GREENBERG GONE.....

[innsaneink]

People (ftb) Should be careful throwing out malicious/legal accusations

 

[cochise]

I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

 

[JC99]

I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Slanderous posts have been deleted. Voice your joy about Greenberg moving on all you like, but leave baseless accusations out of it.

Cheers.

 

[mike]

his biggest issue was the financial side of it.

Pretty big side don't you think..

For a CEO to miss manage a companies finances will see most CEO's stand down...the fact he held off on paying into the players Super fund now leaving the NRL a debt when the money could have been paid yearly is pretty unforgivable..The Media had absolutely zero to do with that..

When hasn’t the NRL been bad financially? He did just as bad with the money as any other CEO except he managed to grow the game internationally. Like I said I’m not fussed on who’s CEO but the media pushed very hard for this and got their way.

Guess what all those other CEO's are gone too...

None of the other CEO's had the luxury of the biggest broadcast deal in the history of Rugby League....

And every future CEO will get knifed and booted too, that’s the way it works. Whoever this new CEO is will be hated within six months of starting and eventually the media will go after him and he’ll be gone. Then the cycle continues. Biggest broadcast deal doesn’t mean much when the cost for literally everything else also goes up too

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For sure when the CEO..introduces Committee after Committee like a 6 man refs committee to decide who the ref will be that week..costs go up..

You have not addressed anything to do with Greenburg's pathetic management..just oh it's the media's fault..

I’ve said plenty of times I don’t think he did some fantastic job. I’m not trying to defend him for the bad choices he did make like spending too much on the bunker or the diamond ring to Smiths wife. He certainly wasn’t some fantastic CEO who ran the joint brilliantly he made some big mistakes money wise.

My point is so has every other CEO, and the media used this global pandemic to push him out, they run the game and hold far more power than they should. The next CEO will make big promises and fail to deliver and the cycle will continue. Doesn’t worry me too much as long as there’s footy.

Disagree - this has been coming for a long, long time. You cannot be disliked by so many people if you have been doing the right thing.

V'landys sussed him out, real quick and with holding funds from the clubs, when discovered was the final nail in the coffin.

What I want to know is how he was allowed to resign with so much dignity - why wasn't he sacked and disgraced like he should have been.

A'holes always seem to get away things.

-most people turned off him when he sent a reference in for Inglis after his DUI and the gift for Cameron smiths wife. Both big errors on his part. The media constantly writing bad articles about him didn’t help either

The thing that really got up my goat was the fair but not equal crap. He was doomed from that point forward. His version of fair certainly wasn’t equal. How on earth can you be fair but not equal.

 

[JC99]

his biggest issue was the financial side of it.

Pretty big side don't you think..

For a CEO to miss manage a companies finances will see most CEO's stand down...the fact he held off on paying into the players Super fund now leaving the NRL a debt when the money could have been paid yearly is pretty unforgivable..The Media had absolutely zero to do with that..

When hasn’t the NRL been bad financially? He did just as bad with the money as any other CEO except he managed to grow the game internationally. Like I said I’m not fussed on who’s CEO but the media pushed very hard for this and got their way.

Guess what all those other CEO's are gone too...

None of the other CEO's had the luxury of the biggest broadcast deal in the history of Rugby League....

And every future CEO will get knifed and booted too, that’s the way it works. Whoever this new CEO is will be hated within six months of starting and eventually the media will go after him and he’ll be gone. Then the cycle continues. Biggest broadcast deal doesn’t mean much when the cost for literally everything else also goes up too

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For sure when the CEO..introduces Committee after Committee like a 6 man refs committee to decide who the ref will be that week..costs go up..

You have not addressed anything to do with Greenburg's pathetic management..just oh it's the media's fault..

I’ve said plenty of times I don’t think he did some fantastic job. I’m not trying to defend him for the bad choices he did make like spending too much on the bunker or the diamond ring to Smiths wife. He certainly wasn’t some fantastic CEO who ran the joint brilliantly he made some big mistakes money wise.

My point is so has every other CEO, and the media used this global pandemic to push him out, they run the game and hold far more power than they should. The next CEO will make big promises and fail to deliver and the cycle will continue. Doesn’t worry me too much as long as there’s footy.

