Immaturity costs us big time...

[tig4ever]

We have an immature team for the most part. Take out one prop, one winger, an injury ravaged centre, our captain at hooker and a bench utility; we are filled with players finding their feet in first grade & Woods. When these guys get as much first grade footy as Woods (70+ games), they will kill it. Patience & faith is required from our part. I'm really liking the way the boys are emerging and developing. Some very promising signs should things continue.

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There is no guarantee Moses will be killing anything after 70 games except our chance to win a premiership. Has shown nothing in 16 NRL games and I think we have been conned by whoever decided to keep him instead of Austin.

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Fumbles, simple answer to you & all other whingers & bitches, do all Tigers fans a favour & support the Raiders you losers.

 

[tig4ever]

If you guys and girls on the forum think Brooks and Moses will win us anything within the next five years think again…

Both are highly reputed playmakers on big money and yet failed to get us a win tonight when it was a winnable game for us.....

Kicks down the throat of the opposition,missed takles poor reads for last play options and the list goes on...

Brooks and Moses....inexperienced,imature,and most of all scared..welcome to the big league,it's good to be fantastic in your own age group but now they get run over,bashed and bruised,with little to offer in return..

The time and money spent on these two could be spent elsewhere if you want to win something soon,otherwise be happy to lose week in week out until they get enough experience, unless of course they get hurt and aren't seen for months.....

Games aren't won on reputation alone....if Tapau,Halitau,Woods,Simona and co weren't there tonight we would have 50 put on us....little glimpses of brilliance aren't enough to play week in week out in the NRL .....say what you like about me but this is my opinion and I will stick to it until I see an enormous improvement in these two.... :unamused:

True Tiger, one word for you…..Wanker!!!

 

[simonthetiger]

Yeah, hard to argue.

Joke of a thread!

 

[Tigerdave]

Immaturity from the refs right?

 

[TrueTiger]

Tig4ever,you have shown your maturity as well,the forum is a place to give our opinion and thoughts while respecting the boundaries of respect to others…..

I'm quite entitled to give my opinion on our halves and the team in general,I pay my membership and have a right to input to the players,admin and club....

These are my thoughts and have respected others thoughts and criticism ......to words for you...grow up....

 

[LCA]

Thankfully,"immaturity" eventually becomes "maturity". Lack of ability is permanent.

There's no lack of ability in Brooks, Moses and the team in general.

Tonight was nothing more than an honorable loss to a big, strong side playing at home. Another strong effort from our boys I thought. We can't win every week.

 

[Als_Pals]

The young halves are so far away from being Superstars.
Whenever we get into a close situation, they get nervous and can't compete. With 4 minutes to go and we have the roll-on, Curtis drops the ball cold.
For the past 10 years we have heards that the Tigers will be a great team in 2 to 3 years time. Players get hurt, sometimes don't develop how they should and it ends up with the Tigers not making the 8 let alone having any chance to challenge for the title.

 

[cunno]

Lack of possession killed us. Put Moses and Brooks behind 60% possession and this thread never sees the light of day. It's very simple, win the ruck and your halves will generally look good. Lose it and they get exposed.

Exactly, for some sort of comparison have a look at how the manly halves are going at the moment since their pack is way under the strength it used to be.

 

[marzie]

Judge them at the end of the season

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If we wait until the end of the season the team will have been in limbo throughout the season.

Well how do you expect them to develop if you dont give them enough time? Everybody thought our team would be bottom 4 this year. We have no depth and we are going pretty well so far. We have young kids in who need to get the experience together and playing nrl is the only way to get it.

Just sit back, relax and let it happen.

 

[tig4ever]

Tig4ever,you have shown your maturity as well,the forum is a place to give our opinion and thoughts while respecting the boundaries of respect to others…..

I'm quite entitled to give my opinion on our halves and the team in general,I pay my membership and have a right to input to the players,admin and club....

These are my thoughts and have respected others thoughts and criticism ......to words for you...grow up....

Yes of course oh noble one, you are entitled to your opinion. The only problem is, you have no idea mate!! If you are a true supporter & have attended all the games, NYC included, you would realise what these youngsters are capable of doing. They are still only kids so give them a flaming break & support them instead of bagging them you goose. Oh sorry, how immature of me.

 

[larrycorowa]

Are we going to have to endure these threads every time we lose?

Ricky Stuart has used 42 different halves combinations in his coaching career….look where that has got him.

