Farah

[Tigermama]

Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Well said Geo. i just :unamused: at some of the posts on this thread.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

That's just not a balanced argument. Taylor has taken a team who is onside and free of injuries along with the full support of the board and CEO to practically last on the table.
Potter had a team that he had no control over in terms of signings, riddled with injuries running 5th or thereabouts before the CEO decided it wasn't good enough and Farah, Payten, Farah's minions & the board all turned on him to the point where the players basically switched off for the last 6 weeks or so of the season to have them finish in a higher position than they are this year. I hated the way potter was treated - still do.
As for Farah, I've really appreciated his toughness over the years, his guidance and his determination, but seriously, his time is up. I don't care how good he's been. You don't sign people fro a mill because they've been good for a long time.

Yours is a Potter apologist's argument.

I am not a mad Taylor fan, far from it. There are very many arguments for all our coaches about why they might not have succeeded in given seasons.

So for example, perhaps Taylor is not getting the best out of his squad because of:
- previously-installed salary cap pressures
- supportive but business-focused (not from rugby league background) board
- pressures from NRL-bailout and weakness of Balmain financial position
- late hiring and limited control over of first-year recruitment and retention
- pre-existing long-term junior retention strategies
- mid-year resignation of CEO

Not saying these are all true, but they are potential arguments. Same as you have totally valid arguments for why Potter was somewhat hamstrung.

But those who want Taylor removed NOW make the argument that the coach is firstly judged by the results, not the conditions in which the results were achieved. They also tend to dismiss statistical arguments because "there are too many other factors that can influence results";for example, where points conceded might be improved compared to 2014, they counter that things like injury tolls, weather, time of day all have an impact and render such statistics too flexible / too difficult to analyse.

I am not opposed to this argument, if the same argument is used for all parties. Fair enough, chuck out the for/against or missed tackles stats, if you chuck it out for all coaches.

But certainly you can't say that Taylor needs to go because his team is 2nd last, when his predecessor did not do any better. At least let Taylor have his second season - every Tigers coach apart from Junior has had at least 2 seasons - to see what he can do.

And if Potter lost support of Farah and "minions", if such a faction really exists and you really know how the internal machinations of the club work, then that is just another example of how he failed to get the best from his troops and to work with the tools he had.

People still call Tim Sheens "teflon", but at least the dude was not being crippled by club politics for most of his 10 season run.

All season he's said judge me at the end. Well, it's just about judgement day. i'm not saying he should go as we can't afford anyone else, but I judge him a complete failure. When we come last again next year perhaps then he might go - probably not as we;ll still be in the same financial position. Our main issue last year was the CEO in my opinion - well along with the board and Farah. At least Taylor doesn't have that to worry about. Look, no doubt Taylor went in there saying this is gonna be a 3-4 year plan. This way he's able to secure his future for a bit and keep the hounds at bay whilst our team stumbles from one game to the next and he's been given that leeway. But Potter was never given anything other than bucket loads of crap from all around him. There's no comparison.

 

[Tigermama]

Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Don't forget to send me a copy of next years form guide !!!
Waiting …............. "Crickets"
:roll

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I'm with Geo and I posted in the other thread about this. Criticism for Farah is barely warranted, and calls for his removal are ludicrous.

I also seriously cannot believe I am reading comments here about Potter being the guy we should have kept, that Potter had it right, knew what needed to be done etc. etc.

So apparently the buck stops with the coach and JT should be sacked right now because we are 15th, however Potter should have been given another go because he managed 13th and 15th.

Turn it up. I would expect criticism and upset fans, warranted, after such a bad year. But let's not go right off the rails.

Yep…Some people post without thinking first.... :sunglasses:

 

[Tigermama]

It would be wonderful if by moving on Farah or sacking Taylor would solve all our problems and make us into a real force in the NRL. In reality we have basically a average roster and even Thurston would struggle. We always focus on individuals, when in fact its a team game. As others have said, it is very hard for Farah to do his stuff when the forwards are not going forward. Also in the past couple of weeks and especially last week they were forced to make a heap of tackles due poor discipline and poor options, that is always going to bring you undone.

I am still willing to give Taylor, Farah and the kids another half season before I start calling for blood

Good to read a bit of common sense, on a Footy Forum Supercoach. :wink:

 

[MightyMaggy]

The whole Farah/Potter fall out was because Robbie wanted a 4yr deal, and Potter wanted him signed for 2yrs, and reassess after the 2 years was up. This was when Robbie turned on Potter and instructed the other players that Potter wasn't the Coach for them. My boss is very close friends with Potter.

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I don't usually believe the rumours posted on this forum but i reckon you are on the money. Biggest mistake was letting Potter go.

True story mate. I'm not boasting that I know Potter because I don't. My boss and he are very close. **Halatau actually apologised to Mick about what the players did to his career**

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At Round 20 last year, the NRL table was:-
Round 20 Ladder
MW 18 30 +130
SS 18 26 +148
PN 18 26 +60
CB 18 26 +30
SR 18 24 +120
MS 18 24 +2
NQ 18 22 +86
BR 18 22 +60
NZ 18 22 +54
SI 18 22 -47
**WT 18 22 -68**
PR 18 22 -96
TI 18 20 -66
NC 18 16 -94
CN 18 14 -133
CS 18 14 -186

Then, the results were:-
Storm 28 WT 6
Cowboys 64 WT 6
Roosters 48 WT4
Dogs 30 WT 10
Canberra 27 WT 12
Sharks 26 WT 10

For these six matches the point for were 48 and against 223\. If the team did not turn it up to get rid of Potter, what did happen?
This year has the same smell as last year to me.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Bit of respect wouldn't go astray…

Farah has carried this Club on his back for years ...form is temporary

Maybe so, but is he now just too big for us? Too well paid? Is his focus still on playing club football or are the WT just a support act?

