How Russell Packer turned from inmate to university graduate

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Under the influence of grog I saw an excellent guy turn into a murderer - purely the grog but his mates would take him out drinking. After getting off the charge he was again an excellent guy - justice??? Blame our grog-filled societies.

Did he have the evil in him regardless of the grog influence?
There are very few purely evil people…. People do evil things tho.
I've known a few as well who in a moment of madness and under the influence have destroyed not only someone else's life but their own.
Only a person that needs help can seek it himself...no one else can do it. If these mistakes keep happening under the influence then that can't be forgiven... But sometimes rock bottom is what it takes to make people wake up- seek help and realise they're killing themselves and others
Credit to Packer for learning from his offensive and bettering himself... He had two choices, he chose the best one.
 
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Not one mention or concern for the bloke he stomped out, all about the effects on him. Total scum.

Stryker, alcohol is a plague on society. Him being exposed to it at 12 years old is child abuse. From that point on the development of his character and decision making was highly likely to be impaired.

Yes what he did is wrong.

People like you love to dish out the word scum. It makes you feel good. You see the vision of his savage and horrible attack and subconsciously you reason "I would never do that, I am much better than that"

You then judge him and determine that the line between good and bad people is drawn right down the middle of you and Russell.

A friend of mine, Michael teaches primary school kids. One lesson Michael asked the kids to make a list of good and bad actions. They made a list of lying, stealing, fighting with brother or sister, caring for others, charity work, listening to parents, hugging someone who is sad, Murder etc

Michael then asked them to put the list in order from most good the worst bad. The children arranged the list across the classroom floor debating as they went.

**Michael then instructed them to go and stand on the list** on the point where they would call someone 'good'. The kids ran to their spot, arranged roughly along the line favouring the middle section.

The last instruction was for each kid to now move to where they measure themselves.

No-one moved.

Michael explained to me that he has done the exercise dozens of times. Each child defines societies divide between good and bad people by the spot on the line where they are considered good.

Stryker you may not stomp on someone's head but **I guarantee you love eating out dispite knowing you could save a starving Sirian refuge with the money.** If you stood in a room with the mother of that Sirian child I guarantee she would look at you as far more evil than a reformed Packer.

Packer has faced his own evil. He has taken responsibility for his choice and committed to being a better version of himself.

I friend of mine met him this year. One who now barely writes on here because of all the negativity. He said, "you could barely imagine a nicer bloke". Packer gave him loads of time, took an interest in him and represented himself very well.

I am glad he is now a Tiger. Welcome to the Tiges Russell. I respect what you have done with your life since recovering.

Love the distinctions in your results.

A. Lucky he didn't ask them to go and stand on someone's head.
B. And, seriously, we're all supposed to feel guilty and depressed about eating because someone else in the world is starving… and that's a strange comparison to jumping on someones cranium when you're drunk.
As for Packer - it's good he's at least trying to get past his demons but lets not make him out to be Mother Theresa.
 
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Please this guy is no role model and should not be celebrated at all. I came from a pretty crappy environment, exposed to all sorts of things but I chose not to go down that path. I didn't commit despicable acts on others and I never expect others to help me just because I'm good at one thing.

Oh to have had 'rugby league' skills and being afforded a free education. To have been given the structure that this guy has, a manager, welfare officers, the salary, clubs that bend over backwards and provide free meals, cars, everything is taken care of and they still find ways & other things to blame.

Packer is a P.O.S of the highest order, I don't care what he has done since, the fact is he has shown what he is already capable of and the media trying to make this out as some sort of redemption story and not concentrate on others who don't disgrace the game, their family and other innocents, is pathetic journalism. This guy has been very lucky to get a 2nd/3rd/4th chance.

I cannot throw away my love of the club as it is something that I grew up with but the officials that led to this signing have a lot to be desired.

In other words, no one has a right to redemption?

