Dragons to pursue Tigers over Moltzen contract backflip

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A legal feud over Tigers five-eighth Tim Moltzen’s contract negotiations with the Dragons last year threatens to overshadow Friday’s much-anticipated clash between the two clubs

Just a few days before their WIN Jubilee Oval showdown, Dragons chief executive Peter Doust confirmed St George Illawarra would proceed with action on two fronts regarding Moltzen’s decision last year to renege on a three-year contract with the club.

The Dragons were in contact with the Accredited Player Agent body last week, fine-tuning the club’s argument against the conduct of Moltzen’s manager, Martin Tauber.

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Separately, the club is assessing its case for damages against Wests Tigers for that club’s refusal to commit to a deed of release when Moltzen signed with the Dragons.

Doust said the club was in the process of ‘‘quantifying the damages claim’’ against the Tigers, but would not be drawn on a deadline for legal proceedings to begin, or a ball-park figure.

‘‘I’m not prepared to comment on what factors go into quantifying the final figure,’’ he said.

‘‘That would be subject to our legal advice and that’s a too-detailed response for me to make.’’

The Dragons announced on July 8 last year that they had signed Moltzen from 2012 onwards, despite Tauber not securing a written release from the Tigers before Moltzen entered into another contract.

The protracted negotiations were originally referred to the NRL, before the Dragons changed tack and decided to pursue the matter themselves.

Players’ Managers boss Neil Cadigan confirmed yesterday that Tauber’s actions were under investigation following a directive from the NRL.

Tauber declined to comment.

‘‘I’m still gathering information from the parties involved, but as is the case with such complaints, we don’t think it’s appropriate to make comment until the matter is finalised,’’ Cadigan said.

‘‘Certainly, there’s been no determination made by the committee at this stage.’’

It’s understood Doust and Tigers boss Stephen Humphreys have not spoken since the feud broke out last year.

Humphreys returned fire yesterday, signalling the Tigers would vigorously defend their actions.

‘‘It’s a bit hard to comment on hypotheticals,’’ he said.

‘‘Nobody likes the threat of legal action but we’re very confident in defending our actions, if it comes to that.

‘‘We’ve said what we’ve wanted to say about it publicly and we’ve moved on.’’

To which Doust replied: ‘‘I’m not surprised by his generalised comment about defences and circumstances, but in saying that, he was always telling me during the whole process that it would be okay and that a release would be signed.’’

Doust rejected suggestions that the timing of his announcement in July - hours before a Wests game - had any impact on the Tigers’ subsequent refusal to formally release Moltzen.

‘‘The convention has always been, in my view, that the club signing the player chooses a time to make the announcement,’’ Doust said.

‘‘When Newcastle announced Beau Scott last week, I didn’t ring up and whinge and moan about that to Newcastle, because that’s the convention.

‘‘In my view, the agreements were made, in this case the contract was signed by the player and his manager in July and the deed of release was a formality that was to occur subsequently.’’

Moltzen is contracted to Wests Tigers until the end of this season.

‘‘We’ve not had any conversation for beyond that at this point,’’ Humphreys confirmed.

‘‘Tim, his manager and ourselves will let Tim play his football and we’ll see where that leads us in the months to come.’’
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Isn'tit amazing what some clubs will do after being flogged by 26 points the week before

The Dragons are acting like a desperate team
 
@happy tiger said:
Isn'tit amazing what some clubs will do after being **flogged by 26 points** the week before

The Dragons are acting like a desperate team

They better get used to it. :smiley:
 
The Dragons sound like a Roy Orbison hit song Crying Crying Crying, & i hope thats what they are doing after the game on Friday night.
 
"Separately, the club is assessing its case for damages against Wests Tigers for that club’s refusal to commit to a deed of release when Moltzen signed with the Dragons."

????? They plan to sue WT for not doing something they were entitled not to do???? Maybe we can sue the NZ Warriors for refusing to concede defeat in last years semi. I mean seriously… :crazy

Doust should put up or shut up. If he thinks he has a case let's see the details. He talks a good talk but if he put as much effort in retaining his players they wouldn't be leaving in droves.
 
Cant blame them… I reckon they have a case to seek damages against Tauber and Moltzen. I cant see how they have a case against the Wests Tigers though?!

Good Luck... Tigers by 10!!!
 
@seijai said:
and in typical Dragon's style, trying to create discomfort a few days before the match…..

Absolutely.

I'd put money on Dragons never launching any action about this.

This is in the realm of Doust claiming Moltzens shoulder was shot…they are trying to appear tough and save face.
 
