Hooker situation

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.

Edit: his stats probably look good cos teams were targeting Oporto king.


Oporto King has better tackle efficiency than Mbye, and most of the centres in the game. That doesnt match my own eyes, can only suggest its because it doesnt include teh times he doesnt get a hand on them.

I don’t like tackle efficiency as a stat. A winger for example might only have to make 4 tackles in a game and 3 of them are Sivo in an unstoppable position. Then he pulls off a brilliant try saver in the corner. Tackle efficiency = 25% but he actually did his job effectively, circumstances were against him.

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

I think it’s a flawed stat. Individually I’m not saying you’re wrong, I think you would agree with our coach though, defense as a team needs to improve this year and I hope we are using the word ‘outstanding’ to describe it this year.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

I think it’s a flawed stat. Individually I’m not saying you’re wrong, I think you would agree with our coach though, defense as a team needs to improve this year and I hope we are using the word ‘outstanding’ to describe it this year.

I take your point that Tackle Efficiency doesnt tell the full story as you have said, but over a longer period it starts to tell a story. If someone has a high efficiency over a longer period, he is likely to be a good tackler and therefore a good defender, and vice versa.

Totally agree on the team aspect of defence (Souffs game a perfect example) and of course I agree with you on this season.

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

I think it’s a flawed stat. Individually I’m not saying you’re wrong, I think you would agree with our coach though, defense as a team needs to improve this year and I hope we are using the word ‘outstanding’ to describe it this year.

I take your point that Tackle Efficiency doesnt tell the full story as you have said, but over a longer period it starts to tell a story. If someone has a high efficiency over a longer period, he is likely to be a good tackler and therefore a good defender, and vice versa.

Totally agree on the team aspect of defence (Souffs game a perfect example) and of course I agree with you on this season.

I think the stat is better suited to middle forwards where collisions tend to be more front on. Defending in the centres or on an edge can be an absolute nightmare and some games 70% is a miracle.

Edit: pumped about our left edge with Luci/Brooks and right edge with Douehi/Jet/Nof this year.

 

[Russell]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.


Best defender in our backline by a long way.

Except when he runs in on four occasions in one game and leaves his winger holding the bag.

Apart from that.....

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.


Best defender in our backline by a long way.

Except when he runs in on four occasions in one game and leaves his winger holding the bag.

Apart from that.....

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt Russell and assume you have gone off early and not ready the numerous posts I made since that one, where I said he defended poorly in that ***one*** game. Question is, why in that one game? Clearly it was because of Hoffman outside him, whether it was poor positioning on Hoffmans part, lack of confidence on Mbyes part, lack of communication with both of them, the point being he was only poor in that one game and there clearly was a reason.

I stand by my statement, Mbye is the best defender in our backline (even with that one poor game).

 

[Russell]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

Don't forget Croker at 85.3, Best 86.1, Lomax 87.7

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

Don't forget Croker at 85.3, Best 86.1, Lomax 87.7

He is in good company, your point?

 

[hobbo1]

Is this the “hooker” thread ?

 

[Rowdy12]

The Liddle is a poor defender myth has always perplexed me. Ive watched him from day 1 and everytime Ive seen him he looks like an excellent defender. I dont know if its because he is built very slight, or maybe it was purely Robbies groupies (who seemed to hate him for some reason) however I have never seen it.

On Sunday Taupau, Paseka and then Aloiai would all change their line to pick him out, I dont recall him missing a single tackle.

 

[Russell]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

Don't forget Croker at 85.3, Best 86.1, Lomax 87.7


He is in good company, your point?

The point being you talked him up to be the 4th best defending centre in the NRL - without trying I've just dropped him down to 7th.

However forget stats - they can pretty much be made to put across any point.

I just don't like a guy, who is supposed to be a GOOD defender (your words) - played numerous positions, a few clubs under their belt, captain of the team and a SOO player - that leaves a young guy to defend against at least two players on 4 occasions. Communication, or no faith in the young guy you say.

If a guy with his experience and the captain to boot has a communication problem with a rookie .....

He is supposed to help the rookie for God's sake, take him under his wing - I don't care if it was only one game in the season, he showed me, firstly he should not be captain (tick), and it is only my opinion - I would never play him in the NRL again unless it was absolutely necessary (cronic injury situation).

Quite happy for you to disagree, which I've noted you do.

 

[BAGNF05]

The Liddle is a poor defender myth has always perplexed me. Ive watched him from day 1 and everytime Ive seen him he looks like an excellent defender. I dont know if its because he is built very slight, or maybe it was purely Robbies groupies (who seemed to hate him for some reason) however I have never seen it.

On Sunday Taupau, Paseka and then Aloiai would all change their line to pick him out, I dont recall him missing a single tackle.

I can’t cope with all these, we’ve got great defenders posts. We totally suck in defense going on recent history. We are standing behind our posts way too many times in games. I don’t think it’s technique or that blokes can’t tackle, it’s been an attitude problem that hopefully we can finally turn around in 2021.