Where did I say no-one has a right to redemption? What act of redemption has he done? Has he repaid the community for the costs of his incarceration? Has he provided compensation to the people he committed criminal acts upon? Or has he just attempted to redeem his and his families own wellbeing?
 
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Please this guy is no role model and should not be celebrated at all. I came from a pretty crappy environment, exposed to all sorts of things but I chose not to go down that path. I didn't commit despicable acts on others and I never expect others to help me just because I'm good at one thing.

Oh to have had 'rugby league' skills and being afforded a free education. To have been given the structure that this guy has, a manager, welfare officers, the salary, clubs that bend over backwards and provide free meals, cars, everything is taken care of and they still find ways & other things to blame.

Packer is a P.O.S of the highest order, I don't care what he has done since, the fact is he has shown what he is already capable of and the media trying to make this out as some sort of redemption story and not concentrate on others who don't disgrace the game, their family and other innocents, is pathetic journalism. This guy has been very lucky to get a 2nd/3rd/4th chance.

I cannot throw away my love of the club as it is something that I grew up with but the officials that led to this signing have a lot to be desired.

Nothing personal.
You may be mistake free but gee you sure sound bitter and angry… Apt username... It's not a perfect world.
Forgiveness is as much for yourself as it is for the other party... It's beneficial and from your post it seems like it would do you some good
 
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Please this guy is no role model and should not be celebrated at all. I came from a pretty crappy environment, exposed to all sorts of things but I chose not to go down that path. I didn't commit despicable acts on others and I never expect others to help me just because I'm good at one thing.

Oh to have had 'rugby league' skills and being afforded a free education. To have been given the structure that this guy has, a manager, welfare officers, the salary, clubs that bend over backwards and provide free meals, cars, everything is taken care of and they still find ways & other things to blame.

Packer is a P.O.S of the highest order, I don't care what he has done since, the fact is he has shown what he is already capable of and the media trying to make this out as some sort of redemption story and not concentrate on others who don't disgrace the game, their family and other innocents, is pathetic journalism. This guy has been very lucky to get a 2nd/3rd/4th chance.

I cannot throw away my love of the club as it is something that I grew up with but the officials that led to this signing have a lot to be desired.

Nothing personal.
You may be mistake free but gee you sure sound bitter and angry… Apt username... It's not a perfect world.
Forgiveness is as much for yourself as it is for the other party... It's beneficial and from your post it seems like it would do you some good

What? Forgiveness, would do me some good? Am I meant to forgive Packer? Seriously… Sorry mr 24 year old guy with 2 young kids stomping on people heads, please forgive me for forming an opinion on you. Now would you mind please paying back some of your earnings to me for the taxes I paid to lock up your ass for your crimes.
 
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Under the influence of grog I saw an excellent guy turn into a murderer - purely the grog but his mates would take him out drinking. After getting off the charge he was again an excellent guy - justice??? Blame our grog-filled societies.

**<big>Did he have the evil in him regardless of the grog influence?</big>**
There are very few purely evil people…. People do evil things tho.
I've known a few as well who in a moment of madness and under the influence have destroyed not only someone else's life but their own.
Only a person that needs help can seek it himself...no one else can do it. If these mistakes keep happening under the influence then that can't be forgiven... But sometimes rock bottom is what it takes to make people wake up- seek help and realise they're killing themselves and others
Credit to Packer for learning from his offensive and bettering himself... He had two choices, he chose the best one.

No evil when away from the grog - a responsible hard working family man. He became a real nasty species when drunk.
 
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Not one mention or concern for the bloke he stomped out, all about the effects on him. Total scum.

Stryker, alcohol is a plague on society. Him being exposed to it at 12 years old is child abuse. From that point on the development of his character and decision making was highly likely to be impaired.

Yes what he did is wrong.

People like you love to dish out the word scum. It makes you feel good. You see the vision of his savage and horrible attack and subconsciously you reason "I would never do that, I am much better than that"

You then judge him and determine that the line between good and bad people is drawn right down the middle of you and Russell.

