Galloway for Origin debut as Merrin exits

[diedpretty]

One good point to come out of the series is that Qld did not score a single point in the whole series while a WT player was on the field.

 

[Blackpearl]

What a joke… Why pick blokes if u are not going to use them effectively??? At least ennis didn't last long.
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i think he did a heartilage

 

[Juro]

I missed all the leadup to the game, so wasn't sure whether Galloway was in the final 17\. Then no appearance in the first half when NSW were under the pump, having to do so much defensive work.

Finally Kieth gets on the field. YAY! I figured he would probably play the rest of the game straight. Didn't really seem to get too involved though…

Then I had to duck out of the room for a few minutes (the joys of a young family). Scanning the blues, I couldn't see him. Surely he wasn't pulled after only 10 minutes! Was he that bad? Injured?? All these terrible thoughts went through my mind...

Glad to hear it is just stupid bloody Stuart screwing around with the bench. Hope Kieth gets another go next year, a real go!

 

[happy_tiger]

KG prob wont play Fri - broken fingernail

I bet he does play and will be giving it to Mannah Mannah went missing tonight

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Sticky is Sheens mark II.

Players out of position, two props playing a combined 20 minutes, backrowers playing prop.

All the hallmarks of a Sheens coached side.

 

[Twodogs]

KG got the same gametime Merrin got. Sticky hasn't given his big front rowers a lot of game time this series (Mannah wouldn't have got 80 minutes across the whole series), and has tried to beat Qld with his smaller forwards. I guess he'll be fresh for Friday and fired up for a big game.

Didn't work, did it! Matt Scott made 20 metres a hit up getting tackled by little blokes. Qld props set the platform but alas, nsw didn't have any to set up a platform! I was waiting for KG to come on to get us some go forward but Ricky knows better :crazy

 

[Tragic_Tiger_Fan]

KG got the same gametime Merrin got. Sticky hasn't given his big front rowers a lot of game time this series (Mannah wouldn't have got 80 minutes across the whole series), and has tried to beat Qld with his smaller forwards. I guess he'll be fresh for Friday and fired up for a big game.

Didn't work, did it! Matt Scott made 20 metres a hit up getting tackled by little blokes. Qld props set the platform but alas, nsw didn't have any to set up a platform! I was waiting for KG to come on to get us some go forward but Ricky knows better :crazy

Spot on, I was at the game tonight and it was clearly evident that Pedro & Scott were ripping us apart up the middle, yet they leave the big fella off. I would be livid if I was KG :imp:

KG should have been placed on the field after 20 minutes. Ricky is a peanut!

 

[Tigerdave]

pathetic use of the bench, what was the point of only giving him 10 minutes?

 

[simonthetiger]

Sticky is Sheens mark II.

Players out of position, two props playing a combined 20 minutes, backrowers playing prop.

All the hallmarks of a Sheens coached side.

Seriously lame call.

Sheens likes big forwards and would have pickedFarah for sure! And we would have had some moves! Pathetic agenda call!!!

 

[benji_da_gun]

To play half the game with no known front rower on the field is just ridiculous. Look at the go forward the Qlders had with Petero and Scott. SOO just pisses me off these days…NSW coaches have no clue when it comes to building a solid platform in attack.

And yet, in today's Daily Telegraph they are already bringing out the 'Stick with Ricky' headlines. Can't wait for next year - maybe he will play some outside backs in the front row...because they are 'more mobile'. FFS!

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Well, after watching the game & having some reflection on it now, my take on the forwards & KG..

1\. Qld showed that having good, big men can lay a platform for your team to win on. Matt Scott was huge in Game 3\. Petro was very solid. The bench didn't let them down. On the flip side- NSW had no real impact up front (props) & I believe suffered from it- despite the success they had in Origin 2\. There is a time & place for mobile forward packs- but they do come with risks- namely an inability to slow a roll-on by a good opposition forward pack, and the potential to really struggle to make consistant meters themselves in 'the muck'. That said- Gallen can officially play any position in the forwards. He is, however, more effective in the back row.