Disagree - this has been coming for a long, long time. You cannot be disliked by so many people if you have been doing the right thing.

V'landys sussed him out, real quick and with holding funds from the clubs, when discovered was the final nail in the coffin.

What I want to know is how he was allowed to resign with so much dignity - why wasn't he sacked and disgraced like he should have been.

A'holes always seem to get away things.

-most people turned off him when he sent a reference in for Inglis after his DUI and the gift for Cameron smiths wife. Both big errors on his part. The media constantly writing bad articles about him didn’t help either

The thing that really got up my goat was the fair but not equal crap. He was doomed from that point forward. His version of fair certainly wasn’t equal. How on earth can you be fair but not equal.

That’s completely understandable. I hated the favouritism bigger clubs and certain players got and how obvious he made it. Fact is that will probably continue no matter who the next CEO is.

 

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his biggest issue was the financial side of it.

Pretty big side don't you think..

For a CEO to miss manage a companies finances will see most CEO's stand down...the fact he held off on paying into the players Super fund now leaving the NRL a debt when the money could have been paid yearly is pretty unforgivable..The Media had absolutely zero to do with that..

When hasn’t the NRL been bad financially? He did just as bad with the money as any other CEO except he managed to grow the game internationally. Like I said I’m not fussed on who’s CEO but the media pushed very hard for this and got their way.

Guess what all those other CEO's are gone too...

None of the other CEO's had the luxury of the biggest broadcast deal in the history of Rugby League....

And every future CEO will get knifed and booted too, that’s the way it works. Whoever this new CEO is will be hated within six months of starting and eventually the media will go after him and he’ll be gone. Then the cycle continues. Biggest broadcast deal doesn’t mean much when the cost for literally everything else also goes up too

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For sure when the CEO..introduces Committee after Committee like a 6 man refs committee to decide who the ref will be that week..costs go up..

You have not addressed anything to do with Greenburg's pathetic management..just oh it's the media's fault..

I’ve said plenty of times I don’t think he did some fantastic job. I’m not trying to defend him for the bad choices he did make like spending too much on the bunker or the diamond ring to Smiths wife. He certainly wasn’t some fantastic CEO who ran the joint brilliantly he made some big mistakes money wise.

My point is so has every other CEO, and the media used this global pandemic to push him out, they run the game and hold far more power than they should. The next CEO will make big promises and fail to deliver and the cycle will continue. Doesn’t worry me too much as long as there’s footy.

Disagree - this has been coming for a long, long time. You cannot be disliked by so many people if you have been doing the right thing.

V'landys sussed him out, real quick and with holding funds from the clubs, when discovered was the final nail in the coffin.

What I want to know is how he was allowed to resign with so much dignity - why wasn't he sacked and disgraced like he should have been.

A'holes always seem to get away things.

-most people turned off him when he sent a reference in for Inglis after his DUI and the gift for Cameron smiths wife. Both big errors on his part. The media constantly writing bad articles about him didn’t help either

The thing that really got up my goat was the fair but not equal crap. He was doomed from that point forward. His version of fair certainly wasn’t equal. How on earth can you be fair but not equal.

That’s completely understandable. I hated the favouritism bigger clubs and certain players got and how obvious he made it. Fact is that will probably continue no matter who the next CEO is.

So he "favoured bigger clubs and certain players, and made it obvious" yet he got unfairly treated? Not sure how that works. He was a dud.

 

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People (ftb) Should be careful throwing out malicious/legal accusations

Legal accusations?

 

[supercoach]

I personally think Greenberg had to go. He was all show and very little substance and the NRL was going down very fast. In saying that you also have to take a long look at the commission as Greenberg was acting on there instructions. Grant and Beatie should also be copping plenty of flak.
Anyway perfect time for the NRL to take their medicine and start a fresh

Just one last thing....it’s seems rugby and cricket are in the same deep hole and CV19 has exposed some pretty average management in those organisation. Be nice to think when the dust settles that the greed shown by upper management in a lot of organisations might subside..pigs might fly also

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

 

[JC99]

I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

 

[JC99]

his biggest issue was the financial side of it.

Pretty big side don't you think..