We need to stick and support these two.

 

[Milky]

Moses & Brooks have both shown they can handle first grade, no player instantly becomes an immortal. Ben Hunt for example. Ben didn't begin to shine until last year, after how many seasons in first grade.

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[GNR4LIFE]

Moses & Brooks have both shown they can handle first grade, no player instantly becomes an immortal. Ben Hunt for example. Ben didn't begin to shine until last year, after how many seasons in first grade.

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The fact he was playing as a bench hooker for the first yr or two might have had something to do with why he didn't shine.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Hate to break it to you sweatpea, but Brooks won us a game on his debut, Moses against dogs last year… thats your first sentence torn to shreds, rest of it goes down hill from the special beginning.

That's true, he won it by running!!!!!
Where was his running game last nigh when the Warriors were nullifying what we were trying. As I said in another thread, I was happy when he tried a chip and chase even it didn't come off. At least he was trying something. While I hope both these kids have great careers with us , the doubts are starting to multiply.
Warriors didn't have to be in two minds last night as both halves didn't want to run it
Halfway through the second half was the ideal time for them to take them on , but no , just more catch and pass.
It's true they show flashes of spark , but neither of them seem to want to take on the line when there is a strong defence, the result ?
Like last night when the Warriors defence ignored them and concentrated on the runners out side them.
I hope like hell that I'm wrong.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I really think its time people stop talking about them as a whole.

Judge them individually.

I thought Moses was great tonight and Brooks wasn't bad. Maybe Brooks didn't step up but I think that is a tough call.

I think we copped it more via the refs calls that anything else.

I actually thought that most of the penalties against us were warranted. There was some pretty stupid ones. My only problem was that there was a lot more latitude for the Warriors.
At one stage I was surprised that we didn't get a player in the bin , for continuos penalties.
JT has said that it is not a concern, but I don't how giving away so much passion helps us.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Russell,I will support the WTs now and always,I just can't help but watch the hard work the forwards are doing and not getting an end result from poor last play options by our highly reputed and paid playmakers…

We were told these two are going to be a sensation,they have played heaps together and know each other's game through and through,to me their like lost sheep when the last play options have to be decided..hard work for little result...as you said Russ it's my opinion and I will stick to it...cheers mate...

Absolutely your opinion.

What I am saying is that they need all the supporters behind them now to give them the confidence to progress. At this stage of their NRL career, Moses is the better defender, Brooks is better in attack.

I still think Moses has not been let off the leash by JT yet. He can only do what he is allowed to do. Also in a game like tonight - you don't expect the halves to shine - they are not Jonathan Thurston - Yet.

As for being highly paid - I think that is a bit of a myth. A good salary yes but highly paid ????

Have patience Mate, I am sure we will reap all the rewards that were promised.

I keep hearing this thing about them being kept on a leash, but does that mean we have two playmakers out there that are not allowed to take it to the line?
If that's true, then holding them back might eventually win us a game when all the other teams get sloppy because they don't run, and then we could surprise their defence when they do. , but what about these games where all they do is pass. I'm getting more to the opinion that it is a mistake , having them of both in this same learning stage at the one time.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

No ball due to one sided referring was why we lost.

But re our young halves as I've said before on here they are a short term gamble.

Since they are juniors with potential hopefully we stick with them long term and hopefully it pays off. But for now they aren't doing enough.. They are not Tedesco or Simona or benji who has and can win us a game right now but hopefully it will come.
But in the meantime they should become at least more involved as support players using their speed as Moses done for the first try tonight and Brooks should take on the line more and use chips and grubbers that he seems to be good at while they develop other aspects of their game.

But right now hard to believe Austin wouldn't be a better 5/8.

We keep blaming Refs for penalties.
We are not the most penalised team in the NRL because all the Refs are against us ,
Most of the penalties are our own fault, our discipline was woeful last night.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If you guys and girls on the forum think Brooks and Moses will win us anything within the next five years think again…

Both are highly reputed playmakers on big money and yet failed to get us a win tonight when it was a winnable game for us.....

Kicks down the throat of the opposition,missed takles poor reads for last play options and the list goes on...

Brooks and Moses....inexperienced,imature,and most of all scared..welcome to the big league,it's good to be fantastic in your own age group but now they get run over,bashed and bruised,with little to offer in return..

