DO YOU SUPPORT GILLARDS CARBON TAX ?

[shiretiger]

That implies we are paying the carbon tax ourself, we aren't being taxed this. It will however effect the cost of living (energy bills etc) though hence **we will be all giving free money** (w00t) effectively, via tax cuts to make up for it. All in all, will pretty much equal out and won't make much of a difference to our lifestyle/budgets at all.

More LMAO. There is no such thing as FREE money. Someone has to pay for it.

 

[Strider]

Okay, that came out wrong. I am not saying we are going to benefit financially from it, but yes, we are getting tax cuts to help offset the higher cost of living. That's what I meant to say.

Regardless of how I feel, I think the polling on the forum accurately portrays the nations view, seems to be divided on this one.

 

[Strider]

I was trying to oversimplify it.

 

[tomcat]

‘Australian households will, ultimately, bear the full cost of a carbon price…Wait and see.

You can throw away your electric blankets turn off for good your electrical heaters ,turn off for good your spare fridge/freezer , do not repeat not use your clothes dryer.!!! .sparingly use hot water for showers and baths , Girls do not use your curling wands or hair dryers..it just goes on and on ... :imp:

Didn't the IPART decision indicate a total rise in bills of around $4 a week? And even then not all of it was due to the Carbon Tax. Given the price of carbon is unlikely to rise and will probably fall in real terms how do you figure your doomsday scenario is likely?

The carbon tax will rise there is no doubt about that "it's a Tax .IT'S got everyone scared , young families struggling as it is and how the hell are the pensioners going to survive ,they have it hard enough now, its frightening times for all and Doomsday started when Gillard fell into priministry office. She has to go and will at the next election.. :wink:“The sad thing is, despite all the unnecessary pain it brings, this tax will not even put a dent in the world’s carbon emissions.

 

[Kul]

don't worry, the Mayan Doomsday will get us all before then

 

[tomcat]

don't worry, the Mayan Doomsday will get us all before then

Countdown to Mayan Doomsday
Friday, December 21, 2012

 

[Swordy]

It's a way to raise money to cover for the waste and needless expenditure.

Some of it is the right thinking, but wrong time, wrong place, wrong everything else.

As I understand it most if not practically all of the money raised is being redistributed in the form of tax breaks to individuals and to boost renewable energy.

Some money is being returned back to low income earners in the form of tax breaks. Apparently I earn too much and will not be getting a single cent.

This is despite the fact that I have used my 'untold wealth' to insulate my house, put in solar hot water, some solar panels on the roof to a limit that I can afford. If I had more money, I'd put more on!

Yet, Wayne who lives down the road and has 3 kids and earns 35K a year and has made no attempt to direct any of his income toward energy efficient living, gets some tax breaks.

How is that fair?

You see, Wayne and I went school together. His Mum & Dad still live together and mine split when I was a kid meaning I came from a single parent family.

Wayne left in year 10, smoked a bit of grass, partied hard and then decided to knuckle down when he got his girlfriend pregnant at 18\. He has since had two more kids and after being in and out of jobs for the past 20 years, has held his factory job for the past 3 years.

Silly me on the other hand stayed in school and finished year 12, worked two jobs until I was 20 and then spent another 20 in the same, respectable job and worked my way up the ladder. I married at 27 and have two girls.

Nothing wrong with either lifestyle choice and Wayne and I remain best mates to this day! Yet Wayne gets a lot of family and health benefits and now gets more tax breaks because of a carbon tax. I get zero.

This scenario is 100% true.

I'm all for helping out the battlers, but there has to be some fairness in the way the carbon tax is worked, and in the current world climate, is the timing right anyway?

 

[quintus]

I have just now received my Electricity Account through Simply Energy and it was way over what I would normally be billed. I phoned SE and they informed me that my true billing period (the date from when I first gave them the contract to supply) was 19 days after the meter reading and they guesstimated what that would be and added it on to the bill. They very kindly gave me back my 19 days (reimburse) and will be sending me a new bill to this effect. I thought that was very kind of them. This is just a snippet for general information to warn you what can and does happen if you don't keep records of utilities. As far as the carbon tax is concerned….please don't start me on that. Suffice to say I am far from short of a quid but I will be keeping even more records no matter how insignificant I have considered these in the past. Forewarned is Forearmed.

 

[Yossarian]

It's a way to raise money to cover for the waste and needless expenditure.

Some of it is the right thinking, but wrong time, wrong place, wrong everything else.

As I understand it most if not practically all of the money raised is being redistributed in the form of tax breaks to individuals and to boost renewable energy.

