Despite the criticism, Our record with Moltz at fullback

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Moltzen gets a ridiculous bagging on here, IMO very unfairly.

Over 2011/12 the period where Moltzen has been most heavily bagged we have a significantly better record with Moltz at fullback.

This season Moltz has played 13 games at fullback, 7 games with someone else. (counting the game against Newcastle as a miss, given that he left after 10 minutes)

With Moltz in at fullback we are 9 from 13, without 1 from 7.

In 2011 Moltz at fullback we won 10 from 14, without 5 from 12

So over the last 2 years we have a 70% success rate with moltz at fullback and 31% with him out.

So as much as everyone seems to bag him, we win more with him in, and 46 games is a reasonable statistical base for comparison.

Perhaps he offers something you guys dont see….or perhaps you are overly critical
 
causation and correlation are very different things.. one doesn't necessarily mean the other.
 
That's an interesting stat. I just find that his kick returns are soft and he still doesn't attack the ball. Maybe i'm missing something.
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@tig_prmz said:
causation and correlation are very different things.. one doesn't necessarily mean the other.
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agree completely, Im not saying he is the cause of us winnning, but there is a clear correlation.

46 is a statistical significant pool
 
@tiga4eva said:
That's an interesting stat. I just find that his kick returns are soft and he still doesn't attack the ball. Maybe i'm missing something.
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look, no doubt he's got talent, but those are the things fans see.. they see his timidness and his lack of effort in putting the body on the line.

i am his supporter in the fact that he saves tries on the line which most fullbacks dont, but in attacking the high ball, running the ball back and the look on his face whenever he gets tackled makes him look like a little princess who doesn't do the dirty work. compare this to what he does in the opposition 20 and you will see what he is capable of.

not doing the dirty work.. that is the tigers' major problem, more so with moltzen than many other, that's why he gets bagged and rightly so.
 
@tig_prmz said:
@tiga4eva said:
That's an interesting stat. I just find that his kick returns are soft and he still doesn't attack the ball. Maybe i'm missing something.
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look, no doubt he's got talent, but those are the things fans see.. they see his timidness and his lack of effort in putting the body on the line.

i am his supporter in the fact that he saves tries on the line which most fullbacks dont, but in attacking the high ball, running the ball back and the look on his face whenever he gets tackled makes him look like a little princess who doesn't do the dirty work. compare this to what he does in the opposition 20 and you will see what he is capable of.

not doing the dirty work.. that is the tigers' major problem, more so with moltzen than many other, that's why he gets bagged and rightly so.
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Yup
 
Well after last weeks game and the great effort(not) of putting his body on the line for the team defensively I say it's more luck than anything that we can win with him at the back. Please Tim when a young rookie is doing your job don't pat him on the back it's not a good look not for him but for you .
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@Goose said:
Moltzen gets a ridiculous bagging on here, IMO very unfairly.

Over 2011/12 the period where Moltzen has been most heavily bagged we have a significantly better record with Moltz at fullback.

This season Moltz has played 13 games at fullback, 7 games with someone else. (counting the game against Newcastle as a miss, given that he left after 10 minutes)

With Moltz in at fullback we are 9 from 13, without 1 from 7.

In 2011 Moltz at fullback we won 10 from 14, without 5 from 12

So over the last 2 years we have a 70% success rate with moltz at fullback and 31% with him out.

So as much as everyone seems to bag him, we win more with him in, and 46 games is a reasonable statistical base for comparison.

Perhaps he offers something you guys dont see….or perhaps you are overly critical
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Do you honestly think he is a fullback?

We also have an excellent record with Moltzen at halfback, it means very little in the grand scheme of things.

Look, this year I can understand why he was moved back to fullback, even if I don't agree with it. Every other option at fullback lacks the required spark in attack that we need. Ryan is safe, but not quick and doesn't add anything to our attack when playing fullback. Moltzen does at times, but IMO his negatives (poor kick returns, inability to catch bombs, zero support play) etc. outweigh his positives.

At the end of the day, there is a reason why a rookie was chosen as our first choice fullback ahead of Moltzen this season, and why next year Moltzen will no longer be at fullback.
 
Statistics are in his favour, and he has had great games there although they are few and far between. If he played like he did against St. George in the final last year most games I'd be ecstatic unfortunately for the most part he lacks the basic skills and instincts of a fullback.

Our winning percentage and him in the #1 are not mutually exclusive. I could make the same conclusion about Galloway this year, but there are a multitude of variables that determine a result.
 
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I want to see our success rate with Timmy in the halves and Teddy in FB.
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It is 100%, but not sure you can take much from this figure as the sample size is 0.81% of the sample collected by Goose.
 
So the lacklustre defence, lack of support play and dreadful skills under the high ball are all assets that are helping us win games??? How cool is that!!!
 
So would the same apply if it was Nick Graham or Ryan O'Hara do we assume they were better than they showed

One of the sillier threads I have seen

Stats may mean something in a Supercoach or Dreamteam but sometimes they mean jack diddly squat on a football team or football field
 
He shifts other people to better positions when he plays and doesn't let players like Reddy into the side. That's how I see it
I think people forget Moltzen hasn't dropped a high ball iirc (except for the Panthers game) since round 6 (although costly in that game). People have been going on about it as their main point as to why he has been regarded as dispensable for far too long and with way too much emphasis.
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@Anthism said:
He shifts other people to better positions when he plays and doesn't let players like Reddy into the side. That's how I see it
I think people forget Moltzen hasn't dropped a high ball iirc (except for the Panthers game) since round 6 (although costly in that game). People have been going on about it as their main point as to why he has been regarded as dispensable for far too long and with way too much emphasis.
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How about v Broncos at SFS?
 
@helmesy said:
@Anthism said:
He shifts other people to better positions when he plays and doesn't let players like Reddy into the side. That's how I see it
I think people forget Moltzen hasn't dropped a high ball iirc (except for the Panthers game) since round 6 (although costly in that game). People have been going on about it as their main point as to why he has been regarded as dispensable for far too long and with way too much emphasis.
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How about v Broncos at SFS?
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That was round 6…. End of our losing streak
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I'm not a 100% Moltzen hater like many on this forum, but its hard to drop a bomb when you are positioned badly and never a chance to take it in the first place.
 
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