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[jadtiger]

The dot points of what the fans on did not mention that Isaac Mo$es is a grub. I think that will be an almost universal view among forum members

Yes he is but the players he manages for are supposedly men who should be able to make up their own minds and over rule him in their decisions.Unfortunately 3 out of 5 are lemmings(Brooks Nofo stay)

 

[OzLukeH]

The dot points of what the fans on did not mention that Isaac Mo$es is a grub. I think that will be an almost universal view among forum members

Yes he is but the players he manages for are supposedly men who should be able to make up their own minds and over rule him in their decisions.Unfortunately 3 out of 5 are lemmings(Brooks Nofo stay)

Exactly right. They are grown men acting like two year olds throwing their toys out of the cot. By not saying what their intentions are by deadline shows they have no minerals in them to show courage of their convictions. It reflects their attitude towards the club and fans….typical me first everybody else nowhere attitude of some young people these days

 

[haberfield_tiger]

Can I ask your opinions on why you say we have troubles at board level?

It seems because they are going about business in a sound and quiet professional manner they are somehow inept, but to be perfectly honest, if it wasnt for the malicious media scrutiny Marina Go seems to attract, at a purely business level, we have been moving in a positive direction.

As much as many wanted Taylor gone, the board couldnt remove Taylor the same year they had him hatchet Farah, especially due to KPI's considering we finished 9th. On that front we need to divorce what needed to be done, and how to achieve it within the professional landscape.

I hang my hat on an old post of mine where I stated Cleary wouldnt touch us with a barge pole. Turning that around was a massive coupe. Cleary wasnt a budget signing by any means, and the autonomy he demaded wasnt something we would have relinquished in the past.

The COE proposal is outstanding, unparalleled by any NRL club, and something we have obviously never had fly since inception.

Finally onto the current contract fiasco… in weaker times we pandered to player demands. We cut Potter loose when he was perfectly correct in calling for a 2yr RF contract instead of the 4 we gave him. In the past month we demonstrated we learnt from that saga, allowed Cleary the power to re-evaluate their contract offers, and acted accordingly to the budget he proposed necessary to be successful.

I am not being smart.... how has the board failed us?

Smartest post i have read here in ages.. Total agree..

 

[Tigerdave]

Not just on here but facebook as well, vast majority are happy with Cleary and how he has handled everything and pretty filthy at the players leaving or more importantly, how they are leaving

 

[Eddie]

I think the board have failed us in several ways.

They backed JT - Who I thought was a poor appointment (but some could argue he did a decent job)

Which Took out Farah and alienated some of the fans.

Then Sacked JT 3 weeks into the season after backing him to the hilt all summer.

Seems like policy on the run.

We are paying for players to play elsewhere. All our players were off contract at the same time.

No, I distinctly recall you supporting the JT appointment. You posted that you had inside mail that he blew the board away with his preparation for the interview whereas Potter simply expected the role. I even recall you attended a fan forum that Taylor presented at and was impressed with his analysis of our defensive problems under Potter and Sheens.

JT may not have been the right man for the job but his record was no worse than Potter. JT was also a change agent. He came in and gave an honest assessment of some of the players on the list and their longevity.

The sacking of JT was the right decision and it was the right timing. Our performance in 2016 wasn't great but it was enough to stick with him. The problem was that our performances in rounds 2 and 3 were so poor it was clear that JT was getting the traction and improvement from the players. Most concerning was that our edge defence simply hadn't improved.

From a qualitative assessment, JT had to go.

Your post also misconceives a board's role. No one expects them to be Nostradamus and make all the right decisions. Rather, so long as they are listening to the experts on decisions like coach recruitment, player retention etc that is all that can be expected. Their job is to create the systems and process to build for success. From all reports the Board had tried to do that although there have been blockers - being people that don't like change - Siro Sr, Farah etc are just some of the examples.

Your preaching to the converted mate.

You have a good memory Southern, better then mine!

I di not attend any fan forum however I think there was one live streamed from memory on the Tigers website.

Your right, Southern what I should have said ia after about 6 weeks of football I thought JT was a poor appointment. At the start I had hope for Taylor I made some positive posts about him. Although if you recall I was not in favour of firing Potter, as you were. However I did also say in the Pre season I didn't like the way he bagged past coaches and did not like the job he did at Souths and how that finished. After that Taylor ball garbage and ringing up a radio station live on air to defend himself North Queensland I was off him completely.

