Finals week 1, 2025 discussion

Merlot said:
they will probably rub 1 out to push the point their in charge , The Judiciary is very fluid of late , drawing a line in the ever shifting sands doesn't stand up to the pub test. Right call or not .Nicho was not a hip drop the other week ,and the juggernaut progresses onward Ed 3-4 weeks
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Well I was just wrong , how the hell did Walsh get off , I bet if that was a no name player he would have been sent off and copped a 3-4 weeks , this is getting so wrong , certain teams are getting kit glove treatment
 
bptiger 0 said:
Well I was just wrong , how the hell did Walsh get off , I bet if that was a no name player he would have been sent off and copped a 3-4 weeks , this is getting so wrong , certain teams are getting kit glove treatment
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The NRL just can’t have their superstars miss big games. Same with slater getting off years ago or critter last week or so with the facial grab
 
bptiger 0 said:
Well I was just wrong , how the hell did Walsh get off , I bet if that was a no name player he would have been sent off and copped a 3-4 weeks , this is getting so wrong , certain teams are getting kit glove treatment
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It's a business, Walsh draws eyeballs, clicks, ticket sales. I don't agree with it as it looked an obvious attempt at a headbutt (don't think he actually connected) so maybe 10 in the bin and a fine was punishment enough.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
It’s a concern for the Raiders that they don’t have someone who can ice games like that. Any time they have gotten out of jail this year, it’s been through try’s and penalty goals. Fogarty hasn’t stood up, and for as good as Strange is, he isn’t the guy in that situation.
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It's a classic Tigers-style loss.

Simple answer is Raiders should never have been mown down with the lead they had. At home with all the running, you eliminate the errors, make your tackles and go on and win. Every chance Broncos get desperate, they throw a loose pass and you win by 20.

Instead they gave Broncos the sniff. Tigers do it all the time, they don't know how to close out a match when the opponent starts to chance their hand. Raiders themselves additionally had a few chances to take or set up for a field goal and they were mostly butchered. They shouldn't have given Broncos the number of sniffs they got.

Personally however I'm not a fan of the charge-down leg contact penalty. It's one thing when the guy is putting up a bomb and you have all the capacity to judge your run, but when it's a FG there's a different level of desperation. It's also less fair because you aren't simply putting pressure on the kicker, you are always trying to charge down a FG and that usually gets very close to legs contact.

Isn't it the ultimate irony though, didn't we lose a match to Raiders a year or two ago when IP made legs contact when Fogarty attempted a FG?
 
twentyforty said:
Young ran more than 10mts to shirt front a player who was off the play. Walsh was entitled to stand his ground and should never have been sent off. OTOH, the decision to send Young to the bin was correct imo.
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Hudson Young generally deserves the bin for being an all-round pillock. I don't personally think he deserved the bin for getting in Walsh's face, but I'm not entirely against it.

Personally I think this is justification again for the 5-minute sin bin, where those medium offences can get a medium penalty. You send Young for 5 for being a pillock and Walsh for 10 for the head-butt. Nobody gets off scot-free.
 
mikey said:
Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons - Wonder if people still think Maguire can't coach?
Does help he has some good cattle.
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I think that was put to bed when he won the Origin series. Seems like for most coaches - Tigers are a bridge too far.
 
The Broncos are the juggernaut team of the competition did anyone seriously think the NRL had the balls to rub out their star fullback from the finals, ruining their chances he makes a huge difference.

The whinging coming out of Queensland would be next level.
 
jirskyr said:
Hudson Young generally deserves the bin for being an all-round pillock. I don't personally think he deserved the bin for getting in Walsh's face, but I'm not entirely against it.

Personally I think this is justification again for the 5-minute sin bin, where those medium offences can get a medium penalty. You send Young for 5 for being a pillock and Walsh for 10 for the head-butt. Nobody gets off scot-free.
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A lot could be done in this area. Possibly a system of cards where you have personal and team warnings, 5 min bins, 10 min bins and send offs.

The cards officalise everything rather than it being vague.

It might be too much officialdom though, so I'm undecided on whether it's good to go down that path, but a 5 min bin should definitely be introduced. On the other hand, would it encourage more sin bins? Not sure if I even really want that in the game.
 
coivtny said:
I totally agree with you about goading but Klein refereed that incident different to how it’s been refereed ever. I hate goading but you can’t do a 180 degree turn in officiating without any warning. It was typical Klein partisanship.
I respect your opinion but can you point out any previous incident in our game where the goader was the one penalised and binned. I can’t.
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In most occasions when there is a striking charge the person instigating it is also binned, though typically the penalty goes to the team of the player that was struck. Would need to look in to it to list any actual times.

Most recent incident I can remember however was about 3 weeks ago. Meaney was penalised for goading Burton after a knock on. There was no striking or binning on this occasion.
 
gregjm87 said:
In most occasions when there is a striking charge the person instigating it is also binned, though typically the penalty goes to the team of the player that was struck. Would need to look in to it to list any actual times.

Most recent incident I can remember however was about 3 weeks ago. Meaney was penalised for goading Burton after a knock on. There was no striking or binning on this occasion.
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I'm happy with it as long as it's consistent. The precedent is set. Reading between the lines seems the first binning (for goading), won't happen unless there is a 2nd binning (for striking). Smart operators might be able to use this to their advantage.
 
jirskyr said:
Madge certainly loved the W, don't think I've ever seen a coach more fired up with the victory vibes.
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I recall a similar reaction when we won our first game of his wooden spoon year. It was golden point and Hastings kicked a field goal. There was another golden point game against Souths where it looked like Tom Burgess knocked the ball on, but he actually scored the try. Brooks ran away and scored, but we lost. Madge's celebration reaction followed by his devastation 3 minutes later was pretty funny.
 
gregjm87 said:
In most occasions when there is a striking charge the person instigating it is also binned, though typically the penalty goes to the team of the player that was struck. Would need to look in to it to list any actual times.

Most recent incident I can remember however was about 3 weeks ago. Meaney was penalised for goading Burton after a knock on. There was no striking or binning on this occasion.
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I think the reason Young was penalised yesterday was because Walsh didn't do the knock on and was some metres from the play. Had Young have gone to Shibasaki (who I think knocked it on) and goaded him I doubt anything would have happened. Whether we agree with it or not I can see why Klein penalised Young, because he essentially just picked someone out of a team and started goading them, without that there was no other carry on.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
Madge has done well with his first year with the donkeys but it's what happens in the following years when in the past with his relentless hard training the gloss wears off.

His 1st year with us we finished 9th but it was all downhill from there, same at south's after the premiership win, the players started to complain that they were leaving it all on the training paddock, and were too sore on game day.

Has the old dog learned from the past well I haven't got crystal balls, we will have to wait and see hey.
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I don’t buy the argument that he’s only good the first year. At Souths he won the comp in his 3rd year and most coaches don’t achieve sustained success outside of Cleary and Bellamy.

We got worse after his first year but I believe that was more to do with the back ended contracts of Mbye, Packer etc.
 
I found a similar incident to prettyboy's one yesterday in the archives


I had completely forgot about it, probably because it didn't happen in a semi final 😀

Still think Walsh should have been sent off but it seems that tripping and headbutts these day are ok and only worthy of a fine.
 
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