right player like Brandon Smith or a Munster etc

 

[BAGNF05]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

It doesn't work like that. It means we can spend that money elsewhere.

Mate, we could have a squillion dollars available, it’s clear we are having a really tough time getting elite players here.

agree with that but we need to pay overs for the right player like Brandon Smith or a Munster etc

100% agree to go after them but 100% doubt we get them if we keep letting go of the Teddy’s, the Matto’s, the Noffa’s. Etc

 

[cochise]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

If he goes we won’t be going backwards on the ladder. He is a bit overrated on here due to his perceived loyalty. Funnily enough I went into the south’s forum to see their reaction to potentially signing Nofo and it is pretty much unanimous that they’d prefer Mansour.

on this forum most on here think he is Eric Groth senior or Ken Irvine

Not old enough to see those guys but when you don’t have many truly good players in your squad, you can’t just let the ones you do have go for the sake of a few dollars.

Yeah lets pay him $100k over value and then what happens when the player that can truly change our club comes on the market and we are short of $ because we overpaid a winger? You would be the 1st to criticize the club for missing the big name.

We’ve signed half of the NSW under 16’s team from 2015-2019 surely we have some in the kitty for actual NRL players.

So lets waste it by overpaying a winger, again I'm not saying don't sign him, I'm saying don't overpay him.

 

[BAGNF05]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

If he goes we won’t be going backwards on the ladder. He is a bit overrated on here due to his perceived loyalty. Funnily enough I went into the south’s forum to see their reaction to potentially signing Nofo and it is pretty much unanimous that they’d prefer Mansour.

on this forum most on here think he is Eric Groth senior or Ken Irvine

Not old enough to see those guys but when you don’t have many truly good players in your squad, you can’t just let the ones you do have go for the sake of a few dollars.

Yeah lets pay him $100k over value and then what happens when the player that can truly change our club comes on the market and we are short of $ because we overpaid a winger? You would be the 1st to criticize the club for missing the big name.

We’ve signed half of the NSW under 16’s team from 2015-2019 surely we have some in the kitty for actual NRL players.

So lets waste it by overpaying a winger, again I'm not saying don't sign him, I'm saying don't overpay him.

I’ve put a cap at 500 I’m not saying go chips in. That’s still a lot less than we’ve given some of our dead weight and Noff is really making a contribution.

I’m just saying don’t lose him for the sake of a few dollars as it only prolongs the cycle of mediocrity where we lose our best players and can’t sign replacements that are better. As Sterlo says, good teams always have a suitable replacement lined up when they lose a player.

If I thought we could go out and get Xavier Coates in his place, then let him go. But based on recent history, that will not happen.

 

[Magpieger]

hello Tigers fans, Souths have expressed interest in signing Nofoaluma as expressed in the news this morning however, it isn’t all gloomy on your guys end. Laurie and Mansour will be heading to you guys this year if Nofoaluma elects to take up the Souths offer, if he does he could potentially be heading there for the 2021 season.

Your team is also interested in signing Dallin Watene-zalezniak from the Bulldogs. He played his best football under Michael Maguire for the Kiwi international side. This signing is most likely for 2022 but nonetheless a good signing.

Not sure letting Nofa go early is worth it to get Mansour and Laurie. We’re getting Laurie in 2022 anyway and Mansour is a downgrade

As for DWZ he did play good under Madge but he’s been pretty average lately, he’s no fullback and not sure he’s that great a winger either

Thanks for the info though

Mansouris not a downgrade David has had ONE good year that is all

Imagine trading a dally m winger of the year for a bloke who’s just turned 30, just so we can get an unproven talent a year early. Mansour is a downgrade on almost every level. But it seems you’re the leader of the Nofoaluma hate club so I’m sure this won’t register with you very well