Was it after it came out that Taylor wanted to move Farah on that you thought he was a bad coach Eddie?

Not at all.

I can go and dig up posts from the 2015 pre season and Round 5-6 if you want?

The Robbie story did not surface until about Round 20.

 

[fergiefurr]

agree Eddie, all fans seems behind the club for the firts time in forever

the worst part about it for me is that the media are reporting it as if it the fans for all ropable at the club. then again they're being fed what to say by player managers so what do we expect.

 

[Eddie]

No, I distinctly recall you supporting the JT appointment. You posted that you had inside mail that he blew the board away with his preparation for the interview whereas Potter simply expected the role. I even recall you attended a fan forum that Taylor presented at and was impressed with his analysis of our defensive problems under Potter and Sheens.

JT may not have been the right man for the job but his record was no worse than Potter. JT was also a change agent. He came in and gave an honest assessment of some of the players on the list and their longevity.

The sacking of JT was the right decision and it was the right timing. Our performance in 2016 wasn't great but it was enough to stick with him. The problem was that our performances in rounds 2 and 3 were so poor it was clear that JT was getting the traction and improvement from the players. Most concerning was that our edge defence simply hadn't improved.

From a qualitative assessment, JT had to go.

Your post also misconceives a board's role. No one expects them to be Nostradamus and make all the right decisions. Rather, so long as they are listening to the experts on decisions like coach recruitment, player retention etc that is all that can be expected. Their job is to create the systems and process to build for success. From all reports the Board had tried to do that although there have been blockers - being people that don't like change - Siro Sr, Farah etc are just some of the examples.

Your preaching to the converted mate.

You have a good memory Southern, better then mine!

I di not attend any fan forum however I think there was one live streamed from memory on the Tigers website.

Your right, Southern what I should have said ia after about 6 weeks of football I thought JT was a poor appointment. At the start I had hope for Taylor I made some positive posts about him. Although if you recall I was not in favour of firing Potter, as you were. However I did also say in the Pre season I didn't like the way he bagged past coaches and did not like the job he did at Souths and how that finished. After that Taylor ball garbage and ringing up a radio station live on air to defend himself North Queensland I was off him completely.

Was it after it came out that Taylor wanted to move Farah on that you thought he was a bad coach Eddie?

For mine his opinions on both the board and Taylor were/are at least somewhat clouded by his feelings for Farah. I enjoy his/your (Eddie) contributions via posts and audio casts, but always feel some ire is filtering through, even possibly unwittingly at times.

Being firmly placed on the other side of said fence as far as wanting Robbie gone asap, whilst still cheering him on if chosen, I may be reading too much into it, but doubt it.

Former guest I was hammered for my support of Farah.

Because I formed the opinion the problems in our club ran much deeper then him.

He was a very easy whipping boy. Blame the culture on Robbie, Blame the results on Robbie. Robbie was the coach killer. 2017 was meant to be the year we made the finals and had no distractions ? :laughing:

Yet 3 Rounds in in the season without him and JT is barry gone ski! All the big name players wanted out! Team playing with little morale or leadership.

I did say I hope Farah so he can go and enjoy his football somewhere else, given the toxic situation. It was best for both parties given the toxic environment. Doesn't mean I agreed one bit with how he was treated.

We have seen what has happened this year - I really don't think I need to add any more then that!. I just find it hugely ironic now given what most the fans thing of some of our other players (rightly so). Players that were meant to carry the club into a bold new era without the drama of Robbie.

I'm also not someone that will lock down on an opinion and stick to it rigidly. I will always give credit where credit is due. I thought the way JT handled being sacked was classy - and some of the words he had to say about these players owning the club rang true, This club had bent over backwards for these blokes and they owed the club to take us to the Semi Finals. The fact they are leaving no and the way they have handled it actually made me fell a bit sorry for JT. However I believe his stance on Farah and the actions he took went some way towards tipping these players out of the club. They saw how a club could treat a player of that stature in the game. I think people would be naive to sau it didn't play any role in the players thinking.

These players have far surpassed Farah is terms of complete disregard for the club and its fans.

 

[jirskyr]

Can I ask your opinions on why you say we have troubles at board level?

It seems because they are going about business in a sound and quiet professional manner they are somehow inept, but to be perfectly honest, if it wasnt for the malicious media scrutiny Marina Go seems to attract, at a purely business level, we have been moving in a positive direction.

