How bad is this side??

[gallagher]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

 

[cqtiger]

Constant bagging of the current young team for years of disappointing performance on and off the field is really counter productive and doesn't encourage the young blokes we have to keep going.
So some balance is needed - Laurie Stefano Douehi Talau Mikaele Simpkins Liddle all need to be supported and given a sense that this club is building toward something even if it's not showing on the field atm. We are not the only club struggling with inconsistency under the new rules and we have probably one of most inexperienced squads.

Agree Telltails - Laurie, Stefano, AD, Talau, Mikaele, Simpkins and Liddle certainly do need support but it needs to come from their team mates not so much from this forum.

 

[Telltails]

Constant bagging of the current young team for years of disappointing performance on and off the field is really counter productive and doesn't encourage the young blokes we have to keep going.
So some balance is needed - Laurie Stefano Douehi Talau Mikaele Simpkins Liddle all need to be supported and given a sense that this club is building toward something even if it's not showing on the field atm. We are not the only club struggling with inconsistency under the new rules and we have probably one of most inexperienced squads.

Agree Telltails - Laurie, Stefano, AD, Talau, Mikaele, Simpkins and Liddle certainly do need support but it needs to come from their team mates not so much from this forum.

Not disagreeing with that. But players are privy to fan reactions more than ever and these young guys should not be feeling the burden of years of poor performances through irate fans. They can easily go somewhere else and not carry the weight or expectation of lifting an underperforming club out of the doldrums like plenty of others have chosen to do before them.

 

[2005magic]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Thanks TonyTiger.

ONe thing is clear from my point of view. I am damned pleased its not me in the hot seat trying to figure out what to do with the team. Somewhat ironically despite all Ive said, I do think we arent too far off it but I just cant figure out what 'it' is. I think one or two key changes to roster for vital positions and leadership may just bring it together. Whether that includes the coach and his staff in not being able to get the team to gel and work as a group I'm suspecting it may be but only the inner sanctum of the club really knows whats going on on that front.

I love the Wests Tigers, they will be my team forever, I cant help it, but by god they try me so. Ive almost reached a stage of thinking they will never compete for the grand final again and possibly rarely ever appear in the final 8 in my remaining lifetime, but I always will want them there in the competition. With my beloved Magpies gone and WT in their place, I just think Im a born masochist and just cant help it.

As to the home ground I just want to have one. I do think we rare a inner city background club so the ground should be somewhere there. IT needs to have Govt development $$$ to help its upgrade and be readily accessible by public transport.

 

[TonyTiger]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

 

[twentyforty]

Saw the replays of the long range tries. Look at who chases and who gives up.

A couple of our highest paid players and so called "leaders" including a recent captain jog along.

That is attitude, and at our club the attitude stinks. Those that seem to play with the most passion are some of the forums favourite scapegoats.

Someone at the ground last night made an interesting comment. We have given up on developing juniors and recruiting mercenaries. The have no pride in the jersey and no passion for the club. They simply turn up to collect a pay check.

Yeh, I know what you mean. I think Brooks should have dived, but you could see he was committed in the chase. A player who never chases hard is BJ. However in all honesty they are all slow and have no chance of catching a player who”s eyes are fixed on a clear run to the line.

 

[TonyTiger]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Thanks TonyTiger.

ONe thing is clear from my point of view. I am damned pleased its not me in the hot seat trying to figure out what to do with the team. Somewhat ironically despite all Ive said, I do think we arent too far off it but I just cant figure out what 'it' is. I think one or two key changes to roster for vital positions and leadership may just bring it together. Whether that includes the coach and his staff in not being able to get the team to gel and work as a group I'm suspecting it may be but only the inner sanctum of the club really knows whats going on on that front.

I love the Wests Tigers, they will be my team forever, I cant help it, but by god they try me so. Ive almost reached a stage of thinking they will never compete for the grand final again and possibly rarely ever appear in the final 8 in my remaining lifetime, but I always will want them there in the competition. With my beloved Magpies gone and WT in their place, I just think Im a born masochist and just cant help it.

As to the home ground I just want to have one. I do think we rare a inner city background club so the ground should be somewhere there. IT needs to have Govt development $$$ to help its upgrade and be readily accessible by public transport.

I feel like I know you already, I can tell you’re a nice person. You would remember the old days when you got remunerated depending on a WIN or a LOSS!
Well those games were fought to the death when your wage depended the game result. Needless to say teamwork was at the top of every player’s priority.