I find it interesting that one of the first things Taylor did was to meet Farah one out and not in the context of the team. That always smelled bad to me as it raised Farah above the team. In my book that was a strategic mistake. He should have met with Farah with the team first and then had a captains chat at a later date. Too late now.
Sure Farah is a good/great individual player. Rugby league is a team sport.
Howls for Potters blood, now howls for Taylors blood….........hmmmmmm

 

[batboy]

I just don't where Farah is at to be honest…
- The only people that rate him are WT's fans.

I have mates in the game that have been involved in the game for 50+ years that are adamant we will never be a force in the NRL while he is our captain and hooker. He simply has no respect in the game...
I have friends in the know at Parra that laugh at the fact we kept him and are glad he is nowhere near their team.
He costs us similar money to a Cronk, Smith, Thurston, Inglis or Foran...
But on field we are getting a DeGois or a Ballin. Solid... And that's all.
And at the moment - No where near an Ennis....

People wanna talk leaders, I suggest you look at his leadership under the posts when Canberra scored those soft tries against us a few weeks back...
When you pay for a Cronk, A Foran, An Inglis, Smith or Thurston You expect someone who is leading by example and rallying his team at every given moment.
Not a ball hog who stands away on his own and sulks when the chips are down.

I've read more than one report that Farah may be forced to look at his skills outside Footy (Referring to his cooking is my guess) after 2016.
He needs to lose the attitude, Quit pretending he's too good for this side and get on with actually leading this team - Or stand aside so someone else can....

He's going backwards at a rapid rate of knots and hasn't done himself any favours in the last 18 months...

 

[NT_Tiger]

The whole Farah/Potter fall out was because Robbie wanted a 4yr deal, and Potter wanted him signed for 2yrs, and reassess after the 2 years was up. This was when Robbie turned on Potter and instructed the other players that Potter wasn't the Coach for them. My boss is very close friends with Potter.

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I don't usually believe the rumours posted on this forum but i reckon you are on the money. Biggest mistake was letting Potter go.

True story mate. I'm not boasting that I know Potter because I don't. My boss and he are very close. Halatau actually apologised to Mick about what the players did to his career

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If this is true it's a disgrace, not only from the perspective of undermining Potter, but the method used. If this is so how can anyone defend Farah as a WT player worthy of respect?

 

[Ryde_Oval]

When was the last time Milkbar made a break from dummy half??? Parra Stadium Friday Night Game 2009\. 7 years!!! Look how quick young Cherington is at dummy 1/2 with both passes from the ground and darts! Young Liddle in the U/20's is a btter option then MILKBAR! "IF" the joint had any idea…even young Martin U/20's 5/8 instead of letting him sign with the Panthers could have been used at number 9!! To let this kid go is beyond me....Hang they signed Lovett.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

I just don't where Farah is at to be honest…
- The only people that rate him are WT's fans.

I have mates in the game that have been involved in the game for 50+ years that are adamant we will never be a force in the NRL while he is our captain and hooker. He simply has no respect in the game...
I have friends in the know at Parra that laugh at the fact we kept him and are glad he is nowhere near their team.
He costs us similar money to a Cronk, Smith, Thurston, Inglis or Foran...
But on field we are getting a DeGois or a Ballin. Solid... And that's all.
And at the moment - No where near an Ennis....

People wanna talk leaders, I suggest you look at his leadership under the posts when Canberra scored those soft tries against us a few weeks back...
When you pay for a Cronk, A Foran, An Inglis, Smith or Thurston You expect someone who is leading by example and rallying his team at every given moment.
Not a ball hog who stands away on his own and sulks when the chips are down.

I've read more than one report that Farah may be forced to look at his skills outside Footy (Referring to his cooking is my guess) after 2016.
He needs to lose the attitude, Quit pretending he's too good for this side and get on with actually leading this team - Or stand aside so someone else can....

He's going backwards at a rapid rate of knots and hasn't done himself any favours in the last 18 months...

Think you nailed it there batboy.

Waiting for the "have some respect" posts.

 

[greatodensraven]

I just don't where Farah is at to be honest…
- The only people that rate him are WT's fans.

I have mates in the game that have been involved in the game for 50+ years that are adamant we will never be a force in the NRL while he is our captain and hooker. He simply has no respect in the game...
I have friends in the know at Parra that laugh at the fact we kept him and are glad he is nowhere near their team.
He costs us similar money to a Cronk, Smith, Thurston, Inglis or Foran...
But on field we are getting a DeGois or a Ballin. Solid... And that's all.
And at the moment - No where near an Ennis....

People wanna talk leaders, I suggest you look at his leadership under the posts when Canberra scored those soft tries against us a few weeks back...
When you pay for a Cronk, A Foran, An Inglis, Smith or Thurston You expect someone who is leading by example and rallying his team at every given moment.
Not a ball hog who stands away on his own and sulks when the chips are down.

I've read more than one report that Farah may be forced to look at his skills outside Footy (Referring to his cooking is my guess) after 2016.
He needs to lose the attitude, Quit pretending he's too good for this side and get on with actually leading this team - Or stand aside so someone else can....

He's going backwards at a rapid rate of knots and hasn't done himself any favours in the last 18 months...

Hard to argue with that. RE: that Canberra game I remember someone saying that Siro was the one actually yelling out orders to the team to get them to aim up.

Time to hand over the banner I think, maybe not to Siro but to someone in the younger brigade.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Sooooooo….he's free to go then. Best news I've heard for a long time. It's been an enjoyable journey Robbie. Best wishes for the future.