IS The Salary Almost Dead And Buried

[goldcoast_tiger]

After the money that Manly has thrown at DCE on top of which they now want to throw an equal amount at Foran.
Can the Salary Cap do the job that it was supposed to do any longer??
If the reported money involved with the retention of these two players is correct , then the Cap has set itself up as an even bigger joke than it used to be.
The money from TPAs is enormous. And soon the only clubs that will again be able to buy top players will be probably the roosters, manly, Dogs, Souths, The Storm, Broncos and Cowboys.
The Cap seems to not exist when it concerns these clubs.
Back ending is a practice that shouldn't be allowed. It causes most of the problems for The clubs that have had problems before. The money that players are paid should be the same for each year of their contract
And a new Cap that is fair to all the clubs should be introduced.
Otherwise just open it all up and let the clubs pay what they want or can
It's not working now , so let's get rid of the B.S. About it and the TPA Rorts.
What's do others think?

 

[happy_tiger]

And bring in what GCT ??

That's the problem

Bring in a draft , people will complain

Do what they do in American Baseball people will complain

 

[Fade_To_Black]

The salary cap has been an absolute joke for many years now. Rorting is rife and the NRL either has no idea how to police it correctly or no inclination to rectify it. As far as the NRL is concerned as long as there are powerhouse clubs in NSW,QLD, ACT,NZ and Victoria they are content to turn a blind eye to the fact that there is becoming a bigger divide between the heavyweights and the minnows in this competition. It sickens me to say it but the NRL will go the way of EPL soccer where there are only 4 or so teams capable of winning the premiership every season….no wonder blue-collar fans are losing interest in the game. Money talks louder than ever these days.

 

[cqtiger]

GCT I agree with the ridiculousness of the salary cap and the coyness of TPA's.

Some will argue that clubs will go broke if there is no cap. My view is let them. I would much prefer private ownership for every NRL club so that it truly is run like a business. Can you imagine a millionaire owner accepting a process that is not fair and transparent?

I see no other way of convincing those in power that it truly does not work. Those same people will argue that it evens the competition - look how even it is!

All I know is that once in a blue moon a "lesser" club will build a team over a few years and make the GF, possibly even win it. But overall, it is the same handful of clubs that regularly fight for the big prize year in and year out.

How can a club get TPA's each and every year and prove that they have no link, that they are purely neutral, to that club at all. Nonsense. The NRLC must believe in fairies.

Are these clubs just employing very smart people to run their salary caps and a club like ours employs complete idiots? Of course not.

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[sheer64]

Limit the total TPA spend to a percentage of the cap, say 20%, limit the TPA on a single player to 30% of that total. If players start winging about jumping codes buy them a cheap going away present!

 

[happy_tiger]

Simple solution is we need to get better at doing what everyone else is doing

Don't cry its too hard

We have improved at TPA's , just give them some time to fix the current issues we have created and lets then judge them

 

[Russell]

Salary cap is ok if it is policed correctly. I think all players should be paid by the NRL.
i.e. Every club has %, 6 or 10 million cap or whatever it is. They issue the authority and new contract to the NRL and they make payments when due. No TPA agreements.
If players are getting paid by someone other than the NRL it should be much easier to trace.

TPA's are an absolute joke and pretty well open to rorting.

 

[Goose]

I dont think the salary cap is as effective as it should be.

But I think most people have vastly overestimated the role of TPA in the equation.

I dont remember the exact figure, but the average reported (official) TPA is around $200k and the gap between highest and lowest clubs was also around $200K. The gap in rosters is not explained by that discrepancy.

I expect that some clubs are probably using questionable tactics to circumvent the cap and feel there is a better option. what that option is, I dont know.

 

[MacDougall]

The American sports have a salary cap AND a draft, maybe that's what we should be doing.

Have larger squads, less interchange, rewards for junior development (if a player you developed declares for the draft then the club that takes them have to pay you a signing bonus or trailing comms or something, there'd be a way).

They just need to design a good system and put it in place, police it and stick with it.The cap alone isn't enough. If you had clubs like ours who develop juniors getting signing bonuses left and right from the cashed up clubs, we'd be cashed up too, it'd take care of itself. I'm sure the rich clubs wouldn't complain either. If they don't want to pay signing bonuses, don't poach good young talent in the draft, some other club will and it'll be to your detriment.

 

[mctiger]

GCT I agree with the ridiculousness of the salary cap and the coyness of TPA's.

Some will argue that clubs will go broke if there is no cap. My view is let them. I would much prefer private ownership for every NRL club so that it truly is run like a business. Can you imagine a millionaire owner accepting a process that is not fair and transparent?

I see no other way of convincing those in power that it truly does not work. Those same people will argue that it evens the competition - look how even it is!

All I know is that once in a blue moon a "lesser" club will build a team over a few years and make the GF, possibly even win it. But overall, it is the same handful of clubs that regularly fight for the big prize year in and year out.

How can a club get TPA's each and every year and prove that they have no link, that they are purely neutral, to that club at all. Nonsense. The NRLC must believe in fairies.

Are these clubs just employing very smart people to run their salary caps and a club like ours employs complete idiots? Of course not.

