Is our team broken

[rialto]

I dont give a rats about casual Blues fans. Every fan has differing views about who is selected in SOO teams every year. The same people who didnt rate Woods last year wouldnt rate him this year.
As far as form goes wouldnt matter how he played atm with you because you are filthy at him. Against the Bulldogs he was outstanding and then he got injured the following week.
You can choose to ignore that the club is responsible for player retention and recruitment and managing the cap like every other clubs management is, and you can spin it which ever way you want but results will show you when you measure our club against other clubs they have under performed consistently, just like our team has.

You should give a rats about the average Blues fan, because their opinion is as valuable as yours. Yes it's true that people who didn't rate Woods in 2016 don't rate him in 2017, the issue you should be concerned about is the people who DID rate him in 2016 who DON'T in 2017.

That's not me by the way, I think he does his job and based on previous performances for NSW, though his Tigers form is down a bit, he should be there… and there isn't a long line of NSW props out-performing him over a consistent period.

I would not and do not ignore the club being responsible for recruitment and retention. We have a roster, the competency of that roster is a matter of opinion. Based on results only, it's an average roster.

But you never addressed my comment - this team was basically good enough to get within 1 win of the finals. A little better performance 2016 and they make the finals. That same side is reeling 2017, not even close to threatening the Top 8\. Is that recruitment and retention's fault? Maybe it's the coaches fault, definitely coaching changed. But the other constant is PLAYERS.

So results are based on off-field management and on-field performance, we all know that. Certainly players need the support off-field to ensure they can perform to their best. But at some point you have to look at the players, at some point the finger pointing has to stop and you just need a basic level of performance from the side, a basic level of energy, commitment to the jersey, of effort each week, of discipline.

I don't think we are seeing that, I think many fans agree. I think we are seeing a LACK of consistent performance and discipline and it's compounding whatever emotional/mental issues that exist with off-field turmoil.

Fans would be fine if a player chose to move on but simultaneously played clearly strong and enthusiastic football. Honestly I think maybe only Ava has maintained his form since negotiating a new contract with another club, everyone else their form has dropped. It's not acceptable.

Excellent post Jirskyr.

 

[earl]

Again you can spin it anyway you want but it is a results based game and our record shows we have performed poorly in all facets - and accountablity always starts at the top.
Whether Teddy and Woods handled the contract talks admirably or not, does not excuse the fact that we have promised better results for years and not delivered - and as two over achievers in a poor performing club they cant be held responsible for our lack of success or development as a team. Our current roster is as weak as I can remember it for some time - and yet until Simona was cut their was suggestion that we had cap issues!
Our decision makers/ management have offered little more than things will be better next year, and hopefully it will. One year too late it seems for Teddy and Woods, and the Roosters and the Bulldogs like clubs in strong positions do - took full advantage of it.

I honestly think that you are all over the place here. So if the team doesn't perform it's the board's fault ? I don't see it.

I also think that stating that these two players have been overachievers and it's all the other players fault shows a lack of understanding about the modern game. These two players are on the big bucks. Paying these guys really good money leaves less to pay other players. That is why our squad isn't as good as what it could be. I think everyone of these supposed stars excluding Tedesco have performed well below par.

I also think our current roster was good for this year. It's all fallen apart. This happens typically due to injuries. This season though in my opinion has fallen apart predominantly due to the big 4 holding out for more and more money and all of them performing well below their pay grades. Brooks obviously isn't on the level of the other 3\. He signed early and took a lot less money compared to the other 3.

Next year players like Reynolds and Packer will need to perform because we are paying them good money.

Lastly I agree we've made mistakes. We bet on 4 players turning into gun players and being loyal to us. They haven't been loyal and they all excluding Tedesco have not turned into top quality players that lead clubs to big seasons.

 

[851]

Worst attack and worst defence, no we are sweet

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

is it 2018 yet

 

[timmings01]

So over hearing about what grubs Tedesco and Woods are. Some supporters are so blinded by their hate for those 2 that they don't seem to care about the team overall. In fact, if Tedesco, Woods and the rest of the team started winning every week some supporters would be devastated simply because Tedesco and Woods would be part of those wins. Hate them next year.

