Hawkeye for forward passes?

[tig_prmz]

Is there any other sport that goes through as many rule changes and different interpretations etc?

the game is grey, the more we try to make it black and white- the more we will suffer.

 

[happy_tiger]

I suggested a few years ago we have a perhaps four or five one metre markers across the ground every metre ....they will never get another decision wrong

Grounds won't look pretty though

 

[jirskyr]

I want to know if they can actually implement Hawkeye at every ground?

 

[barra]

As mentioned it needs to be ball technology... We don't need to know the path it traveled we need to know how the speed of the ball changes.
In other words if a player is carrying the ball and running at exactly 15kph and throws a pass, and the ball speed increases it has been propelled forward. If it remains at 15kph it's a flat pass, if speed decreases it's been passed backwards. If it increases the bunker knows immediately and tells the refs.
Simple!
Put a chip inside the ball and technology to follow it and we may just eliminate this very grey area.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

As mentioned it needs to be ball technology... We don't need to know the path it traveled we need to know how the speed of the ball changes.
In other words if a player is carrying the ball and running at exactly 15kph and throws a pass, and the ball speed increases it has been propelled forward. If it remains at 15kph it's a flat pass, if speed decreases it's been passed backwards. If it increases the bunker knows immediately and tells the refs.
Simple!
Put a chip inside the ball and technology to follow it and we may just eliminate this very grey area.

What about: if it looks forward blow the whistle? Worked for 100 years.

 

[Sart0ri]

I think the refs should give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team, the refs can ask the bunker to review but the bunker can only overturn obvious howlers.

They should also go back to the old striping rule, I think new rule make the game worse.

 

[TSupps05]

@barra Not that simple, but smart idea though. Only problems i can see from it is from dummy half where the ball in stationary. The speed would also have to be in a 2D plane which is too complicated.

I feel a sensor in the ball that can somehow detect if it is released forward out of the hand and gives the ref real time notice is the best way to go.

But to be honest i feel that less technology at the moment, the better.

 

[happy_tiger]

No from me .....unless the ball explodes when it reaches the receiver..that would be spectacular...

You really hate Brooks don't you , you spout his stats....but in the same sentence want to blow him up

 

[Tigerdave]

It would need to be used in every situation otherwise it would be pointless.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I get sports need to stick with the times but seriously how will they work out a pass that has floated forward to an intentional one.

The only way this could work is to not allow a ball to travel forward at all.

 

[OzLuke]

while I agree that something needs to be done about the "flat at best" passes....technology is getting the better of our game....but for a thought the rule needs to be backwards out of the hands...maybe it's an idea to look at that than hawkeye/ball tech etc?
Who knows?? my tech savvy is limited but surely if your hands are going backwards then so is the ball....
How about we ask cam smith what he thinks is best and run with that....

 

[Madgic]

@jirskyr Roosters will be devastated and so will Cam Smith! Nearly every short pass they throw is a metre forward. **BRING IT ON **

 

[Madgic]

@Tiger_Steve the referees are quite simple enough already! If their minds were any simpler they would be in padded cells. Maybe seeing eye dogs would be better? ANYTHING is worth trying, how can it get worse?

 

[Juro]

I'm only too happy to trial the technology. If it works, fantastic. If it doesn't, we just go back to relying on the refs.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Jake Friend may as well retire then and try his hand in the NFL as a quarterback.

 

[Russell]

I get sports need to stick with the times but seriously how will they work out a pass that has floated forward to an intentional one.

The only way this could work is to not allow a ball to travel forward at all.

You mean the way it was for about 100 years.

 

[Russell]

I'm not happy with technology ruling the game - but something needs to be done to take the bias out of the refereeing.

Then again Rorters, Storm Souffs etc. wouldn't let that happen eh Toddy.

 

[jirskyr]

@barra Not that simple, but smart idea though. Only problems i can see from it is from dummy half where the ball in stationary. The speed would also have to be in a 2D plane which is too complicated.

I feel a sensor in the ball that can somehow detect if it is released forward out of the hand and gives the ref real time notice is the best way to go.

But to be honest i feel that less technology at the moment, the better.

Yes I agree with in-ball chip, no it cannot be measuring speed.

I'm pretty sure @barra's explanation of measuring speed of carry vs pass isn't accurately reflecting physics. It doesn't give you an absolute indication of direction.

In the given example, if you are running at 15kph, you still have the ability to impart a force upon the ball in any direction that causes it to travel > 15 kph. I could run and then throw the ball backwards over my head at a speed superior to my running speed. In contrast, if I ran past someone standing still and simply handed the ball to them as I went past, the ball's speed would reduce even though it went forward.

The technology I've read about involves a type of GPS chip in the ball. The ball then knows where it went before and after the pass, in relation to the sensors at the ground. And I believe the programs are smart enough to tell when a pass has been thrown vs a kick or a carry.

But the system also has to measure in 3 dimensions, because a forward pass can go up or down. The system also has to account for the motion of the passer, because as noted, passes can be backwards even though the ball travels forward - in fact most passes are of this type. Even running in a straight line and throwing the ball moderately backwards over your head actually results in the ball technically traveling forward from its starting position.

 

[happy_tiger]

I get sports need to stick with the times but seriously how will they work out a pass that has floated forward to an intentional one.

The only way this could work is to not allow a ball to travel forward at all.

You mean the way it was for about 100 years.

But its too hard now , plus now you have short guys passing to tall guys , tall guys passing to short guys

Reckon if we went back to a ball being passed forward as a penalty things would change overnight

 

[Russell]

We had short guys passing to tall guys and vv since the game started - nothing new Hap.

Think if they went back to the old rule - if it goes forward - it's forward. Never mind the but it floated forward - the current players need to take that into account, the same as the old guys did.