For a CEO to miss manage a companies finances will see most CEO's stand down...the fact he held off on paying into the players Super fund now leaving the NRL a debt when the money could have been paid yearly is pretty unforgivable..The Media had absolutely zero to do with that..

When hasn’t the NRL been bad financially? He did just as bad with the money as any other CEO except he managed to grow the game internationally. Like I said I’m not fussed on who’s CEO but the media pushed very hard for this and got their way.

Guess what all those other CEO's are gone too...

None of the other CEO's had the luxury of the biggest broadcast deal in the history of Rugby League....

And every future CEO will get knifed and booted too, that’s the way it works. Whoever this new CEO is will be hated within six months of starting and eventually the media will go after him and he’ll be gone. Then the cycle continues. Biggest broadcast deal doesn’t mean much when the cost for literally everything else also goes up too

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For sure when the CEO..introduces Committee after Committee like a 6 man refs committee to decide who the ref will be that week..costs go up..

You have not addressed anything to do with Greenburg's pathetic management..just oh it's the media's fault..

I’ve said plenty of times I don’t think he did some fantastic job. I’m not trying to defend him for the bad choices he did make like spending too much on the bunker or the diamond ring to Smiths wife. He certainly wasn’t some fantastic CEO who ran the joint brilliantly he made some big mistakes money wise.

My point is so has every other CEO, and the media used this global pandemic to push him out, they run the game and hold far more power than they should. The next CEO will make big promises and fail to deliver and the cycle will continue. Doesn’t worry me too much as long as there’s footy.

Disagree - this has been coming for a long, long time. You cannot be disliked by so many people if you have been doing the right thing.

V'landys sussed him out, real quick and with holding funds from the clubs, when discovered was the final nail in the coffin.

What I want to know is how he was allowed to resign with so much dignity - why wasn't he sacked and disgraced like he should have been.

A'holes always seem to get away things.

-most people turned off him when he sent a reference in for Inglis after his DUI and the gift for Cameron smiths wife. Both big errors on his part. The media constantly writing bad articles about him didn’t help either

The thing that really got up my goat was the fair but not equal crap. He was doomed from that point forward. His version of fair certainly wasn’t equal. How on earth can you be fair but not equal.

That’s completely understandable. I hated the favouritism bigger clubs and certain players got and how obvious he made it. Fact is that will probably continue no matter who the next CEO is.

So he "favoured bigger clubs and certain players, and made it obvious" yet he got unfairly treated? Not sure how that works. He was a dud.

He gets unfairly blamed for things that aren’t true and mean nothing - take for example you saying he wasted $500k a day when that’s a number that means nothing if you did some research

 

[mike]

his biggest issue was the financial side of it.

Pretty big side don't you think..

For a CEO to miss manage a companies finances will see most CEO's stand down...the fact he held off on paying into the players Super fund now leaving the NRL a debt when the money could have been paid yearly is pretty unforgivable..The Media had absolutely zero to do with that..

When hasn’t the NRL been bad financially? He did just as bad with the money as any other CEO except he managed to grow the game internationally. Like I said I’m not fussed on who’s CEO but the media pushed very hard for this and got their way.

Guess what all those other CEO's are gone too...

None of the other CEO's had the luxury of the biggest broadcast deal in the history of Rugby League....

And every future CEO will get knifed and booted too, that’s the way it works. Whoever this new CEO is will be hated within six months of starting and eventually the media will go after him and he’ll be gone. Then the cycle continues. Biggest broadcast deal doesn’t mean much when the cost for literally everything else also goes up too

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For sure when the CEO..introduces Committee after Committee like a 6 man refs committee to decide who the ref will be that week..costs go up..

You have not addressed anything to do with Greenburg's pathetic management..just oh it's the media's fault..

I’ve said plenty of times I don’t think he did some fantastic job. I’m not trying to defend him for the bad choices he did make like spending too much on the bunker or the diamond ring to Smiths wife. He certainly wasn’t some fantastic CEO who ran the joint brilliantly he made some big mistakes money wise.

My point is so has every other CEO, and the media used this global pandemic to push him out, they run the game and hold far more power than they should. The next CEO will make big promises and fail to deliver and the cycle will continue. Doesn’t worry me too much as long as there’s footy.