 

[05TIGZ]

I think the club has finally got its house in order. Next year will be the first time in how long we dont pay coaches or players to play against us. We are building a solid squad for next year, something we havent had in a long time. I think we will remember this year as a turning point in our history. The year the club finally stood up to player power. The year we cleaned the deadwood and started a new page. Im so excited in 2018\. Cleary will have a full pre season. We will have players like reynolds who will give 110% no matter what the score is. Mongrel forwards like packer and mautlino. Too bad woods and tedesco didnt come along for the ride. But to me its a blessing in disguise. What did the big 3 achieve for us? Nothing at all. So lets change things up and onto bigger and better things.

 

[smoking_gun]

Yes the team is broken. The core leadership group let the team down. Not by signing elsewhere every player has that right but it's how they let their teammates down while they were trying to secure their own futures. It was the most selfish sequences from players I've seen in a long time and it was lead by the "club captain" and they have already checked out (Tedesco and woods) so you can't blame the others for not wanting to play with them. It's just all disharmony. 2018 will be different. The culture change is in effect. Just have to rid the dead wood

Great post. These traitors have let the whole team and the club down. **They've played extremely poor footy** and dragging this on for as long as they have just to get themselves the maximum possible money and any special deals that they want killed this season and a coach.

I don't see things as being that bad though post this season.

I've also never seen such grubby behaviour from a group of players.

Actually aside from Moses I don't think that's true at all.

Tedesco has been Terrible. No commitment from him at all. No idea what you have been watching

 

[bigsiro]

I dont give a rats about casual Blues fans. Every fan has differing views about who is selected in SOO teams every year. The same people who didnt rate Woods last year wouldnt rate him this year.
As far as form goes wouldnt matter how he played atm with you because you are filthy at him. Against the Bulldogs he was outstanding and then he got injured the following week.
You can choose to ignore that the club is responsible for player retention and recruitment and managing the cap like every other clubs management is, and you can spin it which ever way you want but results will show you when you measure our club against other clubs they have under performed consistently, just like our team has.

You should give a rats about the average Blues fan, because their opinion is as valuable as yours. Yes it's true that people who didn't rate Woods in 2016 don't rate him in 2017, the issue you should be concerned about is the people who DID rate him in 2016 who DON'T in 2017.

That's not me by the way, I think he does his job and based on previous performances for NSW, though his Tigers form is down a bit, he should be there… and there isn't a long line of NSW props out-performing him over a consistent period.

I would not and do not ignore the club being responsible for recruitment and retention. We have a roster, the competency of that roster is a matter of opinion. Based on results only, it's an average roster.

But you never addressed my comment - this team was basically good enough to get within 1 win of the finals. A little better performance 2016 and they make the finals. That same side is reeling 2017, not even close to threatening the Top 8\. Is that recruitment and retention's fault? Maybe it's the coaches fault, definitely coaching changed. But the other constant is PLAYERS.

So results are based on off-field management and on-field performance, we all know that. Certainly players need the support off-field to ensure they can perform to their best. But at some point you have to look at the players, at some point the finger pointing has to stop and you just need a basic level of performance from the side, a basic level of energy, commitment to the jersey, of effort each week, of discipline.

I don't think we are seeing that, I think many fans agree. I think we are seeing a LACK of consistent performance and discipline and it's compounding whatever emotional/mental issues that exist with off-field turmoil.

Fans would be fine if a player chose to move on but simultaneously played clearly strong and enthusiastic football. Honestly I think maybe only Ava has maintained his form since negotiating a new contract with another club, everyone else their form has dropped. It's not acceptable.

Excellent post Jirskyr.

Yep, agree. But what's the solution?

 

[earl]

My take is the solution is what has already happened. We've got a bunch of players who are prima-donnas. Those guys are being moved on.