As much as many wanted Taylor gone, the board couldnt remove Taylor the same year they had him hatchet Farah, especially due to KPI's considering we finished 9th. On that front we need to divorce what needed to be done, and how to achieve it within the professional landscape.

I hang my hat on an old post of mine where I stated Cleary wouldnt touch us with a barge pole. Turning that around was a massive coupe. Cleary wasnt a budget signing by any means, and the autonomy he demaded wasnt something we would have relinquished in the past.

The COE proposal is outstanding, unparalleled by any NRL club, and something we have obviously never had fly since inception.

Finally onto the current contract fiasco… in weaker times we pandered to player demands. We cut Potter loose when he was perfectly correct in calling for a 2yr RF contract instead of the 4 we gave him. In the past month we demonstrated we learnt from that saga, allowed Cleary the power to re-evaluate their contract offers, and acted accordingly to the budget he proposed necessary to be successful.

I am not being smart.... how has the board failed us?

Smartest post i have read here in ages.. Total agree..

x2

 

[earl]

Some great posts on this thread. I think that this is an amazing situation because we've had a couple of players who are good players but not great players who believe they get to demand anything at all they want.

Here are some random points that I see:-

1\. Robbie was treated extremely poorly. He should have been picked in first grade last year and he should be here this year. He should also have been pushed out next year or given a contract to play reserve grade. He isn't a quality first grade player anymore.
2\. The board have handled all this drama as well as they possibly could.
3\. The classless 3 are sad excuses of human beings. They are spoilt petulant children and they have no class at all. They are an embarrassment to this club, their families and all most importantly the supporters or our club.
4\. Clearly seems to be a good coach and he appears to have the backing of the board. I'd like to give him some time to build a quality squad based on having good people as well as players in the team.
5\. We cannot afford to judge players just on their ability to play football. Tedesco to me is the best example of this. He is a quality player but a classless human being. If the club realises they have a judas on their hands we are better off getting rid of them as quickly as possible. I think Mitchell Moses and Woods fit into this bucket as much as Tedesco but Tedesco is actually a quality player as well.

 

[jirskyr]

Former guest I was hammered for my support of Farah.

Because I formed the opinion the problems in our club ran much deeper then him.

He was a very easy whipping boy. Blame the culture on Robbie, Blame the results on Robbie. Robbie was the coach killer. 2017 was meant to be the year we made the finals and had no distractions ? :laughing:

Yet 3 Rounds in in the season without him and JT is barry gone ski! All the big name players wanted out! Team playing with little morale or leadership.

Honestly Eddie I think a very small % of people think Farah was THE problem at Tigers. I personally don't think we should have moved him on, but above that I respected the authority of the coach to make the call. If you don't give senior people the power to make decisions, they are just useless puppets. So the Farah call was made, it sucked, but Farah is not the club.

Then Farah's behaviour lost a lot of people over that time. He did the total opposite of Woodesco, rather than remain aloof and inconsistent, he dug his heels in and was dragged kicking and screaming. It was every bit the media circus we have now.

Ultimately though I think Farah will be respected more for his departure, even if unsavoury, than the piss-weak way Woodesco have wound out their time here.

But very few people are naive enough to think removing Farah would solve everything. You underestimate your fellow forum members if that is what you think.

 

[Telltails]

Sorry fellas I dont agree.
If the people in charge cant put together a competitive roster then the fans are set up for heartache year in year out. There job is to recruit an retain by operating a club that players and fans can be proud of
You cant tell me they have done that?
Just look back a little at the rubbish that occurred last year and the year before?
If you keep making excuses for the decisions made that have made our club a laughing stock with every NRL supporter other than us, well how on earth can you expect the perception of this organisation to change?
We have created an image problem Teddy and Woods know that and thats why they got out. Love them or hate them at the moment they put themselves first instead of putting faith in a club that has constantly been a disappointment. Yes they have been part of that but as individuals they have performed well enough to reach rep level and attract high level interest from rival clubs.
I dont think for minute it was an easy decision and it stunk how it has played out during the season but that is the fault of our system - and where alot of anger should be directed at because this would have been far less impactful if there was a contract window in the off season.
The appointment of Cleary has been a step in the right direction but to suggest that the club cant be held accountable for its role in all of this is way off the mark in my view.
Im angry at the whole situation and if your angry at the players without being angry at the management that have the power to make decisions that reflect on the club we support, well in my opinion you may as well stick your head in the sand.
We have have got a long road back starting with recruitment.