Gag order required for Hagipantelis and Pascoe

[BAGNF05]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am sick and tired of these two and their love for being quoted in the media.

Pascoe, twice this year, for both Parramatta games give Nicolussi fodder to create 'rivalry' articles in SMH on Moses and Matterson, making us look as if we're talking tough prior to the game and then even more ridiculous when we lost (both games), and dont even get me started on us playing parra twice at bankwest AGAIN...

Hagipantelis, always talking big game about prospective signings and now talking tough in regards to Aloiai... (Dont get me wrong, both sides look bad in this situation). Guess what, no marquee signings and the only real result is continuing an ongoing media circus around the club

This is such a bad look for the club, I cant really think of many other clubs that provide this much cash-for-comment crap chasing media exposure, and the one i can think of was the Broncos last year, and we all know how that panned out...

I used to try and remain positive during these kind of situations, 'It'll blow over', 'I'm sure they know what they're doing' etc etc, but this neverending positioning of WT as a club unable to get a deal done, and as publicly as possible is past a joke..

We can blame the player agents etc for agitating, but the real professional clubs get the deals done behind closed doors without comment in the media, and theyre the ones that remain respectable. Our administration HAVE to start acting professionally, because it hurts as a fan only seeing this club in relation to controversy, as opposed to results.

You won’t get support on here, but you are correct.

They won’t get support on here, because they are wrong.

I sincerely hope they get an advantageous situation out of these Aloiai shenanigans, but if history repeats itself, you will feel the same way

Commercially advantageous = Manly refuse to give up a quality NRL player but find a spare 200k lying around, money is used on frivolous meetings with players looking to use us as a stepping stone.

Josh Aloiai has a solid season at Manly.

Sounds familiar to me.

Spare $200k, but what could we spend that on? As in, is it just a cash payment? Some relief on our cap would be preferable, though I don't know if that's even possible.

We don’t want money we can’t give it away

 

[JD Tiger]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am sick and tired of these two and their love for being quoted in the media.

Pascoe, twice this year, for both Parramatta games give Nicolussi fodder to create 'rivalry' articles in SMH on Moses and Matterson, making us look as if we're talking tough prior to the game and then even more ridiculous when we lost (both games), and dont even get me started on us playing parra twice at bankwest AGAIN...

Hagipantelis, always talking big game about prospective signings and now talking tough in regards to Aloiai... (Dont get me wrong, both sides look bad in this situation). Guess what, no marquee signings and the only real result is continuing an ongoing media circus around the club

This is such a bad look for the club, I cant really think of many other clubs that provide this much cash-for-comment crap chasing media exposure, and the one i can think of was the Broncos last year, and we all know how that panned out...

I used to try and remain positive during these kind of situations, 'It'll blow over', 'I'm sure they know what they're doing' etc etc, but this neverending positioning of WT as a club unable to get a deal done, and as publicly as possible is past a joke..

We can blame the player agents etc for agitating, but the real professional clubs get the deals done behind closed doors without comment in the media, and theyre the ones that remain respectable. Our administration HAVE to start acting professionally, because it hurts as a fan only seeing this club in relation to controversy, as opposed to results.

You won’t get support on here, but you are correct.

They won’t get support on here, because they are wrong.

I sincerely hope they get an advantageous situation out of these Aloiai shenanigans, but if history repeats itself, you will feel the same way

Commercially advantageous = Manly refuse to give up a quality NRL player but find a spare 200k lying around, money is used on frivolous meetings with players looking to use us as a stepping stone.

Josh Aloiai has a solid season at Manly.

Sounds familiar to me.

Spare $200k, but what could we spend that on? As in, is it just a cash payment? Some relief on our cap would be preferable, though I don't know if that's even possible.

We don’t want money we can’t give it away

lol. True, very true.

 

[BAGNF05]

I’ve always said that I wish everything wasn’t played out so publicly when it comes to the club really. However, the same narrative is continuing to be pushed - problems with administration (retention & recruitment including coaches), the team’s culture and the old favourite the coach’s ability to manage the playing group. This agenda is being driven by the media and always has, you need only to look back 3-5 years ago and even during Sheen’s sacking.
There may have been incompetence with previous administration yet the root of our problems is player managers and the NRL’s handling of contracts – Mitch Moses, Matterson, Cleary and Farah( to a degree).
The NRL allowed a player to tank yet another former player was deregistered for something similar IMO.
Matterson and Cleary should’ve also been considered as bringing the game into disrepute.
I no longer care whose fault it was with the Farah contract but why did the NRL never question Ivan for his role in it? – He was the coach who recruited him, constructed a whole team and the NRL still allowed him to wash his hands of it all. Most of our current problems are attributed to his tenure.