The time and money spent on these two could be spent elsewhere if you want to win something soon,otherwise be happy to lose week in week out until they get enough experience, unless of course they get hurt and aren't seen for months.....

Games aren't won on reputation alone....if Tapau,Halitau,Woods,Simona and co weren't there tonight we would have 50 put on us....little glimpses of brilliance aren't enough to play week in week out in the NRL .....say what you like about me but this is my opinion and I will stick to it until I see an enormous improvement in these two.... :unamused:

True Tiger, one word for you…..Wanker!!!

Well this discussion has reached the heights of an extremely intelligent,
Calm down ladies …....everyone's entitlted to their opinion here and entitled to air it here
as well, without having their loyalties to the club questioned.

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't want these kids to succeed, but there's a lot of reasons being shown that that's not an ironclad gaurantee.
And while we support them on the field, there is no reason to be blindfolded to the things that aren't good about them as players.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If you guys and girls on the forum think Brooks and Moses will win us anything within the next five years think again…

Both are highly reputed playmakers on big money and yet failed to get us a win tonight when it was a winnable game for us.....

Kicks down the throat of the opposition,missed takles poor reads for last play options and the list goes on...

Brooks and Moses....inexperienced,imature,and most of all scared..welcome to the big league,it's good to be fantastic in your own age group but now they get run over,bashed and bruised,with little to offer in return..

The time and money spent on these two could be spent elsewhere if you want to win something soon,otherwise be happy to lose week in week out until they get enough experience, unless of course they get hurt and aren't seen for months.....

Games aren't won on reputation alone....if Tapau,Halitau,Woods,Simona and co weren't there tonight we would have 50 put on us....little glimpses of brilliance aren't enough to play week in week out in the NRL .....say what you like about me but this is my opinion and I will stick to it until I see an enormous improvement in these two.... :unamused:

True Tiger, one word for you…..Wanker!!!

Well this discussion has reached the heights of an extremely intelligent debate. :astonished:
Calm down ladies …....everyone's entitlted to their opinion here and entitled to air it here
as well, without having their loyalties to the club questioned.

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't want these kids to succeed, but there's a lot of reasons being shown that that's not an ironclad gaurantee.
And while we support them on the field, there is no reason to be blindfolded to the things that aren't good about them as players.

 

[TrueTiger]

If you guys and girls on the forum think Brooks and Moses will win us anything within the next five years think again…

Both are highly reputed playmakers on big money and yet failed to get us a win tonight when it was a winnable game for us.....

Kicks down the throat of the opposition,missed takles poor reads for last play options and the list goes on...

Brooks and Moses....inexperienced,imature,and most of all scared..welcome to the big league,it's good to be fantastic in your own age group but now they get run over,bashed and bruised,with little to offer in return..

The time and money spent on these two could be spent elsewhere if you want to win something soon,otherwise be happy to lose week in week out until they get enough experience, unless of course they get hurt and aren't seen for months.....

Games aren't won on reputation alone....if Tapau,Halitau,Woods,Simona and co weren't there tonight we would have 50 put on us....little glimpses of brilliance aren't enough to play week in week out in the NRL .....say what you like about me but this is my opinion and I will stick to it until I see an enormous improvement in these two.... :unamused:

True Tiger, one word for you…..Wanker!!!

Well this discussion has reached the heights of an extremely intelligent,
Calm down ladies …....everyone's entitlted to their opinion here and entitled to air it here
as well, without having their loyalties to the club questioned.

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't want these kids to succeed, but there's a lot of reasons being shown that that's not an ironclad gaurantee.
And while we support them on the field, there is no reason to be blindfolded to the things that aren't good about them as players.

Goldcoast Tiger,thanks for your input,I like many truly support and love the WTs,my opinion on the halves that has caused much criticism is only as I see it…..these two were reportedly the next sensation at the club,both have played much football together and know each others plays very well..I dont care for excuses about new structure and gameplans or the difficulty in playing nrl....these two have both let us down with last play options,kicks down the throat of opposition and not finding space off their kicks,the simple things playmakers are supposed to do...the forwards work extremely hard especially this year and on the end of the hard work they dont see a positive result,just more hard work...if Brooks and Moses ran the ball more or played whats in front of them then it wouldnt be so bad...Brooks chip kick against the Warriors was a delight to see,if it comes off it would have been spectacular,unfortunately we dont get to see this sort of play from our halves as other teams halves do a lot more of it..