We literally went half a season without keeping a team under 26 points, an Australian record.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

Don't forget Croker at 85.3, Best 86.1, Lomax 87.7


He is in good company, your point?

The point being you talked him up to be the 4th best defending centre in the NRL - without trying I've just dropped him down to 7th.

However forget stats - they can pretty much be made to put across any point.

I just don't like a guy, who is supposed to be a GOOD defender (your words) - played numerous positions, a few clubs under their belt, captain of the team and a SOO player - that leaves a young guy to defend against at least two players on 4 occasions. Communication, or no faith in the young guy you say.

If a guy with his experience and the captain to boot has a communication problem with a rookie .....

He is supposed to help the rookie for God's sake, take him under his wing - I don't care if it was only one game in the season, he showed me, firstly he should not be captain (tick), and it is only my opinion - I would never play him in the NRL again unless it was absolutely necessary (cronic injury situation).

Quite happy for you to disagree, which I've noted you do.

Dont put words in my mouth. I havent made any point regarding his captaincy, and I notice you only listed two of the possible reasons that the defence between Mbye & Hoffman was sewer, the other obvious reason, which I politely alluded to because he was a 19yo rookie, is he simply wasnt up to it and was out of position. I only made two points. Firstly that was the only poor defensive game he had, and that other than that game he is a good defender. I posted stats merely back up my opinion that is based on watching him play.

YOu clearly dont like him as a player and that is your right to have that opinion, you can even think he is a poor defender although in my opinion that isnt backed up by my experience of watching him or his stats.

This is a HOOKER thread, the only point I made and the only reason I have spoken about Mbye, is someone else used his defence as a reason he should never get picked and as I have clearly said, I think that is the weakest reason to not pick him. As I have also said...I wouldnt pick him.

 

[Russell]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

Don't forget Croker at 85.3, Best 86.1, Lomax 87.7


He is in good company, your point?

The point being you talked him up to be the 4th best defending centre in the NRL - without trying I've just dropped him down to 7th.

However forget stats - they can pretty much be made to put across any point.

I just don't like a guy, who is supposed to be a GOOD defender (your words) - played numerous positions, a few clubs under their belt, captain of the team and a SOO player - that leaves a young guy to defend against at least two players on 4 occasions. Communication, or no faith in the young guy you say.

If a guy with his experience and the captain to boot has a communication problem with a rookie .....

He is supposed to help the rookie for God's sake, take him under his wing - I don't care if it was only one game in the season, he showed me, firstly he should not be captain (tick), and it is only my opinion - I would never play him in the NRL again unless it was absolutely necessary (cronic injury situation).

Quite happy for you to disagree, which I've noted you do.


Dont put words in my mouth. I havent made any point regarding his captaincy, and I notice you only listed two of the possible reasons that the defence between Mbye & Hoffman was sewer, the other obvious reason, which I politely alluded to because he was a 19yo rookie, is he simply wasnt up to it and was out of position. I only made two points. Firstly that was the only poor defensive game he had, and that other than that game he is a good defender. I posted stats merely back up my opinion that is based on watching him play.

YOu clearly dont like him as a player and that is your right to have that opinion, you can even think he is a poor defender although in my opinion that isnt backed up by my experience of watching him or his stats.

This is a HOOKER thread, the only point I made and the only reason I have spoken about Mbye, is someone else used his defence as a reason he should never get picked and as I have clearly said, I think that is the weakest reason to not pick him. As I have also said...I wouldnt pick him.

Mate tone down the anger - I don't give a rats about Mbye . Let's leave it at that while we still talk.

 

[hobbo1]

Mbye is a crap hooker ..
The end .

 

[Tiger5150]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.


I agree, go and watch the Souths game, see how many times he raced up out of the line trying to cut it off. Then watch how many other games that happened in..........now work out what might have been the difference between the one game, and every other game where his defence was outstanding.

(hint, he had a 19yo debutant outside him)

There is nothing in any centres manual that says race out of the line if you don’t trust your winger. He was given a bath by a classy backline in that game. Mind you that backline made many centres look silly last year.

I’m not saying he is bad but collectively we’ve been really poor for years, that’s straight out of Madges mouth not mine. It takes 13 guys in tandem to defend well and somebody labelled his defense ‘outstanding’ and I just haven’t seen it. That’s my point.


My point is, I HAVE seen it, he is a great defender, watched it with my own eyes regularly. The stats back it up. He was very bad that game against Souffs, clearly because he didnt trust/couldnt communicate with Hoffman, or Hoffman was out of position. It was the only poor game. Mbye missed 3 tackles that game, which is the most he missed in a game all season.

Played 1 game at hooker and made 59 tackles, missed 1.



Stats don’t tell the full story. I’ll take your word you watched him more closely than me but I was left fuming at the whole team most weeks because we simply didn’t have a dig in defense. Nobody gets a pass from me.

The stats also show he misses 3 tackles a lot. That’s potentially 18 points.