@happy tiger said:
Isn'tit amazing what some clubs will do after being flogged by 26 points the week before

The Dragons are acting like a desperate team

This was always on the cards that they were going to whinge in the week leading up to this match. I just find it funny how desperate the Steelers and their supporters must be to still be sooking over an average first grader turning their back on them. They must realy need him :slight_smile:
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Cant blame them… I reckon they have a case to seek damages against Tauber and Moltzen. I cant see how they have a case against the Wests Tigers though?!

Good Luck... Tigers by 10!!!

I agree,if Saints had done this to us with a player we wanted,we would be going off too,still beating them on friday would be sweet,it is now up to Tim to prove his worth,and his character.
 
@tigersrule4life said:
‘‘In my view, the agreements were made, in this case the contract was signed by the player and his manager in July and the deed of release was a formality that was to occur subsequently.’’

This really is the point. Without going into the legalities and technicalities - that above quote has always been standard procedure - the signing of release forms is just a formality.

The release was never signed, and then the Lui incident happened - the Tigers then obviously had an opportunity to backtrack because the release never got around to being signed.

The whole saga is odds on to get ugly.
 
@Centaur said:
@tigersrule4life said:
‘‘In my view, the agreements were made, in this case the contract was signed by the player and his manager in July and the deed of release was a formality that was to occur subsequently.’’

This really is the point. Without going into the legalities and technicalities - that above quote has always been standard procedure - the signing of release forms is just a formality.

The release was never signed, and then the Lui incident happened - the Tigers then obviously had an opportunity to backtrack because the release never got around to being signed.

The whole saga is odds on to get ugly.

The whole saga began way before Lui was arrested for the 2nd time. Moltzen wasn't answering Prices phones calls for months before hand remember.
 
@LaT said:
The whole saga began way before Lui was arrested for the 2nd time. Moltzen wasn't answering Prices phones calls for months before hand remember.

Maybe Steve Price needs a copy of "He's just not that into you"…
 
Maybe they will try and pursue a common law estoppel :laughing:

I cannot see how they can possibly quantify the damage they suffered. Absolute long shot that they will follow through on the threat.
 
@LaT said:
@Centaur said:
@tigersrule4life said:
‘‘In my view, the agreements were made, in this case the contract was signed by the player and his manager in July and the deed of release was a formality that was to occur subsequently.’’

This really is the point. Without going into the legalities and technicalities - that above quote has always been standard procedure - the signing of release forms is just a formality.

The release was never signed, and then the Lui incident happened - the Tigers then obviously had an opportunity to backtrack because the release never got around to being signed.

The whole saga is odds on to get ugly.

The whole saga began way before Lui was arrested for the 2nd time. Moltzen wasn't answering Prices phones calls for months before hand remember.

That is simply not true.

Moltzen signs with Dragons mid 2011.
Lui mucks up for the second time in late September 2011.
Moltzen seeks release from Dragons contract early October 2011.
 
@Centaur said:
@LaT said:
@Centaur said:
@tigersrule4life said:
‘‘In my view, the agreements were made, in this case the contract was signed by the player and his manager in July and the deed of release was a formality that was to occur subsequently.’’

This really is the point. Without going into the legalities and technicalities - that above quote has always been standard procedure - the signing of release forms is just a formality.

The release was never signed, and then the Lui incident happened - the Tigers then obviously had an opportunity to backtrack because the release never got around to being signed.

The whole saga is odds on to get ugly.

The whole saga began way before Lui was arrested for the 2nd time. Moltzen wasn't answering Prices phones calls for months before hand remember.

That is simply not true.

Moltzen signs with Dragons mid 2011.
Lui mucks up for the second time in late September 2011.
Moltzen seeks release from Dragons contract early October 2011.

That would be the timeline.

What I am saying is, Moltzen not wanting to leave, Tigers not signing the release and rumours of the whole saga were present all way before Lui was arrested.

Things fell into place when Lui was arrested, but one did not cause the other.
 
Im sorry I just can't agree.

If Robert Lui didn't muck up, Moltzen would be in the red V.

Anyway, this argument has been done over and over - so I will agree to disagree.

As for the impending litigation, I tip an out of court settlement will be reached.
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Cant blame them… I reckon they have a case to seek damages against Tauber and Moltzen. I cant see how they have a case against the Wests Tigers though?!

Good Luck... Tigers by 10!!!

Yep….Tauber is the one who screwed up.
Cant believe the best player on the planet still has this clown for a manager.
Doust basically accused Humphries of lying.....as men Humphries and Moltzen look very poor in all this, but strong legally
 

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