High-scoring wins didn't help us: Taylor

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!00% correct…When we control the football it shows...the forwards did their job yesterday ..defensively we hit and stuck..best defence I have seen from the Wests Tigers in 3 years...

Execution in attack however...sucked dead dogs dongers...

Agree, if we held onto the ball yesterday we would have beaten the Eels. We just butchered chance after chance- no team in the NRL would win dropping that much ball.
Mitchell Pearce just saw your last sentence Geo and has immediately forwarded his resum`e onto WT management…....that is his type of club!

 

[happy_tiger]

90% of teams that keep the opposing teams to 8 end up winning.

The fact we didn't even score a single point is alarming, I wish Taylor would understand this…

true keep the opposition to 8 and you should win

But the players make the on field decisions now , they have admitted it and so has Taylor

So where is the need to blame Taylor ….........

 

[Telltails]

Last year I highlighted that Wests Tigers had the best for and against of the seven last placed teams in the competition. However it seemed that everyone was howling down this paint and pointing at the fact that we almost finished wooden spooners. I watch rugby league to see primarily good attack with quality defence. Yesterday was a snooze-a-thon which will cut our crowds down if repeated without any attack to inspire the crowd. What do you think the fans want?

Its one game early in the season with the new interchange rules challenging the performance of all teams . The importance of selecting the right bench is becoming more evident. Parramatta were equally as poor in attack - but both coaches were pleased with the defensive effort, and with good reason.
I will agree the game was a shocker to watch only interesting due to the closeness of the score. However I walked away far more comfortable with that loss than getting smashed by the opposition which in other years we would have - given the amount of mistakes we made.
Cant even blame Badger - though the drought continues.

 

[Tigerdave]

Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor says a pair of high-scoring wins to start his club's season may have been entertaining to watch but aren't the type of performance that will help his side into the finals.

as opposed to low scoring losses?

Look, the defence I saw yesterday was pretty darn good, especially for us and even more so due to our lackluster attack, but surely there's a nice middle ground?

15 minutes to go and we were just plodding it up field, one out, no runners, no 2nd phase. Any time we went out wide, passes were either too slow, behind the intended recipient or hitting the ground. Our halves were non-existent and Parra shut down Teddy in attack, the only one that looked threatening was Kev. Mind you, Parra does have an very good defensive record at the moment.

Yes the first 2 games we let the opposition back in, but to me, it more looked like a lack of respect to the opposition rather than mere defensive lapses.

Things could be worse, we could be the Roosters or Knights at this stage.

 

[tigermac88]

When you're playing against a good defensive team like parra were yesterday you need to build pressure and force repeat sets when attacking the line or kick deep to the corners and keep turning your opposition around when coming out of our own end and completing your sets, you need to be relentless with this… Too many times our kicking options were just not up to scratch or our ball retention let us down to put any pressure on parra, is this the coaches fault that these guys took the wrong options?

 

[ricksen]

Good and bad with this. He seems a bit desperate to point out the positives, almost as if he's selling himself.

Defence was great yesterday, and he's right that we need to fix that first and foremost if we want to make the 8.

That said:
* bringing up last week as another example of good defence is ridiculous - we conceded 30 points to the Titans FFS
* as good as the defence was yesterday, the attack was hugely concerning. From a fan who was at the game, that's what I'm taking out of it rather than looking at the good defensive effort, and it grates a little that the coach isn't acknowledging as much. Overly emotive I know, but I don't think I was the only one.

But the first 40 minutes v the Titans was good Ricksen , almost as good as the entre game v Parra

First 30 was pretty decent, but we then alarmingly fell off a cliff for the next 30-40, which negated everything we'd done well.

 

[stevetiger]

I don't think he gets it. You need to score more than the opposition scored. Those 2 wins gave us 4 points. The 2 losses no points. Wins get you to the finals.

Yes the defence was great yesterday but our attack was horrendous.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Sorry to harp on it but if Robbie had been doing those kicks instead of the youngsters I think we would have got at least one try.

 

[bp_tiger]

the true reason that we could not score any points, was because we dont have any backrowers who can bend or break the line. and with JTs 3 hookers in 1 game does nothing to help. lovett and buchanan do nothing in attack, yet this poor excuse of a coach keeps picking them.

 

[clifferdSH]

90% of teams that keep the opposing teams to 8 end up winning.

The fact we didn't even score a single point is alarming, I wish Taylor would understand this…

true keep the opposition to 8 and you should win

But the players make the on field decisions now , they have admitted it and so has Taylor

So where is the need to blame Taylor ….........

I'm not blaming Taylor for the players dishing up what they did on the field Happy.