 

[NT_Tiger]

The Wests Tigers team is a developing side. It will take time.
The Wests Tigers fans are a bunch of premature evaluators. They want it now.

 

[TonyTiger]

The Wests Tigers team is a developing side. It will take time.
The Wests Tigers fans are a bunch of premature evaluators. They want it now.

I’m developing a headache.

 

[gallagher]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

 

[BZN]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

I am cut from the same cloth mate, I am old West fan who used to catch the train from the country to watch them play at Lidcombe oval when I was a kid.
I then followed them out to Orana Park, there were some bad teams and lean years in that time, but the team always had a crack, unlike these pea hearts.
Your assessment of Brooks and Madge is like I wrote it myself, and the one home ground, I made a thread on that, I am deadset embarrassed to be a supporter these days.
Tommy's family must be absolutely filthy they failed to turn up twice in memory of him, the fact Madge couldn't rev them up is a sure sign he has run his race here.

[/QUOTE]

Like you, I am absolutely gutted by the pathetic performance from Wests Tigers in both Tommy Raudonikis memorial matches.
They have shown complete disrespect for Tommy and his Mighty Magpies jersey.

Even though a couple of them played well, none of this current bunch of pansies would have had the Mental or Physical strength to compete with Tommy.
I feel really bad that Tommy's Family had to witness 2 such totally gutless displays.

Also, I dont think it would be to much to ask that the players get together and produce a video apologising to Tommy's Family and Wests Tigers fans, for their non-display of football and vowing to perform to the best of their ability as a united team for all remaining matches.

 

[izotope]

The Wests Tigers team is a developing side. It will take time.
The Wests Tigers fans are a bunch of premature evaluators. They want it now.

Kinda been 10 years since finals, no doubt that is part of the massive frustration.

 

[TonyTiger]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

Rejoice in your stats, I’ll stay at home and watch it on Fox and create my own atmosphere ... I want tribalism not binoculars

 

[gallagher]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

Rejoice in your stats, I’ll stay at home and watch it on Fox and create my own atmosphere ... I want tribalism not binoculars

Got no problem with you preferring the small grounds. But you don't speak for all fans as your first post suggested.

 

[hobbo1]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

Campbelltown is a stadium is it not ?

 

[TonyTiger]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

Rejoice in your stats, I’ll stay at home and watch it on Fox and create my own atmosphere ... I want tribalism not binoculars

Got no problem with you preferring the small grounds. But you don't speak for all fans as your first post suggested.

The field size is the same everywhere, the NRL does have standards, the atmosphere differs, anyhow enjoy your stats whilst the NSW Govt plays favourites by committing their funds to Liberal electorates in Brookvale and Kohorah whilst snubbing Leichhardt and Campbelltown stadiums.
In hope you don’t have a glass jaw like ScoMo ?

 

[gallagher]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

Rejoice in your stats, I’ll stay at home and watch it on Fox and create my own atmosphere ... I want tribalism not binoculars

Got no problem with you preferring the small grounds. But you don't speak for all fans as your first post suggested.

The field size is the same everywhere, the NRL does have standards, the atmosphere differs, anyhow enjoy your stats whilst the NSW Govt plays favourites by committing their funds to Liberal electorates in Brookvale and Kohorah whilst snubbing Leichhardt and Campbelltown stadiums.
In hope you don’t have a glass jaw like ScoMo ?

Gee,I reckon your the one with a glass jaw. Don't be afraid of the truth, embrace it.

 

[gallagher]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

Campbelltown is a stadium is it not ?

Only in name my friend.

 

[TonyTiger]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

Rejoice in your stats, I’ll stay at home and watch it on Fox and create my own atmosphere ... I want tribalism not binoculars

Got no problem with you preferring the small grounds. But you don't speak for all fans as your first post suggested.

The field size is the same everywhere, the NRL does have standards, the atmosphere differs, anyhow enjoy your stats whilst the NSW Govt plays favourites by committing their funds to Liberal electorates in Brookvale and Kohorah whilst snubbing Leichhardt and Campbelltown stadiums.
In hope you don’t have a glass jaw like ScoMo ?

Gee,I reckon your the one with a glass jaw. Don't be afraid of the truth, embrace it.

Don’t forget to subtract 50% off your Double Header crowd stats, otherwise that would be misleading ?