Who said anything about a trade
If Nofoaluma wants out we can't stop him
All we can do is keep him here to fulfil his contract
And what is the point in this situation of keeping someone here that doesn't want to be here
We should do what we need to to get Laurie here
If it means getting Mansour for 2 years Max on a heavily subsidised deal we still win
If Nofoaluma is on $400'000 this year and we can get Mansour for say $250'000 with kicking in the rest, it's a win win
We get Laurie
We save $150'000
We get Mansour who is no slouch despite what some of you think
He will more than hold his own
And if he is only costing us $250'000 he would be a perfect back up if he doesn't start
For $250'000 he is a perfect depth player
Just think about our wingers of the past in Molten, John Hopoate, Lola Milford, Hassan Saleh, Ahmad Bajouri, Balin Cupples, Robert Miles, Dean Collins, Jason Moodie, Mathew Rieck, Shannon McDonnell, Penrith Tagive, Geoff Daniela, Mitch Brown, Matt Utai, Joel Reddy, Jy Hitchcox, Kevin Naiqama, Delouise Hoeter, Jordan Rankin, Justin Hunt, Mahe Fonoa, Robert Jennings

Just let those names sink in a bit
Then have a reel good think
Is Josh Mansour really that bad
Or are we expecting to much
In my books he is better then all those names listed and probably a few more
Sure his best years may be behind him but he still offers plenty
Some people need to take their blindfolds off
Mansour would still be better now then over 90% of the wingers that have played for this club
A two year deal i think would be a smart deal at $250'000
It leaves us with more $ in the bank if Nofoaluma leaves
That can go towards a Crichton x 2 or Staggs or B Smith or Jahrome Hughes or Cameron McInnes

This is the mistake most make.

Mansour has 1 year left at the Panthers.
If he signs for any years after 2021 we pay full cost.
He wants a 3yr deal.

Mansour isn’t the player we should recruit just to bring a kid to our club a season early. We need to stop the panic buy, that’s what gets us into major trouble ever year.

Mansour doesn’t have the speed, his lateral movement isn’t what it was years ago - if you watched him last 2yrs anyone could see it and he will play reserves to allow a kid to play first grade at the Panthers who has hardly had a run.

There is a reason no club has snapped him up yet even with the Panthers willing to pay some freight.

Paying 250k ++ a season for a aged depth player is crazy. No serious club would do this deal.

Mansour is someone we need to stay well clear of if we are serious for 2022 & 2023.

Agree. It's the same thing as replacing Benji with Widdop. Great goal-kicker, can play halves or fullback, comes at a cut-price rate, short-term. Seems to make sense but because of our new take on recruitment/retention it's not the road we go down anymore. We go forwards, not backwards.
Speaking of backwards, Mansours rep honours ARE impressive but they ARE in the past, Nofo's form is good now.

 

[cochise]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

If he goes we won’t be going backwards on the ladder. He is a bit overrated on here due to his perceived loyalty. Funnily enough I went into the south’s forum to see their reaction to potentially signing Nofo and it is pretty much unanimous that they’d prefer Mansour.

on this forum most on here think he is Eric Groth senior or Ken Irvine

Not old enough to see those guys but when you don’t have many truly good players in your squad, you can’t just let the ones you do have go for the sake of a few dollars.

Yeah lets pay him $100k over value and then what happens when the player that can truly change our club comes on the market and we are short of $ because we overpaid a winger? You would be the 1st to criticize the club for missing the big name.

We’ve signed half of the NSW under 16’s team from 2015-2019 surely we have some in the kitty for actual NRL players.

So lets waste it by overpaying a winger, again I'm not saying don't sign him, I'm saying don't overpay him.

I’ve put a cap at 500 I’m not saying go chips in. That’s still a lot less than we’ve given some of our dead weight and Noff is really making a contribution.

I’m just saying don’t lose him for the sake of a few dollars as it only prolongs the cycle of mediocrity where we lose our best players and can’t sign replacements that are better. As Sterlo says, good teams always have a suitable replacement lined up when they lose a player.

If I thought we could go out and get Xavier Coates in his place, then let him go. But based on recent history, that will not happen.

I don't care what we have paid others, if we keep making the mistakes of the past we are destined to repeat the outcome. I would be ok going to $450k for Noffa but that is absolutely max

 

[pawsandclaws1]

hello Tigers fans, Souths have expressed interest in signing Nofoaluma as expressed in the news this morning however, it isn’t all gloomy on your guys end. Laurie and Mansour will be heading to you guys this year if Nofoaluma elects to take up the Souths offer, if he does he could potentially be heading there for the 2021 season.