We would have gone through this every time a new contract was up until they were unwanted.

 

[ryanda01]

I dont give a rats about casual Blues fans. Every fan has differing views about who is selected in SOO teams every year. The same people who didnt rate Woods last year wouldnt rate him this year.
As far as form goes wouldnt matter how he played atm with you because you are filthy at him. Against the Bulldogs he was outstanding and then he got injured the following week.
You can choose to ignore that the club is responsible for player retention and recruitment and managing the cap like every other clubs management is, and you can spin it which ever way you want but results will show you when you measure our club against other clubs they have under performed consistently, just like our team has.

You should give a rats about the average Blues fan, because their opinion is as valuable as yours. Yes it's true that people who didn't rate Woods in 2016 don't rate him in 2017, the issue you should be concerned about is the people who DID rate him in 2016 who DON'T in 2017.

That's not me by the way, I think he does his job and based on previous performances for NSW, though his Tigers form is down a bit, he should be there… and there isn't a long line of NSW props out-performing him over a consistent period.

I would not and do not ignore the club being responsible for recruitment and retention. We have a roster, the competency of that roster is a matter of opinion. Based on results only, it's an average roster.

But you never addressed my comment - this team was basically good enough to get within 1 win of the finals. A little better performance 2016 and they make the finals. That same side is reeling 2017, not even close to threatening the Top 8\. Is that recruitment and retention's fault? Maybe it's the coaches fault, definitely coaching changed. But the other constant is PLAYERS.

So results are based on off-field management and on-field performance, we all know that. Certainly players need the support off-field to ensure they can perform to their best. But at some point you have to look at the players, at some point the finger pointing has to stop and you just need a basic level of performance from the side, a basic level of energy, commitment to the jersey, of effort each week, of discipline.

I don't think we are seeing that, I think many fans agree. I think we are seeing a LACK of consistent performance and discipline and it's compounding whatever emotional/mental issues that exist with off-field turmoil.

Fans would be fine if a player chose to move on but simultaneously played clearly strong and enthusiastic football. Honestly I think maybe only Ava has maintained his form since negotiating a new contract with another club, everyone else their form has dropped. It's not acceptable.

Excellent post Jirskyr.

Yep, agree. But what's the solution?

He started 6 weeks ago. Clearly the culture within the playing group is poor. Woods has said as much in the presser vs. Broncos; they aren't mentally tough. Am hoping with the last of the incumbents now out of the club, and the majority of the current roster sorted for 2018; they can just move on and focus on footy. Assuming no more injuries. Just 1 giant camp where they can get on the cans and punch each other in the jaw until they see eye to eye and top 8 here we come!

 

[Telltails]

Again you can spin it anyway you want but it is a results based game and our record shows we have performed poorly in all facets - and accountablity always starts at the top.
Whether Teddy and Woods handled the contract talks admirably or not, does not excuse the fact that we have promised better results for years and not delivered - and as two over achievers in a poor performing club they cant be held responsible for our lack of success or development as a team. Our current roster is as weak as I can remember it for some time - and yet until Simona was cut their was suggestion that we had cap issues!
Our decision makers/ management have offered little more than things will be better next year, and hopefully it will. One year too late it seems for Teddy and Woods, and the Roosters and the Bulldogs like clubs in strong positions do - took full advantage of it.

I honestly think that you are all over the place here. So if the team doesn't perform it's the board's fault ? I don't see it.

I also think that stating that these two players have been overachievers and it's all the other players fault shows a lack of understanding about the modern game. These two players are on the big bucks. Paying these guys really good money leaves less to pay other players. That is why our squad isn't as good as what it could be. I think everyone of these supposed stars excluding Tedesco have performed well below par.

I also think our current roster was good for this year. It's all fallen apart. This happens typically due to injuries. This season though in my opinion has fallen apart predominantly due to the big 4 holding out for more and more money and all of them performing well below their pay grades. Brooks obviously isn't on the level of the other 3\. He signed early and took a lot less money compared to the other 3.

