I think the issue is Sheens

[Halbrowne61]

Haven’t agree with that. I think he believes he could do something with them, always gives hood feedback on what they should do and why.

But we’re dreaming again UTT. Have to make the most of what we’ve got.

Meant to say have to agree with that ( not havent)

 

[ToddSanchez]

Flanagan always talks highly of the Tigers you can tell he wants the job.

He is allowed to have opinions on us if we are playing awfully. I find him to be fairly diplomatic as a pundit. Most of his opinions and reads on match situations are pretty spot on - talks a lot about communication and physicality which are two areas we desperately need to improve.

Chances of it happening (Flanagan) are obviously slim to none at this stage but if our first two points come at the bye we will need to follow the advice of the OP and just get people into this club who can actually help us win. Who cares what they have or haven’t said about us or what their affiliations are - can you get us into the top 8? Who needs to be here and who doesn’t? And then do our best Larry Emdur impersonation.

We are attempting to make the top 8 via nostalgia while everyone else is making cut-throat list decisions, employing relevant coaches and attempting to replicate a gritty style of football, which Melbourne, Roosters and Penrith are the blue print and the case study of, in their attempts. Who do you reckon has a better chance - us or them?

 

[tony soprano]

He is allowed to have opinions on us if we are playing awfully. I find him to be fairly diplomatic as a pundit. Most of his opinions reads on match situations are pretty spot on - talks a lot about communication and physicality which are two areas we desperately need to improve.

Chances of it happening (Flanagan) are obviously slim to none at this stage but if our first two points come at the bye we will need to follow the advice of the OP and just get people into this club who can actually help us win. Who cares what they have or haven’t said about us or what their affiliations is - can you get us into the top 8? Who needs to be here and who doesn’t? And then do our best Larry Emdur impersonation.

We are attempting to make the top 8 via nostalgia while everyone else is making cut-throat list decisions, employing relevant coaches and attempting to replicate a gritty style of football, which Melbourne, Roosters and Penrith are the blue print and the case study of, in their attempts. Who do you reckon has a better chance - us or them?

Sheens can coach the question that needs answering is if his coaching still stands in 2023, 2024.

Sheens was essentially brought in to fire Maguire and has done some good things in the juniors space.

In hindsight Flanagan would of been better with a total new restart. Although being in the 2005 to 2011 era its good to see the band back.

 

[crazycat]

Mate he's got a free pass for 12 probably 24 months and everyone needs to get their heads around that.

Not granted by me, granted by the club.

Seriously the number of fans that want to shout at the wind astounds me.

No he has a free Salary.

Not a free pass.

Slight but important difference. If the board did not write performance clauses into his salary then fire the board.

I set a high bar for Sheens. Yet he has a high squad and should be performing.
If we find that we have wasted a million dollars on him, we can set the bar, find a coach that will do the basics (Shane Flanagan, I won't even say no to Trent Barrett) and we start again. But we do something different, we set a bar.

 

[jirskyr]

No he has a free Salary.

Not a free pass.

Slight but important difference. If the board did not write performance clauses into his salary then fire the board.

I set a high bar for Sheens. Yet he has a high squad and should be performing.
If we find that we have wasted a million dollars on him, we can set the bar, find a coach that will do the basics (Shane Flanagan, I won't even say no to Trent Barrett) and we start again. But we do something different, we set a bar.

No, if Sheens somehow finishes early, then Benji starts early. It's already all been set in stone.

What are Tigers going to do, sack Sheens at the end of 2023 and then hire someone for 1 season until Benji takes control in 2025 as planned? No.

 

[TYGA]

Coaching has been blamed forever and a day. It’s simple we have a weak backline and outside of Api bad halves and no real fullback. You won’t win in this league when your playmakers are not up to par.

 

[liltiger]

What is a high squad? They on the Hong kongs? We were tipped to run 12th by bookies and we’ll be lucky to do that. We gotta get over this blame the coach obsession.

We've been through 7 coaches since sheens first stint, it can't be a problem with all 7 coaches, the one constant has been the club. That's the problem.

 

[liltiger]

Spot on. Sheens is only coach because front office failed to get their man. And the coaches fail because recruitment fails to get the players to turn it around. Jack Gibson “winning starts in the front office”

Pascoe probably would have sacked Jack though..

At the core of it all imo, is a weak as pee sook mentality that is rife throughout the joint. We are a mentally weak club.
When Lee came out and said that the criticism towards Brooks it equivalent to bullying, that proved it to me. Sure people can go too far, but if he isn't performing and is being criticised and the Chair of the board is accusing people of bullying him, he gave the players carte Blanche on excuses. It was a really bad message to send to the players, now any criticism can be brushed off as bullying. If excuses like this are being made by the chair of the board openly in the media, I can't even begin to imagine hos bad it must be in private there atm. I think it was right for Maguire to go, the club neutered him and things were going south, I was on Flanaghan but it wasn't to be, but I hope Madge gave them a massive spray as he left. We are a really soft club mentally.