Your team is also interested in signing Dallin Watene-zalezniak from the Bulldogs. He played his best football under Michael Maguire for the Kiwi international side. This signing is most likely for 2022 but nonetheless a good signing.

Not sure letting Nofa go early is worth it to get Mansour and Laurie. We’re getting Laurie in 2022 anyway and Mansour is a downgrade

As for DWZ he did play good under Madge but he’s been pretty average lately, he’s no fullback and not sure he’s that great a winger either

Thanks for the info though

Mansouris not a downgrade David has had ONE good year that is all

Imagine trading a dally m winger of the year for a bloke who’s just turned 30, just so we can get an unproven talent a year early. Mansour is a downgrade on almost every level. But it seems you’re the leader of the Nofoaluma hate club so I’m sure this won’t register with you very well

Who said anything about a trade
If Nofoaluma wants out we can't stop him
All we can do is keep him here to fulfil his contract
And what is the point in this situation of keeping someone here that doesn't want to be here
We should do what we need to to get Laurie here
If it means getting Mansour for 2 years Max on a heavily subsidised deal we still win
If Nofoaluma is on $400'000 this year and we can get Mansour for say $250'000 with kicking in the rest, it's a win win
We get Laurie
We save $150'000
We get Mansour who is no slouch despite what some of you think
He will more than hold his own
And if he is only costing us $250'000 he would be a perfect back up if he doesn't start
For $250'000 he is a perfect depth player
Just think about our wingers of the past in Molten, John Hopoate, Lola Milford, Hassan Saleh, Ahmad Bajouri, Balin Cupples, Robert Miles, Dean Collins, Jason Moodie, Mathew Rieck, Shannon McDonnell, Penrith Tagive, Geoff Daniela, Mitch Brown, Matt Utai, Joel Reddy, Jy Hitchcox, Kevin Naiqama, Delouise Hoeter, Jordan Rankin, Justin Hunt, Mahe Fonoa, Robert Jennings

Just let those names sink in a bit
Then have a reel good think
Is Josh Mansour really that bad
Or are we expecting to much
In my books he is better then all those names listed and probably a few more
Sure his best years may be behind him but he still offers plenty
Some people need to take their blindfolds off
Mansour would still be better now then over 90% of the wingers that have played for this club
A two year deal i think would be a smart deal at $250'000
It leaves us with more $ in the bank if Nofoaluma leaves
That can go towards a Crichton x 2 or Staggs or B Smith or Jahrome Hughes or Cameron McInnes

This is the mistake most make.

Mansour has 1 year left at the Panthers.
If he signs for any years after 2021 we pay full cost.
He wants a 3yr deal.

Mansour isn’t the player we should recruit just to bring a kid to our club a season early. We need to stop the panic buy, that’s what gets us into major trouble ever year.

Mansour doesn’t have the speed, his lateral movement isn’t what it was years ago - if you watched him last 2yrs anyone could see it and he will play reserves to allow a kid to play first grade at the Panthers who has hardly had a run.

There is a reason no club has snapped him up yet even with the Panthers willing to pay some freight.

Paying 250k ++ a season for a aged depth player is crazy. No serious club would do this deal.

Mansour is someone we need to stay well clear of if we are serious for 2022 & 2023.



Agree. It's the same thing as replacing Benji with Widdop. Great goal-kicker, can play halves or fullback, comes at a cut-price rate, short-term. Seems to make sense but because of our new take on recruitment/retention it's not the road we go down anymore. We go forwards, not backwards.
Speaking of backwards, Mansours rep honours ARE impressive but they ARE in the past, Nofo's form is good now.

Nofoaluma still has a year on his contract. WTs have the time to bring forward a replacement over this upcomg season.

 

[Magpieger]

This is a funny situation we seem to be caught in, when to pay overs and when not to.
I believe Nof is worthy of an upgrade, not saying we hand him the keys to the vault, but an upgrade within reason.
In the next 2yrs we get big dollars back into the cap anyway when some dead wood drifts away.
Plus, we've got some young ralent waiting for their opportunity, I'd like to see them get the experience and potentially be really good players on our books. After all, the recruitment team saw something in them that prompted their signings. They are our depth, getting better and gaining more experience with every game and season.
Plus, I'm sooo reluctant to do Ivan any sort of favours, let him lose Creighton and suffer in his jocks.