A friend of mine, Michael teaches primary school kids. One lesson Michael asked the kids to make a list of good and bad actions. They made a list of lying, stealing, fighting with brother or sister, caring for others, charity work, listening to parents, hugging someone who is sad, Murder etc

Michael then asked them to put the list in order from most good the worst bad. The children arranged the list across the classroom floor debating as they went.

**Michael then instructed them to go and stand on the list** on the point where they would call someone 'good'. The kids ran to their spot, arranged roughly along the line favouring the middle section.

The last instruction was for each kid to now move to where they measure themselves.

No-one moved.

Michael explained to me that he has done the exercise dozens of times. Each child defines societies divide between good and bad people by the spot on the line where they are considered good.

Stryker you may not stomp on someone's head but **I guarantee you love eating out dispite knowing you could save a starving Sirian refuge with the money.** If you stood in a room with the mother of that Sirian child I guarantee she would look at you as far more evil than a reformed Packer.

Packer has faced his own evil. He has taken responsibility for his choice and committed to being a better version of himself.

I friend of mine met him this year. One who now barely writes on here because of all the negativity. He said, "you could barely imagine a nicer bloke". Packer gave him loads of time, took an interest in him and represented himself very well.

I am glad he is now a Tiger. Welcome to the Tiges Russell. I respect what you have done with your life since recovering.

Love the distinctions in your results.

A. Lucky he didn't ask them to go and stand on someone's head.
B. And, seriously, we're all supposed to feel guilty and depressed about eating because someone else in the world is starving… and that's a strange comparison to jumping on someones cranium when you're drunk.
As for Packer - it's good he's at least trying to get past his demons but lets not make him out to be Mother Theresa.

Cktiger, it's not about feeling guilty. Eating out can be a wonderful thing. Enjoying a meal with friends, family or even just appreciating great food.

My point is the concept of good is relative and typically defined by each individual in a way that makes them feel good about themselves.

The convenient self determination of good allows us all to not ask ourselves 'How can I contribute today?' How can I be better today?

Instead our judgement of others makes us feel that we don't need to be better because someone else is so much worse so we are actually pretty good after all.

I am not good. I have been drunk and done and said hurtful and horrible things. None of above is trying to imply otherwise.
 
This has got out of hand, the bloke made a mistake. Obviously a huge mistake and has made an attempt to turn his life around for himself and his family. He and anyone else in this situation deserves another go at life
Grinding people into the ground because of a error, however small or large, has no evidence anywhere of being a successful way of rehabilitating someone
Bring people back into the fold.
I trust Ivan's judgement of character. He knows the bloke no one here does
 
The alternative is if they stay feral they cost us a fortune to imprison them, i.e., about a quarter to half a million a year. I will cop the feel good story if it keeps my back pocket heavy.
 
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Under the influence of grog I saw an excellent guy turn into a murderer - purely the grog but his mates would take him out drinking. After getting off the charge he was again an excellent guy - justice??? Blame our grog-filled societies.

yes blame the society, the same society that people are saying should be creditted for his "rehab"

we all have crappy pasts, injustices happen to everyone. there are quadraplegics through no fault of their own but they don't blame the "society" for encouraging drinking, they blame the driver who was driving while drinking.

at any given point from 12 years old to the moment that lead to him hitting the victim, he could've said no i need help. the society has various places that you can seek help but no he moved from club to club, pee'd on the field and got drunk.

he's a scumbag for what he did, an absolute moron and please no one try to even reason as to why he did that. he's served his punishment, he has shown that the gaol rehab protocols are working, he's shown that he can turn his life around and he's being an active member of the community by helping out the 12 year old russel packers around the country.

but one of the kids that he meets is going to turn out to be an alcoholic, paralyse or kill someone and then there will be people like you who will say blame the society for pushing alcohol down our throat.
 