And yet has the best tackle efficiency of NRL centres behind Wighton, Brenko Lee and Joey.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have him in the 13, and Im 50/50 about him in 14. I was responding to someone else who said he wouldnt have him in the team because of his defence, I am merely pointing out that that is the worst reason for not picking him, you wouldnt pick any of the backs on that criteria. He IS a good defender.

Don't forget Croker at 85.3, Best 86.1, Lomax 87.7


He is in good company, your point?

The point being you talked him up to be the 4th best defending centre in the NRL - without trying I've just dropped him down to 7th.

However forget stats - they can pretty much be made to put across any point.

I just don't like a guy, who is supposed to be a GOOD defender (your words) - played numerous positions, a few clubs under their belt, captain of the team and a SOO player - that leaves a young guy to defend against at least two players on 4 occasions. Communication, or no faith in the young guy you say.

If a guy with his experience and the captain to boot has a communication problem with a rookie .....

He is supposed to help the rookie for God's sake, take him under his wing - I don't care if it was only one game in the season, he showed me, firstly he should not be captain (tick), and it is only my opinion - I would never play him in the NRL again unless it was absolutely necessary (cronic injury situation).

Quite happy for you to disagree, which I've noted you do.


Dont put words in my mouth. I havent made any point regarding his captaincy, and I notice you only listed two of the possible reasons that the defence between Mbye & Hoffman was sewer, the other obvious reason, which I politely alluded to because he was a 19yo rookie, is he simply wasnt up to it and was out of position. I only made two points. Firstly that was the only poor defensive game he had, and that other than that game he is a good defender. I posted stats merely back up my opinion that is based on watching him play.

YOu clearly dont like him as a player and that is your right to have that opinion, you can even think he is a poor defender although in my opinion that isnt backed up by my experience of watching him or his stats.

This is a HOOKER thread, the only point I made and the only reason I have spoken about Mbye, is someone else used his defence as a reason he should never get picked and as I have clearly said, I think that is the weakest reason to not pick him. As I have also said...I wouldnt pick him.

Mate tone down the anger - I don't give a rats about Mbye . Let's leave it at that while we still talk.

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[jirskyr]

I’d say the most likely situation will be start of the season Liddle starts at 9, Mbye at the 14 and Simpkin in reserve grade for a bit and then into the team by say round 7 or 8

Why would Mbye be in the 14 when he has been training in the 1 all off season....I hope your not pinning your hopes on a rookie to to play 1 with hardly any NRL experience ....

As someone said here "Mbye at 1 in 2019 still gives me nightmares" and I could not agree more.
I never saw anyone work so hard to be so useless.
***Mbye would literally be in the right place to tackle and save the try and be... the perfect speedhump.***
Just so much running, so much passing, heck Mbye has soft hands I will give him that. But no scoring.

Happy for the Rookie to earn his spot. Considering we forgo Momo to get him though I expect the rookie to be in rnd 3.

Are you seriously suggesting Mbye is a poor defender?

There is an irrational hatred of Mbye that I don’t understand. He’s not worth what he’s being paid but to suggest he’s a poor defender is ridiculous.

Every player who has played for Wests Tigers in the past 5 years needs to prove to us and themselves they can defend. We concede 30-50 points most weeks. Sure there’s probably a few trying hard but we’re certainly not defending as a unit. Cant see how we can defend them. We’ve been atrocious.

Plus Mbye was a turnstile against Souths last year. He isn’t a centre.


Mbye played 15 games last year, 13 of them at centre. You remember one game that he defended poorly, which is coincidentally the one game he had a 19yo debutant outside him. He had a tackle efficiency last year of 82.4%. He is a good defender.

We broke some record for most weeks conceding 28 points in a row or something like that. Tackling is a team effort and we were the ordinary, he might be a good defender but I’ll need evidence.


**Mbye Tackle efficiency 82.4%**
Curtis Scott 81.3%
Dane Gagai 82.2%
Joseph Manu 82.1 %
Katoni Staggs 78.3%
Zac Lomax 78.8%
Justin Olam 80.2%
**Paul Momorovski 77.2%**

These are cold hard stats (NRL stats) but then I don"t need them, I watch the games with my own eyes and Mbye is a great defender.

Those figures mean nothing. Doesn’t tell you how many of those misses lead to line breaks or tries, watch the highlights against Souths last year. He looked like a kid against men.

In fairness to the stats, a majority of missed tackles by centres lead to line breaks? Same as a majority of missed tackles by fullbacks lead to tries.

 

[Needaname]

Mbye is a crap hooker ..
The end .

59 tackles and 1 missed says otherwise

 

[hobbo1]

Mbye is a crap hooker ..
The end .

59 tackles and 1 missed says otherwise

Sorry mate ..I don’t do stats ..
Nice try though.

 

[Needaname]

Mbye is a crap hooker ..
The end .

59 tackles and 1 missed says otherwise

Sorry mate ..I don’t do stats ..
Nice try though.

Either way. If we are forced to go down that path at least we know he more then holds his own in the middle.