 

[gallagher]

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You can’t compare a game on a cold night against a Queensland team with minimal travelling supporters

Well Im 61 and Ive been following league since I was around 5 and my dad took me to Pratten Park to see the Magpies play and Ive been a Magpie supporter since then through thick and thin, now a Wests Tigers supporter since merge.

A few observations now on this team inc coach.

* Brooks is done, for the good of both please go and try somewhere else. Take the pressure off both club and yourself.

* our players are mentally soft- no idea how to fix it, other clubs dont have as big a problem but geez, its a biggie.

* Our defence is crap, little scramble and little effort.

* Maguire is done. This season has to be his last. We need fresh ideas but we are on the correct path with developing youth and not really paying overs except for a marque player if ever we can get one for that key player. I reckon that may be more due to Hartigan than Maguire.

* Pick one homeground and for gods sake lets try to make is our castle. Campbelltown / Leichhardt doesnt do it for the team, so history aint going to drive anything (and Lidcombe is now in Parra territory). Think either ANZ stadium or Sydney FS must be it. I think the reality is we are an inner city club, so lets get our homeground somewhere there even sharing a facility is fine unless it is overly identified with a rival eg Bankwest being Parra's turf.

* Pascoe may be on his last legs and tiring of the load.

At very elast we wont be bothering the Dally M awards for this year.

You had me applauding until you wanted to dump our suburban jewels for shared, uninviting, no atmosphere stadiums.
I guess you haven’t actually been to a game for some time?

Nope. Last went to a game at Campbelltown in late 90's before I moved out of Sydney. Since then been living in Canberra with multi year postings to Singapore , Port Moresby and Jakarta.

THat statement on a home ground reflected the players lack of effort at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown our spiritual, so called fortresses. It meant nothing to them- no fight, no honour, no effort. So, if the spiritual home grounds mean nothing to them, why should we, the poor, frustrated fans stick with that too????? eg Tommy meant something to all of us, seems like he meant nothing to the players and they didnt even try.

I hear what you’re saying and I agree about the players attitudes, it’s the responsibility of the coaching staff to highly motivate the players for such occasions ala Roy Masters style approach!
The coach can yell, scream and pint fingers but it requires more than that in the dressing room - the guy with the porn star haircut (or someone in management) should have ensured there were motivation videos of the halcyon days of Tommy, Dorahy, Les Boyd, Dallas Donnelly cranking up to unimaginable levels in that dressing room prior to kick off ... most of these players weren’t around during those halcyon days so a chat from the coach is more akin to a bedtime story - no wonder they were sleep walking out on the field.
I’m from the Balmain side of the merger but I remember the ferocity of the Wests pack back in Tommy’s era - spine tingling stuff!!!
For the players to absorb the era of this amazing man Tommy Raudonikas it needs to be slick audio/visual cranked up to the max in the dressing room leading up to kick off.
Trust me - the major shared stadiums are a major turnoff to supporters ... I went to the 2005 Grand Final and had good seats in the members area but it was like watching a silent movie (without Charlie Chaplin) with no feel for the game, can’t hear the ref’s whistle or players.

Well 8000 last night compared to 29000 at ANZ and 14000 at Bankwest suggests otherwise.

You are comparing apples with marbles:
Last night’s game was a cold night against against an interstate team that had little support!
The 2 games you are comparing with are:
1). The Bankwest game was a warm sunny afternoon packed with Manly supporters drawn there by Turbo Tom in top form.
2). The ANZ game you refer to was again a Sydney team in Souths in top form - again packed with mad Bunnies supporters.

If you want to come to the table then don’t bring me a rubbish argument,.

I got 16 years of stats of our stadiums getting bigger crowds than the suburban ones.

Rejoice in your stats, I’ll stay at home and watch it on Fox and create my own atmosphere ... I want tribalism not binoculars

Got no problem with you preferring the small grounds. But you don't speak for all fans as your first post suggested.

The field size is the same everywhere, the NRL does have standards, the atmosphere differs, anyhow enjoy your stats whilst the NSW Govt plays favourites by committing their funds to Liberal electorates in Brookvale and Kohorah whilst snubbing Leichhardt and Campbelltown stadiums.
In hope you don’t have a glass jaw like ScoMo ?

Gee,I reckon your the one with a glass jaw. Don't be afraid of the truth, embrace it.

Don’t forget to subtract 50% off your Double Header crowd stats, otherwise that would be misleading ?

I'm only counting ANZ Bankwest and SFS. How many double headers have we played at those venues? Bugger all, if any, to change the stats much.