Our image and reputation may be tarred because of our own doing however it’s all due to player (and coach) managers, so I don’t understand how the media pin our biggest sufferances back onto us every time, but not disclose that these types are the cause of it all.
The only time I think we really failed(as a club) was during the contract extension period of Moses, Woods, Tedesco and Brooks – the matter could have been taken care of sooner(?) – but then when you consider Isaac Moses was their manager, it’s not too hard to see why it occurred. So I go back to my original statement, player managers have been the most destructive force on us.
I’m glad Lee is taking a stand on it.


well said @Lauren

Some well made points in that, wonder if PVL has even got off the lounge and picked up a newspaper yet.

 

[the_third]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am sick and tired of these two and their love for being quoted in the media.

Pascoe, twice this year, for both Parramatta games give Nicolussi fodder to create 'rivalry' articles in SMH on Moses and Matterson, making us look as if we're talking tough prior to the game and then even more ridiculous when we lost (both games), and dont even get me started on us playing parra twice at bankwest AGAIN...

Hagipantelis, always talking big game about prospective signings and now talking tough in regards to Aloiai... (Dont get me wrong, both sides look bad in this situation). Guess what, no marquee signings and the only real result is continuing an ongoing media circus around the club

This is such a bad look for the club, I cant really think of many other clubs that provide this much cash-for-comment crap chasing media exposure, and the one i can think of was the Broncos last year, and we all know how that panned out...

I used to try and remain positive during these kind of situations, 'It'll blow over', 'I'm sure they know what they're doing' etc etc, but this neverending positioning of WT as a club unable to get a deal done, and as publicly as possible is past a joke..

We can blame the player agents etc for agitating, but the real professional clubs get the deals done behind closed doors without comment in the media, and theyre the ones that remain respectable. Our administration HAVE to start acting professionally, because it hurts as a fan only seeing this club in relation to controversy, as opposed to results.

You won’t get support on here, but you are correct.

They won’t get support on here, because they are wrong.

I sincerely hope they get an advantageous situation out of these Aloiai shenanigans, but if history repeats itself, you will feel the same way

Commercially advantageous = Manly refuse to give up a quality NRL player but find a spare 200k lying around, money is used on frivolous meetings with players looking to use us as a stepping stone.

Josh Aloiai has a solid season at Manly.

Sounds familiar to me.

Its a passable idea, but they should buy out his contract and pay a transfer fee. $200K is well under what we should be looking for.

If they gave us that money you could forward pay someone, pay out someone half way through the year. sign someone. All depends really.

 

[BAGNF05]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am sick and tired of these two and their love for being quoted in the media.

Pascoe, twice this year, for both Parramatta games give Nicolussi fodder to create 'rivalry' articles in SMH on Moses and Matterson, making us look as if we're talking tough prior to the game and then even more ridiculous when we lost (both games), and dont even get me started on us playing parra twice at bankwest AGAIN...

Hagipantelis, always talking big game about prospective signings and now talking tough in regards to Aloiai... (Dont get me wrong, both sides look bad in this situation). Guess what, no marquee signings and the only real result is continuing an ongoing media circus around the club

This is such a bad look for the club, I cant really think of many other clubs that provide this much cash-for-comment crap chasing media exposure, and the one i can think of was the Broncos last year, and we all know how that panned out...

I used to try and remain positive during these kind of situations, 'It'll blow over', 'I'm sure they know what they're doing' etc etc, but this neverending positioning of WT as a club unable to get a deal done, and as publicly as possible is past a joke..

We can blame the player agents etc for agitating, but the real professional clubs get the deals done behind closed doors without comment in the media, and theyre the ones that remain respectable. Our administration HAVE to start acting professionally, because it hurts as a fan only seeing this club in relation to controversy, as opposed to results.

You won’t get support on here, but you are correct.

They won’t get support on here, because they are wrong.

I sincerely hope they get an advantageous situation out of these Aloiai shenanigans, but if history repeats itself, you will feel the same way

Commercially advantageous = Manly refuse to give up a quality NRL player but find a spare 200k lying around, money is used on frivolous meetings with players looking to use us as a stepping stone.

Josh Aloiai has a solid season at Manly.

Sounds familiar to me.

Its a passable idea, but they should buy out his contract and pay a transfer fee. $200K is well under what we should be looking for.

If they gave us that money you could forward pay someone, pay out someone half way through the year. sign someone. All depends really.

I agree we need much more than that, I just doubt it based on past experiences, Lee to his credit seems to be pretty proactive, hoping he’s turning things around.