 

[Halbrowne61]

No he has a free Salary.

Not a free pass.

Slight but important difference. If the board did not write performance clauses into his salary then fire the board.

I set a high bar for Sheens. Yet he has a high squad and should be performing.
If we find that we have wasted a million dollars on him, we can set the bar, find a coach that will do the basics (Shane Flanagan, I won't even say no to Trent Barrett) and we start again. But we do something different, we set a bar.

Afraid I’d have to vote strongly against Barrett CC, would be like a rerun of Taylor.
Good assistant coach but not ready for the big time imo.
Let’s see what evolves over the first half of the season but would love to know if there are any exit clauses in the Coaching teams contracts.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

At the core of it all imo, is a weak as pee sook mentality that is rife throughout the joint. We are a mentally weak club.
When Lee came out and said that the criticism towards Brooks it equivalent to bullying, that proved it to me. Sure people can go too far, but if he isn't performing and is being criticised and the Chair of the board is accusing people of bullying him, he gave the players carte Blanche on excuses. It was a really bad message to send to the players, now any criticism can be brushed off as bullying. If excuses like this are being made by the chair of the board openly in the media, I can't even begin to imagine hos bad it must be in private there atm. I think it was right for Maguire to go, the club neutered him and things were going south, I was on Flanaghan but it wasn't to be, but I hope Madge gave them a massive spray as he left. We are a really soft club mentally.

Don’t agree regarding Flanagan but agree with everything else. A tad ironic though. Madge attempted to take away all the excuses but was/is howled down for being old fashioned. Just get bodies in front, play simple hard footy for 80 minutes. At the end of the day, ref, squad injuries are just excuses.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

What is a high squad? They on the Hong kongs? We were tipped to run 12th by bookies and we’ll be lucky to do that. We gotta get over this blame the coach obsession.

What were dolphins tipped to run?

 

[TrueTiger]

At the core of it all imo, is a weak as pee sook mentality that is rife throughout the joint. We are a mentally weak club.
When Lee came out and said that the criticism towards Brooks it equivalent to bullying, that proved it to me. Sure people can go too far, but if he isn't performing and is being criticised and the Chair of the board is accusing people of bullying him, he gave the players carte Blanche on excuses. It was a really bad message to send to the players, now any criticism can be brushed off as bullying. If excuses like this are being made by the chair of the board openly in the media, I can't even begin to imagine hos bad it must be in private there atm. I think it was right for Maguire to go, the club neutered him and things were going south, I was on Flanaghan but it wasn't to be, but I hope Madge gave them a massive spray as he left. We are a really soft club mentally.

I have to agree with your post liltiger,Brooks and any of the players in any of the NRL teams are on pretty good money to play rugby league and dont forget its a game that punters put their money on to win games...the so called professional NRL players are in the public eye 24/7...if they cant take criticism when they achieve little for a big paycheck,then their choice of career is a poor one...
I can remember my first year in group 9,I played for a steak sandwich and a can of coke,if I was off my game the supporters and fans were relentless with bagging my game...here we are with some players on a million dollars a year and when someone gives it to them for poor form,its all of a sudden bullying...deadset joke ...Lee should be seen and not heard....

 

[clontarfkid]

Pascoe is basically the beancounter and marketer.Hes done better than okay on these tasks tbh,but one can only conclude hes is clueless about football and shld be kept well away from our core business
All big football decisions are called by Lee....which whilst well intended, is handicapped by inexperience in the role plus an outsized ego which compromises informed and objective judgement
eg 1)Madge shld have been fired end 2021 after the team tanked in final round after disastrous year,which wld have provided time and space over the offseason to find suitable replacement.
2)Mid year Madge firing last year showed little patience nor judgement from Lee/Sheens and exposed us to the embarrassing Ciraldo pursuit played out in public..another total PR disaster.Interim coach did no better as wld be expected,so just a PR disaster all round
3)In desperation,Lee appoints a "has been" senior coach, fired from his past 3 jobs, for 2 years,......who in 2022 released key players prematurely, and others on loan to competitors ,whichtogether with our extensive injury toll,virtually guaranteed us the spoon....just plan dumb
4) Appointed an untrained untried rookie coach(who has no proven credentials or obvious skils in coaching, contracted for a whopping 5 years...whose sole mantra is just keep passing the ball 200 times and she;ll be right.Without building any platform and structure,that just aint gonna work.Axiomatic that Benji aint gonna be the next Bellamy
5) And in terms of player recruitment ,we hire a UK crock who has achieved very little for 4 years and burn our most promising junior in Kautoga...but keep other juniors ahead of him
6) And then punt our only potential "leader" at 7...... to retain a serial 10year underperformer in that position
Dud decision after dud decision after dud decision ,and no-one is EVER held accountable..decisions are never scrutinised
But the poor decisions are pretty transparent to most of us here...so why not Lee?Sheens?Pascoe?
Frankly Flanagan needs to take over the entire coaching postion as soon as incumbents contractual KPIs(hope there are some) allow us to......
do so..hopfully at this seasons end
Problem is,with not one but 2 coaches to pay out(on top of Madge last year )..were stuck for years with what weve got

 

[tony soprano]

Coaching has been blamed forever and a day. It’s simple we have a weak backline and outside of Api bad halves and no real fullback. You won’t win in this league when your playmakers are not up to par.