More so the fact he "brushed" off the absolute attacking howlers on display by our halves and the mind boggling team selections, but it was all good because we kept an average attacking team to 8 points which could've easily been another 2 tries if it wasn't for Teddy

im just disappointed is all hahah

 

[stevetiger]

Sorry to harp on it but if Robbie had been doing those kicks instead of the youngsters I think we would have got at least one try.

Don't start dishing out reasoned logic on here. That is a terrible idea.

 

[stevetiger]

the true reason that we could not score any points, was because we dont have any backrowers who can bend or break the line. and with JTs 3 hookers in 1 game does nothing to help. lovett and buchanan do nothing in attack, yet this poor excuse of a coach keeps picking them.

It had nothing to do with Brooks and Moses taking the wrong option basically every time ? What about passing it behind players and kicking out if that was even the right option ?

JT is no master coach. That is pretty obvious. We did though have plenty of chances out there and if our halves had played anywhere near their salary level we win that game.

 

[stevetiger]

90% of teams that keep the opposing teams to 8 end up winning.

The fact we didn't even score a single point is alarming, I wish Taylor would understand this…

true keep the opposition to 8 and you should win

But the players make the on field decisions now , they have admitted it and so has Taylor

So where is the need to blame Taylor ….........

Taylor is the coach and he says dumb stuff all the time. Why do you back him up. He has honestly been a lot better this year but it's the same old line that all that matters is defence. That is simply not true. Taylor needs to grasp simple basic concepts such as you need to score more points than the opposition.

The blame should definitely be on the halves but stop trying to defend Taylor. He was right in that loss as well. Same as he was right in the first 2 wins of the season.

 

[Harvey]

If the young halves do not take on the line every now and again the attack gets very predicable and the defenders just hang off and wait for Teddy and the runners.

 

[stevetiger]

If the young halves do not take on the line every now and again the attack gets very predicable and the defenders just hang off and wait for Teddy and the runners.

They definitely have to run the ball. They also have to pass it and kick it. They have talent. I'm just not sure if they are consistent football players.

To be fair that was the worst game I've seen Moses play. Brooks though puts in games like that regularly.

 

[Newtown]

When you're playing against a good defensive team like parra were yesterday you need to build pressure and force repeat sets when attacking the line or kick deep to the corners and keep turning your opposition around when coming out of our own end and completing your sets, you need to be relentless with this… Too many times our kicking options were just not up to scratch or our ball retention let us down to put any pressure on parra, is this the coaches fault that these guys took the wrong options?

Maybe Moses should not be the player taking kicks in play but who else is there to do the kicking, Rankin, Farah?

 

[Newtown]

If the young halves do not take on the line every now and again the attack gets very predicable and the defenders just hang off and wait for Teddy and the runners.

Maybe one of these halves has to drop back to State Cup to regain his touch and confidence. Time for a steadier half in first grade but the club's logic "we have invested a lot of money on this pair so we can't drop them a grade". Nonsense.

 

[Eddie]

All this attack v defence is complete garbage.

Players and Taylor are responsible for winning games.

If they score 8 and we score 0 thats a failure for me

If we score 2 and they score 0 thats a triumph

If we score 36 and they score 30 thats a triumph.

If they score 40 and we score 38 thats a failure.

Maybe im an idiot but thats the way i look at it.

 

[stryker]

One thing I would like to see mentioned is how this side and it's coaching staff struggle to get the balance right.

Game 1 = Brilliant attack but poor defence
Game 2 = Brilliant attack but average defence
Game 3 = Poor attack but average defence with good patches
Game 4 = Putrid attack but great defence.

The two main aspects of our game are inversely related and until this evens out we are in trouble. Looking at the pattern this year I'd suggest we will revert to how we played in weeks 1&2 and attack well against the sharks but defend poorly.

 

[TrueTiger]

All this attack v defence is complete garbage.

Players and Taylor are responsible for winning games.

If they score 8 and we score 0 thats a failure for me

If we score 2 and they score 0 thats a triumph

If we score 36 and they score 30 thats a triumph.

If they score 40 and we score 38 thats a failure.

Maybe im an idiot but thats the way i look at it.

Eddie,just to add to your input,if Taylor gives the team the structured game plan and they don't execute it as it should be,how is that Taylors fault…how about JT captain coaches the side and he can shoulder all the blame...fairdinkum,when are some people going to realise that maybe the hype surrounding these two may not have the substance it had predicted. As I said many times before,its a different kettle of fish starring in NYC,and then stepping into the big arena....Brooks in particular does best with a seasoned playmaker beside him..eg his debut game against the Dragons,Benji saved his butt and made him look good at the same time...no more Benji to fall back on...