Electric Vehicles (EVs)

[mike]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

Are you Woolworths?

Jokes aside, is that taking into account solar rebates or something?

I forgot I’m not the average electricity consumer. That’s why I redid the calculations at $0.20 per KWh.

Yeah cool I just saw that, $15 for a 75kWh charge is still five fold cheaper than the $70 plus a week it costs to fill a 55 litre car.

I have a company fuel card but I estimated that my fuel spend would be somewhere in the league of $4,500 to $5K annually.

Comparatively, the electricity spend on a Model 3 which has a similar "fuel range" would be $800-$1000 based on $0.2/kWh, for me it would literally be free.

With very low maintenance as well. No oil changes or spark plugs etc. Just tyres, brakes and cabin filter.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Just imagine how much further ahead we would and could be if we had decent government policies. Ridiculous that states have to try to move forward with a federal anchor holding them back.

With the current states' appetite for unlimited power, and borders closing on a whim, I would not hold my breath:anguished:

 

[mike]

Within the NSW announcement there is a pledge to have charging stations every 100km on highways and within every 5km on major roads in Sydney.

 

[hobbo1]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

Are you Woolworths?

Jokes aside, is that taking into account solar rebates or something?

I forgot I’m not the average electricity consumer. That’s why I redid the calculations at $0.20 per KWh.

Yeah cool I just saw that, $15 for a 75kWh charge is still five fold cheaper than the $70 plus a week it costs to fill a 55 litre car.

I have a company fuel card but I estimated that my fuel spend would be somewhere in the league of $4,500 to $5K annually.

Comparatively, the electricity spend on a Model 3 which has a similar "fuel range" would be $800-$1000 based on $0.2/kWh, for me it would literally be free.

With very low maintenance as well. No oil changes or spark plugs etc. Just tyres, brakes and cabin filter.

No more rip off mechanical bills

 

[Vince Farrar]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

 

[mike]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

 

[Vince Farrar]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

I’m not a mechanic Mike I fix them when the get banged up.

 

[mike]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

I’m not a mechanic Mike I fix them when the get banged up.

Gotcha. Until the road networks are fully automated smash repairers won’t be out of a job anytime soon. That is going to take a couple of decades at least or more I think.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Within the NSW announcement there is a pledge to have charging stations every 100km on highways and within every 5km on major roads in Sydney.

It's a very good start, credit where it's due to the NSW government. Big disconnect between NSW Liberals and the Feds though...

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

 

[hobbo1]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

Painter

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

Painter

Yeah true painters are another, wouldn't surprise me if they folded that into a builder's trade but.

 

[hobbo1]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

Painter

Yeah true painters are another, wouldn't surprise me if they folded that into a builder's trade but.

No way ...builders are butchers

We’re the craftsmen of the building trade ..

 

[mike]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

Painter

Yeah true painters are another, wouldn't surprise me if they folded that into a builder's trade but.

No way ...builders are butchers

We’re the craftsmen of the building trade ..

Indeed you are.

 

[hobbo1]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

Painter

Yeah true painters are another, wouldn't surprise me if they folded that into a builder's trade but.

No way ...builders are butchers

We’re the craftsmen of the building trade ..

Indeed you are.

I love giving carpenters shit ?

“Don’t worry I’ll make your work look great”

No more gaps .. carpenter in a tube
Builders bog .. builder in a can

I said to a tiler the other month ..
“Do your best ..grout the rest” ?

 

[TCL]

I’m sure there will be one in my garage within the next 5 years because they are the way of the future they will be great for the environment and so on.

But I can’t get passionate about ev’s. I love the roar of a v8 or the buzz of a rotary or turbo, even the rattle of a diesel. I love changing the oil, filters, plugs and leads. Love washing them after a Sunday drive and parking them away ready for the next run.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

ATM huge money is invested in the autonomous cars (Google, Tesla etc.). The idea is not just that the cars will be self-driving, but also the car ownership will be no more.
The idea is that (at least in the urban areas), the cars will be used as today's Uber without a driver. Some statistics show that cars are used only 4% of the time, and 96% of the time they are parked - wast of resources - car, car expenses, parking etc.
As all innovations there will be resistance, but the governments may make the car ownership very expensive, and close all parking. So even if someone has a car, they would not be able to park it anywhere.
I don't think this will work in the rural areas, especially in countries like Australia, as the time to get a car to a remote location will be unacceptable.

 

[cktiger]

No thanks.
Get my electric buzz on the dodgem cars.

 

[voice_of_reason]

ATM huge money is invested in the autonomous cars (Google, Tesla etc.). The idea is not just that the cars will be self-driving, but also the car ownership will be no more.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out once Apple throws its hat in the ring. They've been working on autonomous vehicles for several years and have the resources and expertise to shake up the industry. They've been poaching staff from Tesla and Porsche and have negotiated with Hyundai regarding manufacture.

What you're saying about car ownership also fits in with the way everything is moving - no need (or ability) to buy something, just pay a subscription for a provided service.

We live in interesting times.

 

[the_third]

I don't have a garage, so it's never going to happen for me.