2\. There were some positives for the NSW forwards. Gallen was great all series. I thought Watmough showed a bit as well. Mannah looks a player. If I was in charge I'd start the NSW forwards with Gallen at lock, Watmough & Stewart in the 2nd row. That's a good NSW backrow. The props are an issue. KG, Snowden, Douglas, Mannah- that might be the way to go. Maybe a couple of the giant Raider guys- Picker perhaps? I'd find a spot for Fensom from the Raiders on the bench. I'd argue Farah over Ennis, but I suspect it'll get me nowhere anymore.

3\. The use of KG was poor. Actually- worse than poor. Futile. NSW needed some punch, had a player capable of providing it- but refused to use him. That said- when on, I thought KG 'could' have looked for more work. A few sets of 6 looked primed for KG to throw his hat in the ring & look for an extra hit-up or 2, but he looked a little lost & like he wasn't sure of his responsibilities. Could be nerves- could just be crappy Stuart coaching/game plan. Still- would have liked seeing him go look for it. His defence was sound though. To make KG's lack of game time harder to swallow was the ineffectiveness of Creagh, Bird & Scott. I thought that Origin 3 showed that when you have Gallen & Watmough in your side- it's overkill to add 3 guys that play so similarly. Variety is, after all, the spice of life. A couple of big forwards on the field at all times couldn't have hurt.

4\. Regardless of KG's effectiveness, or Stuart's bad coaching- Qld has a better team. Simple. They have the best fullback, the best halfback, best 5/8 & best hooker. NSW are in trouble before they get on the field. But NSW don't help themselves. Hayne is quite obviously the best fullback NSW can put on the field. Without a world class halfback, Farah would be a great option out of dummy half- but they stick with the far less talented Darren Senter-like Ennis. Sure- a good niggler, and even a fine player in his own right- but not a good foil to Pearce, who can't run the show on his own. Pearce is ok- a solid player, but not creative enough on his own- he needs a 5/8 like Benji to really succeed. Soward….in my opinion, is overrated. He's weak defensively, and I just don't think he provides enough in attack. If NSW are serious about competing, Hayne, Campese, Pearce & Farah give them more spark & opportunity than the current mob.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Sticky is Sheens mark II.

Players out of position, two props playing a combined 20 minutes, backrowers playing prop.

All the hallmarks of a Sheens coached side.

Seriously lame call.

Sheens likes big forwards and would have pickedFarah for sure! And we would have had some moves! Pathetic agenda call!!!

That's rubbish.

Firstly, Farah hardly deserves to be picked this year given his form. Not that I think Ennis is anything but a liability. But point stands. Doubt Farah would have made a difference behind such a beaten pack anyway, not when your coach fills it with backrowers.

Secondly, the similarities between Sticky and Sheens are endless:

- Using only 16 players for all bar nine minutes of the match. Check
- The only two props in the side getting a combined total of 28 minutes. Check.
- A love of playing backrowers at prop. Check.
- Players forced to play 80 minutes despite clear tiredness. Check. (Gallen even had a rib injury and was not given a spell despite both Galloway and Mannah being fresh)
- Picking players out of position. Check.
- Close to the worst interchange use in the game. Check. (Had to laugh when Lewis came on for Mannah, then Mannah never even made it back onto the field)
- Lauded in the media as a great coach. Check.

Back at the Roosters, Sticky used to start Michael Crocker at hooker just to cram as many backrowers on the field as possible, sometimes he even played Flannery at centre as well.

Remember when Sheens started a game against Parramatta with Danny Galea and Corey Payne as our starting props?

Remember when Galloway was ruled out injured in 2008 and he was replaced in the side by Stuart Flanagan, a small hooker who would be lucky to tip the scales at 85kg?

Sticky is a Sheens protege, and it shows.

 

[Knuckles]

Sticky is Sheens mark II.

Players out of position, two props playing a combined 20 minutes, backrowers playing prop.

All the hallmarks of a Sheens coached side.

Seriously lame call.

Sheens likes big forwards and would have pickedFarah for sure! And we would have had some moves! Pathetic agenda call!!!

That's rubbish.

Firstly, Farah hardly deserves to be picked this year given his form. Not that I think Ennis is anything but a liability. But point stands. Doubt Farah would have made a difference behind such a beaten pack anyway, not when your coach fills it with backrowers.

