Had Ivan Cleary not been brought in..

[Tigerdon]

I've been very impressed by Cleary's demeanour. Taking control of the team when there was so much upheaval. For the three games the team has played under him, we have looked composed. Ivan has a good reputation of building a team but atm he has just taken over someone else's team and turned things around through he's coaching rather than any new talent he has brought in.
Yes. Come 2018 Ivan will be in good position to purchase available players on the market but what has impressed me is how he is turning around our for and against for 2017.

 

[MG1962]

I've been very impressed by Cleary's demeanour. Taking control of the team when there was so much upheaval. For the three games the team has played under him, we have looked composed. Ivan has a good reputation of building a team but atm he has just taken over someone else's team and turned things around through he's coaching rather than any new talent he has brought in.
Yes. Come 2018 Ivan will be in good position to purchase available players on the market but what has impressed me is how he is turning around our for and against for 2017.

It is classic top down leadership. You don't ask your team to set the example. You set the example and allow them to follow. And from his perspective what has he got to lose. He did not create the situation, but he knows he can be part of the solution. That will always empower a good leader

 

[Magpie_Magic]

JT would have also loved to have so much cap to spend.

But Ivan is doing it in a way we like and suits our culture.
The letting go of Moses was a good one. Just to show his uncle who is boss.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

JT would have also loved to have so much cap to spend.

But Ivan is doing it in a way we like and suits our culture.
The letting go of Moses was a good one. Just to show his uncle who is boss.

And when Taylor let Siro junior go, it was a vandetta.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

JT would have also loved to have so much cap to spend.

But Ivan is doing it in a way we like and suits our culture.
The letting go of Moses was a good one. Just to show his uncle who is boss.

And when Taylor let Siro junior go, it was a vandetta.

Sirro just wasn't cutting it.

The player manager had enormous influence over our club and he no longer has.
And it cost him in commission and his nephew in wages.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

JT would have also loved to have so much cap to spend.

But Ivan is doing it in a way we like and suits our culture.
The letting go of Moses was a good one. Just to show his uncle who is boss.

On the contrary, I don't think Ivan suits our culture which is a great thing IMO.

 

[Tigerdon]

JT would have also loved to have so much cap to spend.

But Ivan is doing it in a way we like and suits our culture.
The letting go of Moses was a good one. Just to show his uncle who is boss.

On the contrary, I don't think Ivan suits our culture which is a great thing IMO.

With the 2017 side JT was 1 from 3 with an atrocious F/A. Ivan is 2/3 (could have been 3 from 3) and the F/A is starting to head in the right direction.

 

[ChowzenWon]

So no one else is against reynolds getting paid 900k and a car? He aint worth that much. What happen with TMM?

700k mate, don't believe everything you read.

Nor should you Milky the fact is none of us know what any of our players earn from media sources

Not from a media source, the contract is in this 600k's and moves to 700k's in the final year.

Thats a more reasonable price if its true.

 

[ryanda01]

700k mate, don't believe everything you read.

Nor should you Milky the fact is none of us know what any of our players earn from media sources

Not from a media source, the contract is in this 600k's and moves to 700k's in the final year.

Thats a more reasonable price if its true.

Finally back to back dating contracts. Normality has resumed…

 

[jadtiger]

JT would have also loved to have so much cap to spend.

But Ivan is doing it in a way we like and suits our culture.
The letting go of Moses was a good one. Just to show his uncle who is boss.

And when Taylor let Siro junior go, it was a vandetta.

Taylor was a failure but you can keep on rowing his boat everyone else has moved on

 

[GNR4LIFE]

JT would have also loved to have so much cap to spend.

But Ivan is doing it in a way we like and suits our culture.
The letting go of Moses was a good one. Just to show his uncle who is boss.

And when Taylor let Siro junior go, it was a vandetta.

Taylor was a failure but you can keep on rowing his boat everyone else has moved on

Yeah mate, i've only embraced Cleary from the beginning. I haven't moved on at all :unamused:

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Nor should you Milky the fact is none of us know what any of our players earn from media sources

Not from a media source, the contract is in this 600k's and moves to 700k's in the final year.

Thats a more reasonable price if its true.

Finally back to back dating contracts. Normality has resumed…

If it's only an increase by 100K over the life of the contract I am not too fussed.

When you're paying a bloke $300K in his first year and $700K in his last year that's straight out taking the piss though.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

JT would have also loved to have so much cap to spend.