 

[hodgo]

They can have aloai with an added packer or reynolds

 

[Curaeus]

Aloiai reportedly sent a message to the Club saying, in effect, that he wanted nothing further to do with us ("I won't wear your jersey again") and demanding an immediate release. Not a real smart move when he and his agent presumably knew he was contractually committed to the club for another year and that he needed the Club's agreement to any such release.

 

[CarltonDry]

You'd think the club would have learned after publicly playing out contract dramas with Tedesco, Woods, Moses, Farah, Cleary, Matterson and, now, Aloiai.

Anyone see a pattern?

You forgot Kapow 😳

 

[Swordy]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I am sick and tired of these two and their love for being quoted in the media.

Pascoe, twice this year, for both Parramatta games give Nicolussi fodder to create 'rivalry' articles in SMH on Moses and Matterson, making us look as if we're talking tough prior to the game and then even more ridiculous when we lost (both games), and dont even get me started on us playing parra twice at bankwest AGAIN...

Hagipantelis, always talking big game about prospective signings and now talking tough in regards to Aloiai... (Dont get me wrong, both sides look bad in this situation). Guess what, no marquee signings and the only real result is continuing an ongoing media circus around the club

This is such a bad look for the club, I cant really think of many other clubs that provide this much cash-for-comment crap chasing media exposure, and the one i can think of was the Broncos last year, and we all know how that panned out...

I used to try and remain positive during these kind of situations, 'It'll blow over', 'I'm sure they know what they're doing' etc etc, but this neverending positioning of WT as a club unable to get a deal done, and as publicly as possible is past a joke..

We can blame the player agents etc for agitating, but the real professional clubs get the deals done behind closed doors without comment in the media, and theyre the ones that remain respectable. Our administration HAVE to start acting professionally, because it hurts as a fan only seeing this club in relation to controversy, as opposed to results.

Crawley, Buzz, or whichever player manager this is....Bugger off. You're just a troll and the down votes are showing just how far off the mark you are.

 

[Swordy]

I’ve always said that I wish everything wasn’t played out so publicly when it comes to the club really. However, the same narrative is continuing to be pushed - problems with administration (retention & recruitment including coaches), the team’s culture and the old favourite the coach’s ability to manage the playing group. This agenda is being driven by the media and always has, you need only to look back 3-5 years ago and even during Sheen’s sacking.
There may have been incompetence with previous administration yet the root of our problems is player managers and the NRL’s handling of contracts – Mitch Moses, Matterson, Cleary and Farah( to a degree).
The NRL allowed a player to tank yet another former player was deregistered for something similar IMO.
Matterson and Cleary should’ve also been considered as bringing the game into disrepute.
I no longer care whose fault it was with the Farah contract but why did the NRL never question Ivan for his role in it? – He was the coach who recruited him, constructed a whole team and the NRL still allowed him to wash his hands of it all. Most of our current problems are attributed to his tenure.

Our image and reputation may be tarred because of our own doing however it’s all due to player (and coach) managers, so I don’t understand how the media pin our biggest sufferances back onto us every time, but not disclose that these types are the cause of it all.
The only time I think we really failed(as a club) was during the contract extension period of Moses, Woods, Tedesco and Brooks – the matter could have been taken care of sooner(?) – but then when you consider Isaac Moses was their manager, it’s not too hard to see why it occurred. So I go back to my original statement, player managers have been the most destructive force on us.
I’m glad Lee is taking a stand on it.

Great post Lauren. 100% correct.

To me, there's an agenda for the media against the club and/or Pascoe, and as usual they won't rest until they get a fresh kill. Could be way deeper than any of us understand.

Could be driving us into the ground so we relocate or fold, could be political, could be ego, could be anything.

I'm happy with the current responses. Like any school bully, we stand up and fight and they will move onto the next club.

 

[twentyforty]

Gag order?
Absolutely NO WAY! More of it I say.
I think the leadership group at WT should look for opportunities to publicly ram home the WT principles which underpin our cultural identity. It has probably always existed in the minds of many but when it is on display it gets used. I see a similarity with Lee and Madge joining us with Harry Grant joining the team. Makes others look like they haven’t been doing their job.
I realise some posters will argue that mediocrity exists at other clubs so it’s acceptable, well hello , no it’s not, and it’s time to rejoice in the fact that we have a couple of leaders in the joint.

 

[Honkylips]

The Chairman is a clown. 3 times in 12 months he’s stuck his nose into contract negotiations. Twice he’s come out mid-contract negotiation with 2 marquee players, and run his mouth. Not saying he cost us those players, but he made the club look amateurish. And he still can’t help himself discussing James Roberts. He’s a moron. As for Pascoe, I’ve shared emails with him, he seems like a genuinely decent guy, but take pride in your appearance man. If not for your sake, the clubs.