Disagree - this has been coming for a long, long time. You cannot be disliked by so many people if you have been doing the right thing.

V'landys sussed him out, real quick and with holding funds from the clubs, when discovered was the final nail in the coffin.

What I want to know is how he was allowed to resign with so much dignity - why wasn't he sacked and disgraced like he should have been.

A'holes always seem to get away things.

-most people turned off him when he sent a reference in for Inglis after his DUI and the gift for Cameron smiths wife. Both big errors on his part. The media constantly writing bad articles about him didn’t help either

The thing that really got up my goat was the fair but not equal crap. He was doomed from that point forward. His version of fair certainly wasn’t equal. How on earth can you be fair but not equal.

That’s completely understandable. I hated the favouritism bigger clubs and certain players got and how obvious he made it. Fact is that will probably continue no matter who the next CEO is.

So he "favoured bigger clubs and certain players, and made it obvious" yet he got unfairly treated? Not sure how that works. He was a dud.

He gets unfairly blamed for things that aren’t true and mean nothing - take forever example you saying he wasted $500k a day when that’s a number that means nothing

If that’s true, which I highly doubt, then that’s $182.5M a year wasted and that is not nothing. It means a lot of money could have gone to other areas, such as juniors and country Rugby League that have been crying out for funds. Hell, you could even redevelop Leichhardt and CSS and made them better with BankWest with that kind of money. So it’s definitely not nothing.

 

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I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

 

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his biggest issue was the financial side of it.

Pretty big side don't you think..

For a CEO to miss manage a companies finances will see most CEO's stand down...the fact he held off on paying into the players Super fund now leaving the NRL a debt when the money could have been paid yearly is pretty unforgivable..The Media had absolutely zero to do with that..

When hasn’t the NRL been bad financially? He did just as bad with the money as any other CEO except he managed to grow the game internationally. Like I said I’m not fussed on who’s CEO but the media pushed very hard for this and got their way.

Guess what all those other CEO's are gone too...

None of the other CEO's had the luxury of the biggest broadcast deal in the history of Rugby League....

And every future CEO will get knifed and booted too, that’s the way it works. Whoever this new CEO is will be hated within six months of starting and eventually the media will go after him and he’ll be gone. Then the cycle continues. Biggest broadcast deal doesn’t mean much when the cost for literally everything else also goes up too

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For sure when the CEO..introduces Committee after Committee like a 6 man refs committee to decide who the ref will be that week..costs go up..

You have not addressed anything to do with Greenburg's pathetic management..just oh it's the media's fault..

I’ve said plenty of times I don’t think he did some fantastic job. I’m not trying to defend him for the bad choices he did make like spending too much on the bunker or the diamond ring to Smiths wife. He certainly wasn’t some fantastic CEO who ran the joint brilliantly he made some big mistakes money wise.

My point is so has every other CEO, and the media used this global pandemic to push him out, they run the game and hold far more power than they should. The next CEO will make big promises and fail to deliver and the cycle will continue. Doesn’t worry me too much as long as there’s footy.

Disagree - this has been coming for a long, long time. You cannot be disliked by so many people if you have been doing the right thing.

V'landys sussed him out, real quick and with holding funds from the clubs, when discovered was the final nail in the coffin.

What I want to know is how he was allowed to resign with so much dignity - why wasn't he sacked and disgraced like he should have been.

A'holes always seem to get away things.

-most people turned off him when he sent a reference in for Inglis after his DUI and the gift for Cameron smiths wife. Both big errors on his part. The media constantly writing bad articles about him didn’t help either

The thing that really got up my goat was the fair but not equal crap. He was doomed from that point forward. His version of fair certainly wasn’t equal. How on earth can you be fair but not equal.

That’s completely understandable. I hated the favouritism bigger clubs and certain players got and how obvious he made it. Fact is that will probably continue no matter who the next CEO is.

So he "favoured bigger clubs and certain players, and made it obvious" yet he got unfairly treated? Not sure how that works. He was a dud.

He gets unfairly blamed for things that aren’t true and mean nothing - take forever example you saying he wasted $500k a day when that’s a number that means nothing

If that’s true, which I highly doubt, then that’s $182.5M a year wasted and that is not nothing. It means a lot of money could have gone to other areas, such as juniors and country Rugby League that have been crying out for funds. Hell, you could even redevelop Leichhardt and CSS and made them better with BankWest with that kind of money. So it’s definitely not nothing.

