God?

[alien]

Also you can't just take some of what Jesus did and say yeah he had some good teachings. You either believe the whole Bible is made up therefore not true or you believe Jesus lived and did all of those things and was the son of god. You can't take out the bits you like and then deny the other bits.

yes you can actually

Sure you can if you want

well if someone spoke to you and said some things that you believe to be true, or things that you thought were good teachings, but then said he was god (which you didnt believe), does that mean that you would necessarily change your mind on all of the other things he said to you that you agreed with???

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I might be going off on a tangent here but what many don't realise (and I'm not inferring that anyone on this forum is amongst that group,) that time is actually a human concept and therefore proving anything (in respect to creation of the universe,) by using that concept is futile? The human mind cannot grasp the idea of "infinite," most probably due to our own mortality and our need to be able to collate events in a logical manner (as we usually do, by means of measurement.)

Everything around us does not last, and it ingrained into our pysche that everything has to have a start and an end. The concept of the "infinite" is not conducive to that. That's why the Big Bang Theory is hard for alot of people to swallow, and the concept that an ominous entity is the source of creation gives is easily acceptable, because that gives the human mind a reference point which is easier to comprehend. It is in keeping with the human psyche that there is always a beginning and an end and therefore a comforting mindset.

PS: I'm thoroughly enjoying some of the posts here. Very surprised that a few people seem to be proponents of the "Intelligent Design" theory.

maybe people exist in a dimension where time exists. maybe time doesnt exist in higher dimensions

That's my point Alien. Time literally doesn't exist in any form. It is a human notion introduced as a unit of measurement used to determine the sequence and duration of events. It's hard to comprehend because it's a concept with you since day dot and you rely on it in so many aspects of life, but the reality is that the concept of time gives the impression that things are finite when they may well not be.

 

[Swordy]

Who's on first?…......

 

[jezz]

Whats is on second

 

[Aladinsane]

On a lighter note…..
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**THE GIRL'S PRAYER**
Our Cash
Which art on plastic
Hallowed be thy name
Thy Cartier watch
Thy Prada bag
In Myer
As it is in David Jones
Give us each day our Platinum Visa
And forgive us our overdraft
As we forgive those who stop our Mastercard
And lead us not into Sportsgirl
And deliver us from Portmans
For thine is the Dinnigan, the Akira and the Armani
For Chanel No.5 and Eternity
Amex.
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**THE BOYS PRAYER**
Our beer
Which art in bottles
Hallowed by thy sport
Thy will be drunk
I will be drunk
At home as it is in the pub
Give us each day our daily schooners
And forgive us our spillage
As we forgive those who spillest against us
And lead us not into the practice of poofy wine tasting
And deliver us from Tequila
For mine is the bitter
The chicks and the footy
Forever and ever
Barmen.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

So you think Xmas day is a make believe day - well which fool made this day up.

It's a pagan holiday celebrating the Winter Solstice, the gift giving is from the Roman Saturnalia celebration which happened at that time, xmas trees came from the German Pagans from memory

what about Easter?

 

[innsaneink]

Can someone just answer the simple original question i posed. Where is the evidence for god?? While it may make people feel all warm and gooey on the inside when they see a sunset or a baby smile or think to themselves 'its just all too big, something has to be behind it' it really doesnt have any bearing on an arguement for the existence of god.

As a non-believer its not my burdon of proof to show god doesn't exist. Im not making that claim. Im saying i dont believe your claim. So where is the proof? Surely if there was even just one peice of evidence everyone (mostly) would believe.

I'd like to hear from someone that is religious to answer this question and not someone thats agnostic like 70% of these replies.

LOL….other people arent here to satisfy you.

Seems you cannot accept others points, others dont have to prove anything to you....people dont have a faith or a belief for someone else, its personal. Seems you dont like that

 

[reyre2000]

By responding to my post which i specifically ask for religious believers to answer i will take to understand you are religious.

This thread was created to ponder the existence of God. I find it insulting and a little dimwitted for you to throw out a line "LOL…..other people arent here to satisfy you." If i was looking for satisfaction i surely would be looking in a different place then talking to the likes of some respondees on this thread.

I dont understand why religious people i.e. you, can't respond in a 'Christian manner' and accept my post for what it is. A simple question asking for evidence of a claim. Your claim, not my claim. I find it astounding that instead of actually adding something to this forum and continueing a debate you go on to say;
"Seems you cannot accept others points" Im yet to read ANY points, besides mindless bable about faith and feeling something thats 'personal' How can someone say "yes i believe in god, but its my god, its personal to me, its only mine, not yours".....what?? Then why is a feeling God, why do you have to make up a god? That makes no sense on so many levels i dont even know where to begin? Instead of making such stuff up, actually give an example to show its something else other then your own consciousness. If you cant debate for your claim then why even bother responding to this thread.