Some money is being returned back to low income earners in the form of tax breaks. Apparently I earn too much and will not be getting a single cent.

This is despite the fact that I have used my 'untold wealth' to insulate my house, put in solar hot water, some solar panels on the roof to a limit that I can afford. If I had more money, I'd put more on!

In that case you'll be saving money from day one since you'll be using less carbon.

 

[Yossarian]

‘Australian households will, ultimately, bear the full cost of a carbon price…Wait and see.

You can throw away your electric blankets turn off for good your electrical heaters ,turn off for good your spare fridge/freezer , do not repeat not use your clothes dryer.!!! .sparingly use hot water for showers and baths , Girls do not use your curling wands or hair dryers..it just goes on and on ... :imp:

Didn't the IPART decision indicate a total rise in bills of around $4 a week? And even then not all of it was due to the Carbon Tax. Given the price of carbon is unlikely to rise and will probably fall in real terms how do you figure your doomsday scenario is likely?

The carbon tax will rise there is no doubt about that "it's a Tax .IT'S got everyone scared , young families struggling as it is and how the hell are the pensioners going to survive ,they have it hard enough now, its frightening times for all and Doomsday started when Gillard fell into priministry office. She has to go and will at the next election.. :wink:

Taxes have mostly fallen in this country in the last few decades. The GST has been stuck at 10% since it came in. There is nothing to suggest that the carbon price (it's a $ amount per ton not a % tax) is going to rise. On the contrary nearly everyone thinks the price is too high so in reality it will probably stay at $23 until the ETS kicks in at which point it will probably fall.

Pensioners are getting compensated.

 

[Yossarian]

This might help some people:

http://www.carbontax.net.au/category/what-is-the-carbon-tax/

http://www.carbontax.net.au/household-compensation/

According to the calculator I'm up for about $6 a week after tax breaks.

 

[stryker]

It is the political correctness of the whole argument that i can not stand. WE are going to show the world, WE are going to pioneer climate change, WE will do the right thing.
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BULLCRAP!!!!!

Big big no from me - no matter who is running the government. It is stupid, ill concieved and a deadset con.

 

[tomcat]

It is the political correctness of the whole argument that i can not stand. WE are going to show the world, WE are going to pioneer climate change, WE will do the right thing.
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BULLCRAP!!!!!

Big big no from me - no matter who is running the government. It is stupid, ill concieved and a deadset con.

"It is absolutely bizarre that the people who can't tell us what the [This word has been automatically removed]ing weather is next Tuesday can predict with absolute precision what the [This word has been automatically removed]ing global temperatures will be in 100 year's time. It's horseshit!"

 

[tomcat]

NEWSFLASH - IMPORTANT INFORMATION

UN IPCC OFFICIAL ADMITS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SCAM !!!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It's a way to raise money to cover for the waste and needless expenditure.

Some of it is the right thinking, but wrong time, wrong place, wrong everything else.

As I understand it most if not practically all of the money raised is being redistributed in the form of tax breaks to individuals and to boost renewable energy.

Some money is being returned back to low income earners in the form of tax breaks. Apparently I earn too much and will not be getting a single cent.

This is despite the fact that I have used my 'untold wealth' to insulate my house, put in solar hot water, some solar panels on the roof to a limit that I can afford. If I had more money, I'd put more on!

Yet, Wayne who lives down the road and has 3 kids and earns 35K a year and has made no attempt to direct any of his income toward energy efficient living, gets some tax breaks.

How is that fair?

You see, Wayne and I went school together. His Mum & Dad still live together and mine split when I was a kid meaning I came from a single parent family.

Wayne left in year 10, smoked a bit of grass, partied hard and then decided to knuckle down when he got his girlfriend pregnant at 18\. He has since had two more kids and after being in and out of jobs for the past 20 years, has held his factory job for the past 3 years.

Silly me on the other hand stayed in school and finished year 12, worked two jobs until I was 20 and then spent another 20 in the same, respectable job and worked my way up the ladder. I married at 27 and have two girls.

Nothing wrong with either lifestyle choice and Wayne and I remain best mates to this day! Yet Wayne gets a lot of family and health benefits and now gets more tax breaks because of a carbon tax. I get zero.

This scenario is 100% true.

I'm all for helping out the battlers, but there has to be some fairness in the way the carbon tax is worked, and in the current world climate, is the timing right anyway?

This is what pisses me off the most. There's no incentive for low income earners to be more wise with the way they consume energy, because their poor energy habits will be offset, while higher earners will be screwed in the process.