Next year players like Reynolds and Packer will need to perform because we are paying them good money.

Lastly I agree we've made mistakes. We bet on 4 players turning into gun players and being loyal to us. They haven't been loyal and they all excluding Tedesco have not turned into top quality players that lead clubs to big seasons.

Where did I blame any players???? I am sure the players we have got play to the best of their ability most of the time, but our squad cannot be compared to the likes of clubs that feature consistently in finals series and our results support that.
The players cannot be held responsible for how the cap is managed and who is recruited that is the role of the decision makers/management - and ours has been poor.
I dont hold the board responsible for how players perform but they are responsible for putting together the squad and even the most ardent supporters would have to admit that ours is mediocre at best and has been for sometime.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Yes the team is broken. The core leadership group let the team down. Not by signing elsewhere every player has that right but it's how they let their teammates down while they were trying to secure their own futures. It was the most selfish sequences from players I've seen in a long time and it was lead by the "club captain" and they have already checked out (Tedesco and woods) so you can't blame the others for not wanting to play with them. It's just all disharmony. 2018 will be different. The culture change is in effect. Just have to rid the dead wood

Great post. These traitors have let the whole team and the club down. **They've played extremely poor footy** and dragging this on for as long as they have just to get themselves the maximum possible money and any special deals that they want killed this season and a coach.

I don't see things as being that bad though post this season.

I've also never seen such grubby behaviour from a group of players.

Actually aside from Moses I don't think that's true at all.

Tedesco has been Terrible. No commitment from him at all. No idea what you have been watching

He's been out of form, but it's not through lack of trying. If anything he's trying too hard to get something happening in a team that is playing poorly overall. You can't question his commitment.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Yes the team is broken. The core leadership group let the team down. Not by signing elsewhere every player has that right but it's how they let their teammates down while they were trying to secure their own futures. It was the most selfish sequences from players I've seen in a long time and it was lead by the "club captain" and they have already checked out (Tedesco and woods) so you can't blame the others for not wanting to play with them. It's just all disharmony. 2018 will be different. The culture change is in effect. Just have to rid the dead wood

Great post. These traitors have let the whole team and the club down. They've played extremely poor footy and dragging this on for as long as they have just to get themselves the maximum possible money and any special deals that they want killed this season and a coach.

I don't see things as being that bad though post this season.

I've also never seen such grubby behaviour from a group of players.

No the current team leaders got sick of listening to the real leaders of the club who have decimated their team to the point where we are fielding what most consider is a reserve grade side.
Very easy for those players to take the money and stay - there was plenty on offer - but there is more that motivates them and they had the options to get it elsewhere.
We have had plenty of time to get our house in order and we havnt and the days of loyalty are well and truly over.As a club we proved that last year.
It was probably the wake up call the club needed and we can only hope that from now on the club makes good decisions so we are the club attracting quality players instead of watching them play for other teams.

What nonsense.

Who is decimating the team? The roster we had in 2016 went within 1 win of the finals. A bit better early-season form, just one close loss going the other way and we are playing finals football. It's not a great roster but it was finals-capable.

Everything that has happened in 2017 has been the result of prolonged contract negotiations, media scrutiny and the resulting disaffected performances on the field.

There is absolutely no reason why a roster 95% identical to last year's should not have come in and picked up from Round 25 2016, the Raiders drubbing notwithstanding.

But they didn't. To now be called upon a halves pairing of JLJ and Rankin - well that's Mitchell Moses' fault primarily. To be down in attack offerings, that's again Moses fault but also Tedesco's. That is what they are being paid for. Don't underestimate how much the non-Tigers fans are noting Tedesco's drop in form this year.

Every club spends more or less the salary cap. It depends on what you do with the cap. Our roster start of 2017 was capable of playing finals footy, they just needed to lift themselves 10%. Turns out they couldn't do it, couldn't save the coach so he got the axe for his own performance, but also the performance of the players.

Every coach that gets the hook, some of that blood is on the hands of the players. Like Sheens said, players remove coaches.