As mentioned earlier in this thread that $500k a day ‘wasted’ is a media lie. You would have to count player welfare, game day costs and sponsorship costs to get it to $500k a day, many of which bring a lot more money back into the game. Administration costs only amounted for $60k a day In comparison

 

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I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

 

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People (ftb) Should be careful throwing out malicious/legal accusations

Legal accusations?

Don't play dumb... Accusations of fraud & theft

I've seen forilums shut down for less before... This isn't my go but when I see stupid posts like yours the damage can be irepairable

 

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his biggest issue was the financial side of it.

Pretty big side don't you think..

For a CEO to miss manage a companies finances will see most CEO's stand down...the fact he held off on paying into the players Super fund now leaving the NRL a debt when the money could have been paid yearly is pretty unforgivable..The Media had absolutely zero to do with that..

When hasn’t the NRL been bad financially? He did just as bad with the money as any other CEO except he managed to grow the game internationally. Like I said I’m not fussed on who’s CEO but the media pushed very hard for this and got their way.

Guess what all those other CEO's are gone too...

None of the other CEO's had the luxury of the biggest broadcast deal in the history of Rugby League....

And every future CEO will get knifed and booted too, that’s the way it works. Whoever this new CEO is will be hated within six months of starting and eventually the media will go after him and he’ll be gone. Then the cycle continues. Biggest broadcast deal doesn’t mean much when the cost for literally everything else also goes up too

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For sure when the CEO..introduces Committee after Committee like a 6 man refs committee to decide who the ref will be that week..costs go up..

You have not addressed anything to do with Greenburg's pathetic management..just oh it's the media's fault..

I’ve said plenty of times I don’t think he did some fantastic job. I’m not trying to defend him for the bad choices he did make like spending too much on the bunker or the diamond ring to Smiths wife. He certainly wasn’t some fantastic CEO who ran the joint brilliantly he made some big mistakes money wise.

My point is so has every other CEO, and the media used this global pandemic to push him out, they run the game and hold far more power than they should. The next CEO will make big promises and fail to deliver and the cycle will continue. Doesn’t worry me too much as long as there’s footy.

Disagree - this has been coming for a long, long time. You cannot be disliked by so many people if you have been doing the right thing.

V'landys sussed him out, real quick and with holding funds from the clubs, when discovered was the final nail in the coffin.

What I want to know is how he was allowed to resign with so much dignity - why wasn't he sacked and disgraced like he should have been.

A'holes always seem to get away things.

-most people turned off him when he sent a reference in for Inglis after his DUI and the gift for Cameron smiths wife. Both big errors on his part. The media constantly writing bad articles about him didn’t help either

The thing that really got up my goat was the fair but not equal crap. He was doomed from that point forward. His version of fair certainly wasn’t equal. How on earth can you be fair but not equal.

That’s completely understandable. I hated the favouritism bigger clubs and certain players got and how obvious he made it. Fact is that will probably continue no matter who the next CEO is.

So he "favoured bigger clubs and certain players, and made it obvious" yet he got unfairly treated? Not sure how that works. He was a dud.

He gets unfairly blamed for things that aren’t true and mean nothing - take forever example you saying he wasted $500k a day when that’s a number that means nothing

If that’s true, which I highly doubt, then that’s $182.5M a year wasted and that is not nothing. It means a lot of money could have gone to other areas, such as juniors and country Rugby League that have been crying out for funds. Hell, you could even redevelop Leichhardt and CSS and made them better with BankWest with that kind of money. So it’s definitely not nothing.

They included $102m for game day hospitality which brought in $205m, this is not wasted money. The AFL spent twice as much in the same areas last year.

 

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People (ftb) Should be careful throwing out malicious/legal accusations

Legal accusations?

Don't play dumb... Accusations of fraud & theft

I've seen forilums shut down for less before... This isn't my go but when I see stupid posts like yours the damage can be irepairable

?Opinions?

 

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I agree to some extent with Josh, I am not a Greenberg fan but the reality is that people have been dissatisfied with the CEO's (or equivalent) performance since rugby league existed.