But Ivan is doing it in a way we like and suits our culture.
The letting go of Moses was a good one. Just to show his uncle who is boss.

And when Taylor let Siro junior go, it was a vandetta.

Taylor was a failure but you can keep on rowing his boat everyone else has moved on

Depends how you look at his time at the club and the expectations he set and there were 3 areas:

1\. He aimed to improve the defence - that didn't happen so you could say that was a failure.
2\. He aimed to improve on-field performances - marginal pass, we did finish 9th last season.
3\. Both he and Go were very upfront about the state of the salary cap management and how it needed to be rectified. Credit needs to be given here, it appears this is the final season of these salary cap issues. This is where JT did deliver for the club.

Back to the original post, I would agree that Cleary has more pulling power for players, but they are different coaches. Cleary seems to work well building clubs from the bottom up, JT is viewed as a "change agent" in the mould of a Brian Smith.

If you think about it, given these characteristics, both coaches have arrived at the club exactly when their respective skill sets were required.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

To be fair I don't think you could credit Ivan for all of this. I reckon there has been a lot of preparation by the likes of Kelly Egan etc.

100% Lards. Im a big Cleary fan and was excited when he came on.

But if anyone thinks things werent being aligned behind the scenes before he got here, then youre asleep. I think the unfairly maligned board and CEO as well as some other crucial staff were aligning things and setting up processes for the day a new coach arrived. Cleary would have been very aware and was head hunted for the very reason we are seeing things occur now. He was the final piece in the shake up and has the kahunas to stand up and make the calls and take

So, you think that the board would have known who Cleary wanted before he came here. He must kave had inside information that the 3 Amigo were not going to be taking up cap space then.
Do you really think that When he was signed , that he didn't have control over who came here.
I think you are being over generous to our board, who normally can't unscrew the lid of a Vegemite jar, without getting the help of a four year old child.
Cleary is in total control over signings, or so he said when he started.
And thank god that he is.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

To be fair I don't think you could credit Ivan for all of this. I reckon there has been a lot of preparation by the likes of Kelly Egan etc.

100% Lards. Im a big Cleary fan and was excited when he came on.

But if anyone thinks things werent being aligned behind the scenes before he got here, then youre asleep. I think the unfairly maligned board and CEO as well as some other crucial staff were aligning things and setting up processes for the day a new coach arrived. Cleary would have been very aware and was head hunted for the very reason we are seeing things occur now. He was the final piece in the shake up and has the kahunas to stand up and make the calls and take

So, you think that the board would have known who Cleary wanted before he came here. He must kave had inside information that the 3 Amigo were not going to be taking up cap space then.
Do you really think that When he was signed , that he didn't have control over who came here.
I think you are being over generous to our board, who normally can't unscrew the lid of a Vegemite jar, without getting the help of a four year old child.
Cleary is in total control over signings, or so he said when he started.
And thank god that he is.

Who honestly cares now GCT? The ends justify the means in this case.

 

[DonnyBrasco]

But according to the Spin in the last few weeks, it was all the boards fault and they should all be sacked.
Ivan has a massive set of cojones, hopefully it rubs off on some of the peahearts we have

 

[pHyR3]

We can only count our lucky stars and blessings. Had he not been brought in during round 5 we would have seen the following:

- Moses sign for 1 million a season
- Woods sign for 1.1 million a season
- Tedesco sign for 1.2 million a season
- Brooks sign for 800k a season

Theres 4.1 million dollars tied up on 4 players. We have seen the best recruitment/retention in the clubs history. Bringing in McQueen, Matulino, Grub, Milne, MWZ and retaining Nofa within weeks of taking over.

We are building a great future. Only concern I have is the age of our recruits, but apart from that we are dong well.

what on earth are these made up numbers???

 

[Chainlink]

Nor should you Milky the fact is none of us know what any of our players earn from media sources

Not from a media source, the contract is in this 600k's and moves to 700k's in the final year.

Thats a more reasonable price if its true.

Finally back to back dating contracts. Normality has resumed…

I didn't think clubs were allowed to back-load contracts anymore…

 

[jadtiger]

Not from a media source, the contract is in this 600k's and moves to 700k's in the final year.

Thats a more reasonable price if its true.

Finally back to back dating contracts. Normality has resumed…

I didn't think clubs were allowed to back-load contracts anymore…

You can still backload contracts but not to the extent that clubs used to. the increase has to be much lower than before