You are in the super small 5% minority of fans if you feel it's mostly the club's fault what happened in 2017 and not the players. The club has overhauled everything over the last 3-4 seasons, every position has been changed from the top of the board, CEO, Football Manager, coach, assistance coaches. You can't ask for more change than that - everyone with responsibility has paid for failure and moved on. EXCEPT some of the players.

Well now it's the reckoning, the new guy has come in and issued ultimatums to these players to step up and bring the team forward. And what happened? They all quit, they are all quitters. Why blame the club for your loss of form? Have some ownership of your own output.

Do you think casual NSW Blues fans are stoked about Woods being picked for SOO? Have you even read the chatter? He got in by the skin of his teeth, people are not impressed about how he has behaved on and off the field this year. Ditto Tedesco, he's lucky Moylan is playing like a busted too. Farah, well they've pulled the plug on him just slightly slower than the Tigers did.

Farah scored excellent tries in his last few FG games for WT, he didn't whinge about getting involved in 60 tackles a game - relatively speaking in comparison to other's performances it is debatable that he deserved to go. He put in a corker a few games back, I was unable to watch more recent games.

 

[TCL]

Both make good arguments, but as stated in previous post, club management has changed, coach and admin have changed and now the squad is going through an overhaul.

Not sure what more we can expect from them.

Club may not have handled them selves the best with the contract negotiations but it's not easy when the dice are loaded. Benefit of hindsight club management shouldn't have promised us the cliche "we will improve, be better or top 4" rubbish. They should have stuck to quotes like "the salary cap sorted by 2018, membership increase, sponsorships added"

Leave the game promises to the coach and players.

The 3 and their manager turned this season into a dung heap. Less I say about them the better.

Cleary is building the playing group now and the board can focus on what they do.

I am confident that better times are ahead but I'm not confident success will come in 2018, maybe 2019 or 2020, I am confident that we will be competitive in 2018 and won't have to endure games like last Friday and those in which we copped big losses.

What more can we ask for. Joys of being a Tigers fan.

 

[jirskyr]

Again you can spin it anyway you want but it is a results based game and our record shows we have performed poorly in all facets - and accountablity always starts at the top.
Whether Teddy and Woods handled the contract talks admirably or not, does not excuse the fact that we have promised better results for years and not delivered - and as two over achievers in a poor performing club they cant be held responsible for our lack of success or development as a team. Our current roster is as weak as I can remember it for some time - and yet until Simona was cut their was suggestion that we had cap issues!
Our decision makers/ management have offered little more than things will be better next year, and hopefully it will. One year too late it seems for Teddy and Woods, and the Roosters and the Bulldogs like clubs in strong positions do - took full advantage of it.

You are spinning yourself, in the opposite direction.

Every club promises better results every year, that's the name of the game. Yes we haven't delivered as a CLUB. If you want to excuse the players from lack of club delivery, go ahead, you are probably quite by yourself.

Team accountability starts at the top too - captain and rep-level players. They decided to jump ship for reasons never completely confirmed. If you say it's because the rest of the playing roster was not strong enough, then to hell with them, nobody wants players like around that anyway, that will only play for sides with already strong rosters.

Also hard to complain about the roster strength when you are asking for $1.5-2M combined yourself!!! How many Matulinos and Tui Lolos can we afford for 1 Tedesco and 1 Woods?

Bulldogs are a club in a strong position are they? What low expectations you must have, just higher than Tigers can meet, but low enough that the Bulldogs pass.

 

[jirskyr]

Again you can spin it anyway you want but it is a results based game and our record shows we have performed poorly in all facets - and accountablity always starts at the top.
Whether Teddy and Woods handled the contract talks admirably or not, does not excuse the fact that we have promised better results for years and not delivered - and as two over achievers in a poor performing club they cant be held responsible for our lack of success or development as a team. Our current roster is as weak as I can remember it for some time - and yet until Simona was cut their was suggestion that we had cap issues!
Our decision makers/ management have offered little more than things will be better next year, and hopefully it will. One year too late it seems for Teddy and Woods, and the Roosters and the Bulldogs like clubs in strong positions do - took full advantage of it.

