Is our 3,2,1 system fair?

[Kul]

Hey everyone

Our Player of the Year system is based off the standard 3,2,1 method that we've been using here forever.
Each person rates their top three players, allocating 3 votes to the best, 2 to the second and 1 to the third.
Our server is then tallying these votes up and at the end of the week and the player with the most votes gets 3 points, second gets 2 and the third gets 1.

After four rounds the season tally stands at:
10 B. Marshall
3 A. Fifita
3 C. Lawrence
3 W. McKinnon
2 K. Galloway
cont…

After thinking about this system, it seems as though it could maybe be improved.

What are people's thoughts on voting just for their own top 3 and each of those players is given 1 vote each. That would start to level out of the field. For example, if you thought that Benji, McKinnon and Dwyer were the best on Friday night then you'd vote for them, giving them all 1 vote.

Then, after all the votes are tallied, the player with the most votes gets 3 points, second gets 2 and third gets 1

If this were the case, then it's more likely that we would see other players get 3 points instead of Benji dominating the whole time.

There are also other systems too, like percentage/proportional systems where the percegage of votes tallied for Player X in a particular week is added to that player's overall season tally.

Eg:
Benji - 14% (0.14)
Wade - 12% (0.12)
Dywer - 8% (0.08)
Farah - 7.5% (0.075)
Brown - 6% (0.06)
cont...

then at the end of the week those percentages are saved. This system would allow players who rank outside the top 3 to build up points throughout the season, even if they don't come 1st, 2nd or 3rd. A season of coming 4th each week could actually see them come out on top at the end of the year, instead of a player who plays poorly all year but puts in three or four MOM games.

Here is a comparison (click the green ZOOM button):

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So what are your thoughts on this? Are any of these or other systems better than the current one?
Should we change it now whilst we can?

To be honest, I think the two systems explained above are BETTER than the current one, especially the proportional system.
Taking Blake Ayshford for example, he has had an excellent year and polled strongly (second highest votes all season), but has only managed to get 1 point so far. If we used the second system noted above, Blake would be coming 2nd behind Benji, instead of Wade (3 points in Round 4) who has only had one excellent game.

I'm happy to change the system if people generally agree. If not, then I'm happy to keep it as is.

Please discuss

 

[Geo]

No cause ppl vote for Benji no matter what he does

 

[Kul]

thats the point… even if people give benji a vote, the other two players that they vote for would also be in with a shot.

 

[Sabre]

Make it so u give every player a rating out of 3.
Then, the player with the most points gets 3
2nd most gets 2
3rd most gets 1

 

[underdog]

hmm, rating each of the players much like sabre says makes more sense - e.g last week against the rabbits, It felt like half a dozen players could have gotten my third point. maybe make it a rating our of 5 (or possibly 6 to make it easily divisable by 3) though.

and you are quite right about ayshford (same can apply for Utai) vs Mckinnon and Fifita. this would make it a lot fairer.

 

[wtffl2005]

Benji has been the best player for the first 5 rounds so it is working

 

[happy_tiger]

Fairest way will be percentages Kul . That way does not matter how many people are voting each week and is the fairest . Just my opinion though

 

[derailed]

As I said after the first round Benji is going to win this with almost full votes mainly because some people are will vote for him no matter what. Round 1 is a perfect example of this.

I'd say either of the two systems you mentioned Kul would be fairer. I'd go with the percentage one

Benji will most likely still win but it won't be by thirty plus votes like it will be at the moment

 

[Kul]

3,2,1 System (Current)
+ best player is rewarded with the most points
- players who just miss out on the top 3 may as well have come last
- benefits players who perform well during a win (when more people vote)
- A player who is injured for most of the year could come back and come 1st for a few weeks, jumping to the top, being a disadvantage to those players who have played all season

Top 3 System
+ levels the playing field by removing isolated bias
- players who just miss out on the top 3 may as well have come last
- benefits players who perform well during a win (when more people vote)
- A player who is injured for most of the year could come back and come 1st for a few weeks, jumping to the top, being a disadvantage to those players who have played all season
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Percentage System
+ allows all players to build a season tally even if they can't crack the top 3\. A player who comes 4th each week will end up towards the top at the end of the year
+ removes the disadvantage after a loss when less people vote

the most any player can technically poll using this system is 33.3% per round
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Here is a comparison:


I think the proportional/percentage system is the best tbh as it benefits everyone.