 

[BAGNF05]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

If he goes we won’t be going backwards on the ladder. He is a bit overrated on here due to his perceived loyalty. Funnily enough I went into the south’s forum to see their reaction to potentially signing Nofo and it is pretty much unanimous that they’d prefer Mansour.

on this forum most on here think he is Eric Groth senior or Ken Irvine

Not old enough to see those guys but when you don’t have many truly good players in your squad, you can’t just let the ones you do have go for the sake of a few dollars.

Yeah lets pay him $100k over value and then what happens when the player that can truly change our club comes on the market and we are short of $ because we overpaid a winger? You would be the 1st to criticize the club for missing the big name.

We’ve signed half of the NSW under 16’s team from 2015-2019 surely we have some in the kitty for actual NRL players.

So lets waste it by overpaying a winger, again I'm not saying don't sign him, I'm saying don't overpay him.

I’ve put a cap at 500 I’m not saying go chips in. That’s still a lot less than we’ve given some of our dead weight and Noff is really making a contribution.

I’m just saying don’t lose him for the sake of a few dollars as it only prolongs the cycle of mediocrity where we lose our best players and can’t sign replacements that are better. As Sterlo says, good teams always have a suitable replacement lined up when they lose a player.

If I thought we could go out and get Xavier Coates in his place, then let him go. But based on recent history, that will not happen.

I don't care what we have paid others, if we keep making the mistakes of the past we are destined to repeat the outcome. I would be ok going to $450k for Noffa but that is absolutely max

Repeating mistakes of the past like letting dangerous attacking players go who then go onto win dally m’s, Clive Churchill’s etc.????

 

[cochise]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

It’s a huge factor. He’s had one good season since 2016.

I disagree. If I’m going into a room for a retention meeting to discuss how I project he’ll perform in 2021, a great year in 2020 is carrying much more weight than an average 2017 - and I also think he’s been a good (maybe not great) player since his debut. To me Noff found more confidence in himself last year which I know is powerful in rugby league. He believes he will play origin, good on him.

In the past 4 seasons he’s played to his contract value once. To reward him with an upgraded 4 year contract is bonkers imo.

I’d pay 3 years at 500 with a club option, that’s probably max for me.

$400k x 2 absolute max.

Then he’s gone and we probably pick up a worse player and go backwards

If he goes we won’t be going backwards on the ladder. He is a bit overrated on here due to his perceived loyalty. Funnily enough I went into the south’s forum to see their reaction to potentially signing Nofo and it is pretty much unanimous that they’d prefer Mansour.

on this forum most on here think he is Eric Groth senior or Ken Irvine

Not old enough to see those guys but when you don’t have many truly good players in your squad, you can’t just let the ones you do have go for the sake of a few dollars.

Yeah lets pay him $100k over value and then what happens when the player that can truly change our club comes on the market and we are short of $ because we overpaid a winger? You would be the 1st to criticize the club for missing the big name.

We’ve signed half of the NSW under 16’s team from 2015-2019 surely we have some in the kitty for actual NRL players.

So lets waste it by overpaying a winger, again I'm not saying don't sign him, I'm saying don't overpay him.

I’ve put a cap at 500 I’m not saying go chips in. That’s still a lot less than we’ve given some of our dead weight and Noff is really making a contribution.

I’m just saying don’t lose him for the sake of a few dollars as it only prolongs the cycle of mediocrity where we lose our best players and can’t sign replacements that are better. As Sterlo says, good teams always have a suitable replacement lined up when they lose a player.

If I thought we could go out and get Xavier Coates in his place, then let him go. But based on recent history, that will not happen.

I don't care what we have paid others, if we keep making the mistakes of the past we are destined to repeat the outcome. I would be ok going to $450k for Noffa but that is absolutely max

Repeating mistakes of the past like letting dangerous attacking players go who then go onto win dally m’s, Clive Churchill’s etc.????

Are you serious? Noffa a chance to win a Dally m or Clive Churchill? I wouldn't let Noffa go, I would offering him a contract of around $450k which is above his value.