I honestly think that you are all over the place here. So if the team doesn't perform it's the board's fault ? I don't see it.

I also think that stating that these two players have been overachievers and it's all the other players fault shows a lack of understanding about the modern game. These two players are on the big bucks. Paying these guys really good money leaves less to pay other players. That is why our squad isn't as good as what it could be. I think everyone of these supposed stars excluding Tedesco have performed well below par.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Woods and Tedesco have not over-achieved, they've achieved somewhat consistent with their pay grade and seniority. They are the club's highest-paid players and part of the leadership group, we expect players like this to play Origin.

But for 2 players that have never or hardly ever played finals football (Woods played 2 games in 2011), in some respects they've hardly achieved at all.

 

[Telltails]

Again you can spin it anyway you want but it is a results based game and our record shows we have performed poorly in all facets - and accountablity always starts at the top.
Whether Teddy and Woods handled the contract talks admirably or not, does not excuse the fact that we have promised better results for years and not delivered - and as two over achievers in a poor performing club they cant be held responsible for our lack of success or development as a team. Our current roster is as weak as I can remember it for some time - and yet until Simona was cut their was suggestion that we had cap issues!
Our decision makers/ management have offered little more than things will be better next year, and hopefully it will. One year too late it seems for Teddy and Woods, and the Roosters and the Bulldogs like clubs in strong positions do - took full advantage of it.

You are spinning yourself, in the opposite direction.

Every club promises better results every year, that's the name of the game. Yes we haven't delivered as a CLUB. If you want to excuse the players from lack of club delivery, go ahead, you are probably quite by yourself.

Team accountability starts at the top too - captain and rep-level players. They decided to jump ship for reasons never completely confirmed. If you say it's because the rest of the playing roster was not strong enough, then to hell with them, nobody wants players like around that anyway, that will only play for sides with already strong rosters.

Also hard to complain about the roster strength when you are asking for $1.5-2M combined yourself!!! How many Matulinos and Tui Lolos can we afford for 1 Tedesco and 1 Woods?

Bulldogs are a club in a strong position are they? What low expectations you must have, just higher than Tigers can meet, but low enough that the Bulldogs pass.

Do you think we are the only club that have players that command that sort of money???? Do you want to compete or just point the finger at individuals for our short comings?
The Bulldogs consistently perform well because when they have a bad year they address their weaknesses and recruit well - and their appearances in finals footy supports that. I am not judging them about their position on the ladder at this moment I am judging them as an organisation and their perfornance as a club over a number of years.
I repeat we have been poor in recruitment retention and cap management over a period of years and our roster has suffered because of that and results support that - and it effects ALL the players in the squad not just players the calibre of Woods and Teddy.

Within that roster Woods and Teddy have over achieved and their selection in representative teams again supports that as does the salary and interest that they commanded from strong rival clubs. And while you can question their current form - they have been consistently our best performers.
To put it very simply if we want to be successful we need to do better in managing our cap and attracting quality players and retaining them.
If you think as a club we have done this well we will have to agree to disagree and I am more than comfortable with that.

 

[earl]

Again you can spin it anyway you want but it is a results based game and our record shows we have performed poorly in all facets - and accountablity always starts at the top.
Whether Teddy and Woods handled the contract talks admirably or not, does not excuse the fact that we have promised better results for years and not delivered - and as two over achievers in a poor performing club they cant be held responsible for our lack of success or development as a team. Our current roster is as weak as I can remember it for some time - and yet until Simona was cut their was suggestion that we had cap issues!
Our decision makers/ management have offered little more than things will be better next year, and hopefully it will. One year too late it seems for Teddy and Woods, and the Roosters and the Bulldogs like clubs in strong positions do - took full advantage of it.

I honestly think that you are all over the place here. So if the team doesn't perform it's the board's fault ? I don't see it.