Tig prmz… Research denial & addiction.... You say at any point from 12 to the offence he could've sought help, unfortunately addiction - denial a big factor- is very powerful and seeking help often comes from something drastic (rock bottom)
 
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Please this guy is no role model and should not be celebrated at all. I came from a pretty crappy environment, exposed to all sorts of things but I chose not to go down that path. I didn't commit despicable acts on others and I never expect others to help me just because I'm good at one thing.

Oh to have had 'rugby league' skills and being afforded a free education. To have been given the structure that this guy has, a manager, welfare officers, the salary, clubs that bend over backwards and provide free meals, cars, everything is taken care of and they still find ways & other things to blame.

Packer is a P.O.S of the highest order, I don't care what he has done since, the fact is he has shown what he is already capable of and the media trying to make this out as some sort of redemption story and not concentrate on others who don't disgrace the game, their family and other innocents, is pathetic journalism. This guy has been very lucky to get a 2nd/3rd/4th chance.

I cannot throw away my love of the club as it is something that I grew up with but the officials that led to this signing have a lot to be desired.

Nothing personal.
You may be mistake free but gee you sure sound bitter and angry… Apt username... It's not a perfect world.
Forgiveness is as much for yourself as it is for the other party... It's beneficial and from your post it seems like it would do you some good

What? Forgiveness, would do me some good? Am I meant to forgive Packer? Seriously… Sorry mr 24 year old guy with 2 young kids stomping on people heads, please forgive me for forming an opinion on you. Now would you mind please paying back some of your earnings to me for the taxes I paid to lock up your ass for your crimes.

Great post Ink. Angry Ant- thanks for paying your taxes. Money well spent here and from the sounds of the career he may yet have outside of football, your taxes will come back in spades with the taxes Russell Packer will himself pay.
 
The way I see it is that we needed more mongrel in our pack and that we got. He has a NRL contract if he isn't playing for us he'd be playing against us.

I just care about the team and not any individual player. Not gonna make the same mistake as I did with Teddy. It is hard to leave emotion out of it though.
 
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Tig prmz… Research denial & addiction.... You say at any point from 12 to the offence he could've sought help, unfortunately addiction - denial a big factor- is very powerful and seeking help often comes from something drastic (rock bottom)

it's not right that rock bottom involved at the expense of the wellbeing of another individual
i agree, addiction is a tough trait, however that response was in relation to "blame the society", RP has one person to blame and no matter what anyone else says, that to me is an unparalleled truth
 
Russell Packer is a very lucky young man thanks largely to St George for giving him a break when many were reluctant.
His form has allowed him to take advantage of what the NRL offers.
And good form has a way of finding forgiveness/tolerance understanding from many NRL fans. Watch the attitudes change if he doesnt reach the expectations of his very healthy salary next year.
 
I'll preface with saying what he did to the fellow he assaulted was reprehensible. He should never forget his actions, and they should serve as a constant reminder and driving force for him to do better by people in future. I am not thrilled by his signing on that basis, however as much as I don't like it, he was tried, judged and punished accordingly and has served his time.

I've been where his victim was. Blindsided and messed up at a club by a drunken lunatic for simply being there with a woman he fancied. I've never forgotten the bastard nor that I had a fractured eye socket and still have obstructed airways thanks to his handiwork. If the club security hadn't jumped in when they did well who knows what damage he could have done.

Unlike many in society who have stood where he has, he has made the most of opportunity afforded to him post incarceration. Many go on to re-offend (granted, many offenders don't have the ability to be first grade footballers and enjoy what spoils that come from that,) and never break the cycle. I'm not going to sit on my high horse and harp on about how the guy is scum, because while I've never assaulted someone I have treated people poorly in the past, there could be all sorts of ramifications that come from that. All actions have repercussions, he has chosen to better himself and break the cycle. I acknowledge that.
 
We are all acknowledging that he has turned his life around.
I objected to the tone of that article. Riccio and Packer have got together and told half the story and Riccio especially has attacked RL followers who dont like what Packer did and havent forgiven him.
 
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