 

[Icon]

it's fair "enough" the way it is.

Giving 1 point to 3 players is in my opinion less fair.

Usually the person you give the 3 points played a lot better than the one you gave 1.

By the way, the reason Benji gets the points is because he's the best and sets most our tries up.

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

Benji has been the best player for the first 5 rounds so it is working

Agreed… I think the system works fine Kul. Benji has been by far our best this season and his tally reflects this...

 

[Kul]

that's not being debated…

in the table i posted, have a look where McKinnon, Ayshford, Utai and Galloway place respectively

not saying that it's the way to go, but the final system rewards players who have absolute blinders whilst also ensuring that those who rank 4th, 5th (etc.) don't walk away empty handed each week

 

[tiger05]

Benji has been the best player for the first 5 rounds so it is working

Yeah - I looked at it and I reckon it is working. Benji has easily been out best player.

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

that's not being debated…

in the table i posted, have a look where McKinnon, Ayshford, Utai and Galloway place respectively

not saying that it's the way to go, but the final system rewards players who have absolute blinders whilst also ensuring that those who rank 4th, 5th (etc.) don't walk away empty handed each week

Ahhh should have read the thread haha

I agree with what you are saying now…. hmmmmm 3rd option seems the go...

 

[Kul]

Using Utai and Ayshford as examples, as they have both been solid all season (polling 3rd, 4th or 5th spot each week), the proportional system seems to be the fairest. Yet our current system has McKinnon coming equal second after one good 3-point game even though he's polled S.F.A every other week.

**Season Total**
McKinnon - 3 points - 242 votes
Ayshford - 1 point - 303 votes
Utai - 0 points - 273 votes
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A 3 point performance one week is not the same as a 3 point performance from another week. Our current system can't distinguish between the two, however a proportional system rewards players like Benji who can have blinders and draw a massive amounts of votes.

just putting it out there.

won't change it unless there is overwhelming support for the change

 

[Moh]

I like the player rating idea too.

Maybe a rating of each player out of 5, would fit nicely on the homepage too.

 

[Tigerdave]

Yeah the percentage system seems fairly good

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The current system works, it's all based on a matter of opinion. Unfortunately, inconsistent players who have blinders are always going to poll better than week-in week-out consistency (you come to expect it from players like Ayshford & Heighington who do the right things pretty much every week so they don't stand out.) This of course excepting Benji, of which we expect regular showings of brilliance as it's what we are accustomed to.

I like the proportional idea, it rewards the likes of Ayshford, Utai, Heighington for consistent weekly performaces (while they're not necessarily gamebreakers, they are solid showings, and are recognised for consistency,) and the likes of Ellis/Fulton/Lui/Lawrence can't spend a large chunk out on the sideline and take it out unless they have stellar turnouts every week once they return from injury.

At the end of the day, it's a consensus of our personal opinions. And that said, Benji is leading the stakes by a long way for a very good reason. :slight_smile:

 

[Chris]

The system in it's current form is working and it worked well last year. The reason why Benji is so far ahead of everyone else is because he has been so dominant in all of our games. As the year goes on you'll find that who ever is dominant in a particlar game, they will be leading the tally count for that round which is the way it should be. Last year when I was keeping tally there were several weeks when players like Ellis, Farah and Heighington were so far in front in the tallys because they were clearly the best player on the field that day. Then there were weeks when it would be really close between Ellis, Heighington and Farah that it came down to the last couple of votes to declare who picked up the 3-2-1 for that round. That's because they were the players who were the best on the field for the Tigers that day and no-one was more dominant than the other. When it came down to adding up the totals for each round to determine the player of the year it went down to the wire on who won because the competition was so close last year and it was evident in the voting counts. From the semi finals last year through till now, Benji has stepped up his game and he is in career best form. The problem is everyone else is still at the same level as last year and Benji has kicked his form up a gear and it is evident on the field. The points system is reflecting on the fact that Benji is so dominant in our team and thats why I believe it still works the way it is. Only time will tell but if Benji is that much superior as a player in our team than everyone else, then the points system should be allowed to reflect on that.

 

[barra]

Either way is okay by me but I would be happy to try a new format. I think Kul makes some good points and I'm not concerned about a stand-out player not getting the points he deserves because that will still happen. It would be nice however to to see consistency reflected in the pointscore.
One thing for sure is that provided Benji continues to play well he will still be way ahead regardless of the system used - and so be it!