Yeh they should be more prepared then they were come round 1.
Or pick the players that will do the job.

 

[The_Patriot]

Coaching has been blamed forever and a day. It’s simple we have a weak backline and outside of Api bad halves and no real fullback. You won’t win in this league when your playmakers are not up to par.

Spot on.

Pushing it up hill trying to do otherwise.

team selection is going to be crucial this season.

Hopefully it starts with Laurie being out injured showing the coaches that they may have better options in the key positions.

 

[The_Patriot]

At the core of it all imo, is a weak as pee sook mentality that is rife throughout the joint. We are a mentally weak club.
When Lee came out and said that the criticism towards Brooks it equivalent to bullying, that proved it to me. Sure people can go too far, but if he isn't performing and is being criticised and the Chair of the board is accusing people of bullying him, he gave the players carte Blanche on excuses. It was a really bad message to send to the players, now any criticism can be brushed off as bullying. If excuses like this are being made by the chair of the board openly in the media, I can't even begin to imagine hos bad it must be in private there atm. I think it was right for Maguire to go, the club neutered him and things were going south, I was on Flanaghan but it wasn't to be, but I hope Madge gave them a massive spray as he left. We are a really soft club mentally.

I also agree with this.

We as a club really seem to lack accountability.

Thats accountability to on field performances.

Its a soft under belly and it needs to change. no one player is bigger than the club. Players who continually fail to deliver or put in sub par performances and have questionable attitude need to be dropped to reserve grade or moved on.

No other way forward.

The coach shouldnt be here to make friends or turn proven losers around, he is here to make the hard decisions!

If Sheens cant do that he will fall on his own sword again.

 

[Telltails]

Coaching has been blamed forever and a day. It’s simple we have a weak backline and outside of Api bad halves and no real fullback. You won’t win in this league when your playmakers are not up to par.

It all comes back to the quality of the squad. Our problem is dud players can make a career out of footy at this club. The ones that want more than that move on to play in squads where the standards on the field are higher. They either improve/lift on the back of that or they get dropped.
Good luck to the coach who can buck the trend and lift the standards on the field, because the players have been fed at this club for years that they are not the problem.

 

[Needaname]

At the core of it all imo, is a weak as pee sook mentality that is rife throughout the joint. We are a mentally weak club.
When Lee came out and said that the criticism towards Brooks it equivalent to bullying, that proved it to me. Sure people can go too far, but if he isn't performing and is being criticised and the Chair of the board is accusing people of bullying him, he gave the players carte Blanche on excuses. It was a really bad message to send to the players, now any criticism can be brushed off as bullying. If excuses like this are being made by the chair of the board openly in the media, I can't even begin to imagine hos bad it must be in private there atm. I think it was right for Maguire to go, the club neutered him and things were going south, I was on Flanaghan but it wasn't to be, but I hope Madge gave them a massive spray as he left. We are a really soft club mentally.

I think it was in the ‘ask the boss’ segment with Api Korisou where he was asked about differences between Penrith and the Tigers and he mentioned “training finishes earlier here, so I have more time in the afternoon” I think he said they finish training at 14:00 daily.
My misses was listening in the background when I was playing it and just laughed. We just finished watching ‘All the way Premiers’, about the panthers charge to the GF last year. There are no short days at Penrith. And the player that spends the longest each day there is Nathan Cleary.

 

[earl]

Or pick the players that will do the job.

If they are available. It's 2 rounds in and we've dropped so much ball. You can't keep blaming the coach but at the same time the coach has to be partly to blame for the inept performances for the past 2 weeks. Maguire was sacked because we were crap and not many people seem to think that was a bad decision.

I don't see easy solutions but we need a team that is well drilled and plays to their ability. That is on the coaching staff. That is their job.

Then it's up to the management (I think this is also Sheens) at the club to have a squad good enough to compete.

Then we need luck with injuries.

Then the players need to perform in the big moments.

It's round 3 though. A good performance this weekend will make the situation seem a little better. Parra came 2nd last year and they are on the bottom of the ladder.

 

[ToddSanchez]

I think it was in the ‘ask the boss’ segment with Api Korisou where he was asked about differences between Penrith and the Tigers and he mentioned “training finishes earlier here, so I have more time in the afternoon” I think he said they finish training at 14:00 daily.
My misses was listening in the background when I was playing it and just laughed. We just finished watching ‘All the way Premiers’, about the panthers charge to the GF last year. There are no short days at Penrith. And the player that spends the longest each day there is Nathan Cleary.

Haha its not rocket science is it. Cleary puts the good things in so Penrith wear the Dolmio grin!

Honestly this post pisses me off more than others. How does a great player come to our club from a premiership team and immediately acknowledge that we train less. My god.