Secondly, the similarities between Sticky and Sheens are endless:

- Using only 16 players for all bar nine minutes of the match. Check
- The only two props in the side getting a combined total of 28 minutes. Check.
- A love of playing backrowers at prop. Check.
- Players forced to play 80 minutes despite clear tiredness. Check. (Gallen even had a rib injury and was not given a spell despite both Galloway and Mannah being fresh)
- Picking players out of position. Check.
- Close to the worst interchange use in the game. Check. (Had to laugh when Lewis came on for Mannah, then Mannah never even made it back onto the field)
- Lauded in the media as a great coach. Check.

Back at the Roosters, Sticky used to start Michael Crocker at hooker just to cram as many backrowers on the field as possible, sometimes he even played Flannery at centre as well.

Remember when Sheens started a game against Parramatta with Danny Galea and Corey Payne as our starting props?

Remember when Galloway was ruled out injured in 2008 and he was replaced in the side by Stuart Flanagan, a small hooker who would be lucky to tip the scales at 85kg?

Sticky is a Sheens protege, and it shows.

Harsh …...... very very harsh :imp:

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Feel free to tell me how it is harsh.

There was even one moment in the second half where Hayne appeared to pack the scrum at second row. Reminded me of Beau Ryan playing lock last week.

 

[stryker]

Not untrue though Knuckles…..

Just on Galloway...what were his stats last night? He looked like a lost little lamb out there I think I saw him make a couple of gang tackles and at least one run - not a debut to remember unfortunately.

 

[Spartan117]

Use of props was not Good, Tim Mannah and Galloway needed more mins.

But Gall didnt really look all that angry to me, I really hope he gets a game 2 because he can be something special.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Not untrue though Knuckles…..

Just on Galloway...what were his stats last night? He looked like a lost little lamb out there I think I saw him make a couple of gang tackles and at least one run - not a debut to remember unfortunately.

9 minutes, 4 runs, 18 metres, 5 tackles, I believe.

He actually made more metres than Mannah (15m), who played 20 minutes.

 

[system]

The problem with leaving a prop debutant on the bench for so long is the amount of energy they burn up just waiting to go on.

Plus I think Galloway was trained to run off Ennis only and he was supposed to structure the plays. Instead you had Gidley making a all you can eat buffet meal out of the PTB.

 

[happy_tiger]

Not untrue though Knuckles…..

Just on Galloway...what were his stats last night? He looked like a lost little lamb out there I think I saw him make a couple of gang tackles and at least one run - not a debut to remember unfortunately.

Stryker When you are usually a starting forward and you are then switched to bench and given maybe 15 minutes of play it is hardly fair to make a comparison . One comment I have heard over the years as a bench player from Origin it is so easy to get lost in the game ,especially in your first few games as everything is so different . Speed of the game , the way is refereed etc . Give Big Keefy a break mate .He and Mannah should of started With Lewis ,Watmough and Gallen as the backrow . Sauce didn't pick the team .

 

[stryker]

Not untrue though Knuckles…..

Just on Galloway...what were his stats last night? He looked like a lost little lamb out there I think I saw him make a couple of gang tackles and at least one run - not a debut to remember unfortunately.

Stryker When you are usually a starting forward and you are then switched to bench and given maybe 15 minutes of play it is hardly fair to make a comparison . One comment I have heard over the years as a bench player from Origin it is so easy to get lost in the game ,especially in your first few games as everything is so different . Speed of the game , the way is refereed etc . Give Big Keefy a break mate .He and Mannah should of started With Lewis ,Watmough and Gallen as the backrow . Sauce didn't pick the team .

Yeah thats my point. He has waited for his turn and when it came he sat on his dot for the majority of the game only to be thrust into the battle for a couple of minutes and then hooked. If he made 4 runs then I didnt notice a couple of them. Not really blaming him at all. More it was an unmemorable debut as he wasnt used fairly by his 'coach'. If he was given 10 in the first half and 10 in the second I'd be singing a different tune.
I will admit I'm not his biggest fan…I dont think he is anywhere near aggressive enough for Origin...but that was unfair from Stuart and I'd hate to see that as his only crack.