Rugby League has been squandering opportunities and dealing with in-fighting since 1908, and it wasn't going to change on Greenberg's watch.

His main failing I think is that he was easy to dislike. Your average mug punter wouldn't honestly have any clue whether or not Greeberg was a good CEO, they wouldn't even know what the CEO's KPIs were and how he was performing against those. Mug punters only absorb the "at surface" items like "I didn't like the bunker" or "refs are doing a bad job" and then pointing back at the CEO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a mug punter too, but I won't claim to know if Greenberg was actually any good at his job. All I can say is he lost the popularity contest.

All this other stuff, e.g. the cost of running the NRL - that's just reality of big income. Sure head office could have been more cost-effective in squirreling away funds, but that is true of any management and most of them spend within their means (i.e. if their means grow, so do their spending).

Similarly look at any given club and how much money they spend on non-player salaries since the salary cap was bumped up over the last 2 broadcast deals.

This latest report about missing funds, we are talking very small sums here. Certainly the accounting needs to be 100% accurate, but it's not enough to topple a CEO, and I'd challenge anyone to be certain that no other missing funds ever occurred within rugby league headquarters or any other state branch.

So keep in mind this almost excessive "fan celebration" in regards to Greenberg in 3-4 years when the next bloke has gotten his hands dirty and rugby league hasn't magically been fixed or cured of it's historical ills.

"Small sums of cash" might well sum up his latest stuff-up but where the hell is this $500 000 A DAY ending up? That is an astonishing figure. I'm willing to bet he's been skimming money for a while now, that's why he seems happy enough to walk away quietly before a real investigation into this exhorbitant spending got underway. He got off lightly IMO, very lightly.

Where has this 500k a day number even come from? NRL’d administration cost last year was $60k a day on average. To even get close to 500k a day you have to add game day costs, sponsorship, player welfare etc.

$500k a day is yet another thing being pushed by the media who wanted him out.

That is exactly what they did, they have even included match day hospitality for sponsors which cost $102m but brought in $205m last year.

Exactly mate. Looking at the number $500k a day without knowing the whole context is pointless. It’s a throwaway stat posted by the media to get Todd out.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke just think he’s copping some crap unfairly. If you look at the actual money he’s brought to the game it’s been good. Revenue in almost every area has gone up since he’s been in charge + has introduced the women’s game, international footy has grown and state of origin is growing nationally.

Biggest problem is that he didn’t have money put away for the virus - something a lot of businesses also didn’t do. It was never planned and now they’ve had to take a loan out because of it which isn’t good. Plus the Inglis and Cameron Smith stuff just looks bad as well.

Not having a proper CEO when the business could collapse due to the virus also doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

How has international footy grown?
How has State Of Origin grown nationally?....crowds are down for Origin, especially in NSW.
Not having a go at you mate, people who think Greenberg has been unfairly targetted aren't really stating much of a case for their arguments. Most people are of the opinion that the game has nosedived rapidly and considerably in many areas during Greenberg's reign.

More international games with more viewers than ever, there’s been more interest in international footy since a long time.

State of origin taken to other states with sold out crowds growing the game nationally plus women’s state of origin a big success.

I’m not even a fan of the bloke but the amount of people calling him the worst ever based off channel 9 articles (who wanted him gone) is laughable

I'm not basing my opinion of him being the worst RL CEO ever off of channel 9 articles. I'm basing my opinion of his tenure on his demonstrated inability to do his job properly. Nearly every decision he has made has been bad IMO. Getting paid over a million dollars a year to made continued poor decisions, blatant favouritism, demonstrated double-standards etc is laughable. He should never have got the job, his time at Canterbury wasn't exactly stellar and without dubious decisions involving some very important issues.

What decision of his didn’t you like? Besides the obvious ones like Inglis and Smith, which business decisions didn’t you like? That is what a CEO does after all.

He got appointed CEO because at the time he was considered the best club CEO. His issue at dogs was covering up the Ben Barba issues

You just answered your own question. Do you think what he did at the Bulldogs re: Barba's actions meant he should've been immediately scrapped as a potential candidate for the NRL CEO position? Yep. So do I.
That should of been done deal at that point right there.