Very ordinary comment.
Time to give yourself a nice little uppercut.
If you're so gun ho ..... go and tell them personally or is that too far from your keyboard.

What about my comment is incorrect?

1. The Chairman is a clown. - I assume your not one as it takes one to know one.

2. Three times in 12 months he’s stuck his nose into contract negotiations. - His nose is not stuck into anything that he should not be involved with.

3. Twice he’s come out mid-contract negotiation with 2 marquee players, and run his mouth. Not saying he cost us those players, but he made the club look amateurish. And he still can’t help himself discussing James Roberts. - see 2. above.

He’s a moron. - see 1. above.

4. As for Pascoe, I’ve shared emails with him, he seems like a genuinely decent guy, but take pride in your appearance man. If not for your sake, the clubs. - might agree on this one but.

The old saying "The clothes don't make the man.

Exactly. Look at Singo. I met him at the railway Hotel before a Wests Magpies Return to Lidcombe game. He was wearing an old tracksuit jacket along with the daggiest trackies. He is still a brilliant businessman.

 

[Telltails]

Support the club 100% on this. They can keep reinforcing the message as often and as loud as they want till the knucklehead players and managers realise who ultimately pays their way.

 

[hugh1954]

Time for tigers to make their point then back out and stick to our guns just like melbourne did with jac, no need for more talk unless manly of agent have worthwile proposal in private only stipulated

 

[colinbh]

You'd think the club would have learned after publicly playing out contract dramas with Tedesco, Woods, Moses, Farah, Cleary, Matterson and, now, Aloiai.

Anyone see a pattern?

Yes. A lot of unprincipled players and one unprincipled coach.

 

[851]

Aloiai reportedly sent a message to the Club saying, in effect, that he wanted nothing further to do with us ("I won't wear your jersey again") and demanding an immediate release. Not a real smart move when he and his agent presumably knew he was contractually committed to the club for another year and that he needed the Club's agreement to any such release.

He is Matterson’s mate, he got a few tips

 

[Geo]

Wests Tigers fans..I wish our Chair and CEO would just shut up

Also Wests Tigers fans..Why do the media walk all over us with their tabloid gutter trash..someone should say something..

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Aloiai reportedly sent a message to the Club saying, in effect, that he wanted nothing further to do with us ("I won't wear your jersey again") and demanding an immediate release. Not a real smart move when he and his agent presumably knew he was contractually committed to the club for another year and that he needed the Club's agreement to any such release.

He is Matterson’s mate, he got a few tips

Scumbags the 2 of them. Good riddance.

 

[hank37w]

The Chairman is a clown. 3 times in 12 months he’s stuck his nose into contract negotiations. Twice he’s come out mid-contract negotiation with 2 marquee players, and run his mouth. Not saying he cost us those players, but he made the club look amateurish. And he still can’t help himself discussing James Roberts. He’s a moron. As for Pascoe, I’ve shared emails with him, he seems like a genuinely decent guy, but take pride in your appearance man. If not for your sake, the clubs.


Very ordinary comment.
Time to give yourself a nice little uppercut.
If you're so gun ho ..... go and tell them personally or is that too far from your keyboard.

What about my comment is incorrect?

1. The Chairman is a clown. - I assume your not one as it takes one to know one.

2. Three times in 12 months he’s stuck his nose into contract negotiations. - His nose is not stuck into anything that he should not be involved with.

3. Twice he’s come out mid-contract negotiation with 2 marquee players, and run his mouth. Not saying he cost us those players, but he made the club look amateurish. And he still can’t help himself discussing James Roberts. - see 2. above.

He’s a moron. - see 1. above.

4. As for Pascoe, I’ve shared emails with him, he seems like a genuinely decent guy, but take pride in your appearance man. If not for your sake, the clubs. - might agree on this one but.

The old saying "The clothes don't make the man.

Exactly. Look at Singo. I met him at the railway Hotel before a Wests Magpies Return to Lidcombe game. He was wearing an old tracksuit jacket along with the daggiest trackies. He is still a brilliant businessman.

Yeah but Singo is one of those lovable rogues and he'd probably be inclined to shout the bar.

Reminds me of that ad, "I always wanted to do that!"

 

[bigsiro]

I disagree. For too long we have allowed Newscorp to trot all over us. We are always painted as the bad guy. This time we were on the front foot and made sure the narrative was in our favour.

Kazoo you’re going for the record
36👍🏼 and counting
Goin harder than Jimmy the Jet 😃😃😃