I also think that stating that these two players have been overachievers and it's all the other players fault shows a lack of understanding about the modern game. These two players are on the big bucks. Paying these guys really good money leaves less to pay other players. That is why our squad isn't as good as what it could be. I think everyone of these supposed stars excluding Tedesco have performed well below par.

I also think our current roster was good for this year. It's all fallen apart. This happens typically due to injuries. This season though in my opinion has fallen apart predominantly due to the big 4 holding out for more and more money and all of them performing well below their pay grades. Brooks obviously isn't on the level of the other 3\. He signed early and took a lot less money compared to the other 3.

Next year players like Reynolds and Packer will need to perform because we are paying them good money.

Lastly I agree we've made mistakes. We bet on 4 players turning into gun players and being loyal to us. They haven't been loyal and they all excluding Tedesco have not turned into top quality players that lead clubs to big seasons.

Where did I blame any players???? I am sure the players we have got play to the best of their ability most of the time, but our squad cannot be compared to the likes of clubs that feature consistently in finals series and our results support that.
The players cannot be held responsible for how the cap is managed and who is recruited that is the role of the decision makers/management - and ours has been poor.
I dont hold the board responsible for how players perform but they are responsible for putting together the squad and even the most ardent supporters would have to admit that ours is mediocre at best and has been for sometime.

You aren't making any sense to me here. So the board is completely to blame for the squad that we have on the park ? Again I don't think you understand business at all. The board aren't making these day to day decisions. The coaches make a lot of these decisions and I assume the CEO and football manager and recruiting manager are involved. There have been changes in these positions. The board can't be accountable for everything that happens. To add to that we don't appear to have the same amount of salary cap concessions (TPA's) that are available to other clubs.

The player have to take responsibility for their on and off field performances. I honestly think that this season the club had assembled a decent squad. The coach had the squad he wanted. The issue has been 3 players who have been extremely difficult and haven't performed up to expectations. To add to that Simona going and Idris getting injured have impacted the season as well.

I've never seen a club go into turmoil the way this club has on the basis of a significant number of their top players performing so poorly on and off the field.

Yes club management (not just the board) are partially to blame for lots of decisions that have been made but this is a pretty unique situation in relation to the players significantly underperforming on and off the field.

 

[earl]

Great post. These traitors have let the whole team and the club down. **They've played extremely poor footy** and dragging this on for as long as they have just to get themselves the maximum possible money and any special deals that they want killed this season and a coach.

I don't see things as being that bad though post this season.

I've also never seen such grubby behaviour from a group of players.

Actually aside from Moses I don't think that's true at all.

Tedesco has been Terrible. No commitment from him at all. No idea what you have been watching

He's been out of form, but it's not through lack of trying. If anything he's trying too hard to get something happening in a team that is playing poorly overall. You can't question his commitment.

He was offered a tonne of money to stay and he left. Last contract he signed elsewhere as well. He definitely isn't committed to the club.

Yes he is trying this season but his performance has been poor. Trying doesn't cut it in professional sports.

 

[earl]

Both make good arguments, but as stated in previous post, club management has changed, coach and admin have changed and now the squad is going through an overhaul.

Not sure what more we can expect from them.

Club may not have handled them selves the best with the contract negotiations but it's not easy when the dice are loaded. Benefit of hindsight club management shouldn't have promised us the cliche "we will improve, be better or top 4" rubbish. They should have stuck to quotes like "the salary cap sorted by 2018, membership increase, sponsorships added"

Leave the game promises to the coach and players.

The 3 and their manager turned this season into a dung heap. Less I say about them the better.

Cleary is building the playing group now and the board can focus on what they do.

I am confident that better times are ahead but I'm not confident success will come in 2018, maybe 2019 or 2020, I am confident that we will be competitive in 2018 and won't have to endure games like last Friday and those in which we copped big losses.

What more can we ask for. Joys of being a Tigers fan.

This is 100% correct. Results on the field should be about the players and the coaching staff.