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I support a salary cap and whilst clubs may not go broke if they live within their means they won't be competitive either. I am also not convinced there would be that many people lining up to spend millions. It is hardly a good business to invest in.

The last 12 years have only seen manly win twice so it has been shared. Unlike English premier league with four winners in past 12 years and only three in past 11!

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[goldcoast_tiger]

And bring in what GCT ??

That's the problem

Bring in a draft , people will complain

Do what they do in American Baseball people will complain

I agree that some limit is needed , but the limit is not the same for everyone
TPAsare the problem
The Cap actually doesn't exist as some teams can spend millions more than others and still technically are not over . Either we have a cap or we don't
But if we do ,it should be a real cap, not one designed so that the bigger clubs can dip into another pocket and get away with that. We are on the way to again having Three or four clubs being the only clubs to be able to buy most of the top players ( which was one of the reasons for the cap, to spread the talent)

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

GCT I agree with the ridiculousness of the salary cap and the coyness of TPA's.

Some will argue that clubs will go broke if there is no cap. My view is let them. I would much prefer private ownership for every NRL club so that it truly is run like a business. Can you imagine a millionaire owner accepting a process that is not fair and transparent?

I see no other way of convincing those in power that it truly does not work. Those same people will argue that it evens the competition - look how even it is!

All I know is that once in a blue moon a "lesser" club will build a team over a few years and make the GF, possibly even win it. But overall, it is the same handful of clubs that regularly fight for the big prize year in and year out.

How can a club get TPA's each and every year and prove that they have no link, that they are purely neutral, to that club at all. Nonsense. The NRLC must believe in fairies.

Are these clubs just employing very smart people to run their salary caps and a club like ours employs complete idiots? Of course not.

 

[larrycorowa]

Salary cap is ok if it is policed correctly. I think all players should be paid by the NRL.
i.e. Every club has %, 6 or 10 million cap or whatever it is. They issue the authority and new contract to the NRL and they make payments when due. No TPA agreements.
If players are getting paid by someone other than the NRL it should be much easier to trace.

TPA's are an absolute joke and pretty well open to rorting.

This is a good idea. TPA's may die a natural death, many have fallen through over the past few years.

 

[Tuiaki_Chicken_Wings]

Salary cap is ok if it is policed correctly. I think all players should be paid by the NRL.
i.e. Every club has %, 6 or 10 million cap or whatever it is. They issue the authority and new contract to the NRL and they make payments when due. No TPA agreements.
If players are getting paid by someone other than the NRL it should be much easier to trace.

TPA's are an absolute joke and pretty well open to rorting.

This is a good idea. TPA's may die a natural death, many have fallen through over the past few years.

Do you honestly think that it will stop clubs from TPA? NRL will never stop the TPA because its one of the only ways we can keep our stars away from the big dollars in Rugby. If NRL loses that then alot more players will leave, and lets be honest i dont think the NRL cares too much about TPA because they just want the best players in the game.

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[balmain boy]

There just needs to be a cap on TPA's.

At present it's almost like there isn't actually a cap when you can top up players with unlimited amounts outside the cap if you can find the businesses willing to do so.

Makes a complete mockery of the intention of the cap.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Make it $1m only!

Every club is designated Junior Development Areas evenly in each state.

Clubs can only sign players from outside the development area for up to $1m a year.

Watch Junior Rugby League thrive!!!

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[Geo]

Don't get bitter …just get better...Hopefully we are...

 

[pHyR3]

given this is one of the closest competitions in NRL history, i'd say no. the salary cap is not dead

 

[bigsiro]

There is no way NRL can restrict TPA's or it would be a clear restraint of trade.

As happy tiger said we need to get better at doing what everyone else is doing.

I still say that we form a corporate entity made with fans as stakeholders/shareholders. In that structure we can create a TPA with the player of our choice and then we will have an actual hand in marquee recruitment - totally disconnected to the club.

How this may work on a very simple level: if each fan (shareholder) contributes $100 and we get 2,000 fans then we will have $200k. Simples!

The only problem I see with my proposal is part of the TPA rules that state: _"All third party agreements must be registered and approved beforehand. This is to ensure that they do not become a way for clubs or players to use sponsors or third parties to undermine the salary cap."_

So to get around this: if a player set up a company for these purposes (e.g. Israel Folau's lawyers created a company called Company ABC and Israel Folau was the only shareholder) this would circumvent the issue because the "sponsoring company" (us) is simply transferring funds to another company.

I have floated this idea on this forum before and can't quite recall the objection to it, but I remember that it was rejected by the masses. Still, I can't shrug the concept…am I living in dreamland?

 

[Demps]

Always a way around things.
If your employee wants to keep you they can always pull strings.

For example, in the real world….
In past jobs, there was two local stores maybe 15 minutes apart, maybe less.
Manager X was at store 1, earning say... 20k a week in sales.
Manager Y was at store 2, earning say, 40k a week in sales.

Manager X was on a considerably higher pay cheque than manager Y despite at a lower earning store.
Guess they figure they were more valuable to the company and needed to be looked after.
No clue.