"people dont have a faith or a belief for someone else, its personal" - LOL

"seems you dont like that" - thats a wild claim from nowhere! You are saying asking someone for proof now is insinuating you dont like something? again LOL.

 

[Kul]

I might be going off on a tangent here but what many don't realise (and I'm not inferring that anyone on this forum is amongst that group,) that time is actually a human concept and therefore proving anything (in respect to creation of the universe,) by using that concept is futile? The human mind cannot grasp the idea of "infinite," most probably due to our own mortality and our need to be able to collate events in a logical manner (as we usually do, by means of measurement.)

Everything around us does not last, and it ingrained into our pysche that everything has to have a start and an end. The concept of the "infinite" is not conducive to that. That's why the Big Bang Theory is hard for alot of people to swallow, and the concept that an ominous entity is the source of creation gives is easily acceptable, because that gives the human mind a reference point which is easier to comprehend. It is in keeping with the human psyche that there is always a beginning and an end and therefore a comforting mindset.

PS: I'm thoroughly enjoying some of the posts here. Very surprised that a few people seem to be proponents of the "Intelligent Design" theory.

maybe people exist in a dimension where time exists. maybe time doesnt exist in higher dimensions

That's my point Alien. Time literally doesn't exist in any form. It is a human notion introduced as a unit of measurement used to determine the sequence and duration of events. It's hard to comprehend because it's a concept with you since day dot and you rely on it in so many aspects of life, but the reality is that the concept of time gives the impression that things are finite when they may well not be.

hate to burst your bubble guys but time actually does exist. It can be measured and manipulated, see the "twins paradox".

 

[Montague_Street]

Reyre2000: I agree with the sentiment behind your recent question, "what is the evidence for the existence of god?"
As I've said there is in my opinion NO evidence for god existing. Usually Christians say they don't need evidence because they have "faith".

Insaneink's reply was a breach of this Forum's rules, it was trolling spam.
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[Tigerdave]

So you think Xmas day is a make believe day - well which fool made this day up.

It's a pagan holiday celebrating the Winter Solstice, the gift giving is from the Roman Saturnalia celebration which happened at that time, xmas trees came from the German Pagans from memory

what about Easter?

Easter is the celebration of the Spring Equinox, eggs and rabbits are fertility symbols

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

where does the word "faith'' originate from?

 

[Montague_Street]

"faith" is a word that came into the English language from the Old French in the 13th century. It means trust or belief.
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[AmericanHistoryX]

trust or belief in what?

 

[stryker]

trust or belief in what?

I'd assume in anything…it's not just domain of religion.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

assumptions? okay.

 

[stryker]

You can have faith in anything. I have faith in the tiges this weekend. You have blind faith in your bible…

Why dont you try and answer these stupid questions you keep asking? or are they only designed to get a response?

 

[stryker]

So you think Xmas day is a make believe day - well which fool made this day up.

X there is no evidence whatsoever in the bible that December 25th was the birthday of Jesus Christ.

As for your question re which fool made this day up, if you do a little research you'll find that it was Julius the 1st who decided upon this date in the year 350AD.

 

[tiger_sean]

Also you can't just take some of what Jesus did and say yeah he had some good teachings. You either believe the whole Bible is made up therefore not true or you believe Jesus lived and did all of those things and was the son of god. You can't take out the bits you like and then deny the other bits.

yes you can actually

Sure you can if you want

well if someone spoke to you and said some things that you believe to be true, or things that you thought were good teachings, but then said he was god (which you didnt believe), does that mean that you would necessarily change your mind on all of the other things he said to you that you agreed with???

His teachings were very good which makes me more inclined to believe him when he says he is the son of god. People who are saying there isn't enough existence that God exists, there isn't really enough evidence to back up anyones beliefs. No-one here can say 100% for sure the world came about this way or this will happen after we die. Hypothetically lets say I am totally wrong about christianity what have I lost? Nothing I would have lived a pretty good life and nothing would happen after death. If I am right I will get to live eternity with God in heaven. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. BTW for the sceptics I suggest reading a book called 'The case for christ' by Lee Strobel or ' The reason for God' by Timothy Keller.

 

[Spartan117]

This is partially correct on the Christmas comments Stryker.

I am an active Christian and My Church is one of the larger Independent Baptist in Sydney.

Here are the facts.

There is no evidence that Jesus was born in Dec at all in the Bible, Anecdotal evidence tells us that this time of year is very cold at night in Israel and as such it is rare that the Shepherds would be sleeping out doors in the fields.

Christmas is not a biblical holiday, however I am happy that we do celebrate the birth of (for me my the saviour) the most influential man that has walked the earth.

As for blind faith in the Bible you gotto be kidding, Read it and if the fulfilled prophecy it will blow your mind especially as we see it in this current day.