My fiancee and I will be encouraged to turn the television off, cook one extra meal on the barbecue instead of the electric stove and only have the computer on when we're using it because we won't see return on our usage in terms of tax breaks etc, but low income earners can leave their air conditioning on, run two or three televisions at once, knowing full well they will be offset (maybe not fully, but far more generously than I,) for their usage.

Of course I'm only using electricity as an example as the CPRS will affect every facet of our lifestyle not just energy consumption, but it should be treated as a consumption "tax" where you pay for everything you use. Don't like or can't afford high energy bills? Get smarter about saving power. Do you need a TV in every room? Tell the kids to ride a bike or go for a walk instead of sitting on the xBox.

 

[Properossi]

Dropped some rubbish off at the tip the other day it was 3 cardboard boxes of paper and plastic packing with an old fish tank COST = $37 I wonder what the cost will be once the Carbon Tax comes in?

 

[barrytiger]

the carbon tax should be seen as an opportunity not a curse
Unfortunately there will be some pain -loss of jobs and price hikes
But in the long run it should force Australia to become a pioner of sustainable, non polluting technologies which hopefully can be sold internationally
We need to have a commercial edge above international markets
its a time to think long term not short term

what a load of crap,jobs will be lost especially the manufacturing industry, car making any sort of industry that uses energy ,what are we going to have Windmills everywhere? how is a tax going to stop a volcano erupting spewwing carbon and smoke in the Air?i know all the money they make from it and stuff it into the volcano that will stop it people amaze me that they actually want to pay more tax,maybe because they aint paying any. :angry: :angry:

 

[barrytiger]

It's a way to raise money to cover for the waste and needless expenditure.

Some of it is the right thinking, but wrong time, wrong place, wrong everything else.

As I understand it most if not practically all of the money raised is being redistributed in the form of tax breaks to individuals and to boost renewable energy.

Some money is being returned back to low income earners in the form of tax breaks. Apparently I earn too much and will not be getting a single cent.

This is despite the fact that I have used my 'untold wealth' to insulate my house, put in solar hot water, some solar panels on the roof to a limit that I can afford. If I had more money, I'd put more on!

Yet, Wayne who lives down the road and has 3 kids and earns 35K a year and has made no attempt to direct any of his income toward energy efficient living, gets some tax breaks.

How is that fair?

You see, Wayne and I went school together. His Mum & Dad still live together and mine split when I was a kid meaning I came from a single parent family.

Wayne left in year 10, smoked a bit of grass, partied hard and then decided to knuckle down when he got his girlfriend pregnant at 18\. He has since had two more kids and after being in and out of jobs for the past 20 years, has held his factory job for the past 3 years.

Silly me on the other hand stayed in school and finished year 12, worked two jobs until I was 20 and then spent another 20 in the same, respectable job and worked my way up the ladder. I married at 27 and have two girls.

Nothing wrong with either lifestyle choice and Wayne and I remain best mates to this day! Yet Wayne gets a lot of family and health benefits and now gets more tax breaks because of a carbon tax. I get zero.

This scenario is 100% true.

I'm all for helping out the battlers, but there has to be some fairness in the way the carbon tax is worked, and in the current world climate, is the timing right anyway?

Not if you vote Labour or Greens labor used to be for the working class not anymore im a swinging voter guess who i wont be voting for next election

 

[Saturnalia]

what a load of crap,jobs will be lost especially the manufacturing industry, car making any sort of industry that uses energy ,what are we going to have Windmills everywhere? how is a tax going to stop a volcano erupting spewwing carbon and smoke in the Air?i know all the money they make from it and stuff it into the volcano that will stop it people amaze me that they actually want to pay more tax,maybe because they aint paying any. :angry: :angry:

1\. Windmills don't work that way

2\. Volcano's spew out alot of other gasses that are essential to sustaining life on earth.

 

[Swordy]

It's a way to raise money to cover for the waste and needless expenditure.

Some of it is the right thinking, but wrong time, wrong place, wrong everything else.

As I understand it most if not practically all of the money raised is being redistributed in the form of tax breaks to individuals and to boost renewable energy.

Some money is being returned back to low income earners in the form of tax breaks. Apparently I earn too much and will not be getting a single cent.

This is despite the fact that I have used my 'untold wealth' to insulate my house, put in solar hot water, some solar panels on the roof to a limit that I can afford. If I had more money, I'd put more on!
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In that case you'll be saving money from day one since you'll be using less carbon.

I might be saving money after I pay back the 30 grand for this stuff in the first place. Maybe in 15 years I' ll start being ahead.
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