Is the Wests Tigers training up to scratch? Compaired to other teams

[The Chad]

OK- who sets the standards of training intensity?

The coaching staff, right?

How can the Tigers training be any less intense than the Panthers training historically if Cleary was coach at both clubs? Were we so much fitter under Cleary?

Or Madge- hard nosed premiership winning coach Madge. He set the training schedule. Did he just go softer at the Tigers?

It's the players on the field. It's the players in the squad. It's recruitment & currently, the heavy reliance on players that have had far fewer NRL training schedules under their belt.

Does ANYONE expect Talau, Garner, Woods etc to go to their new club & say "Geez, training here is so much softer than when I was at the Tigers".

Of course they don't. I'd challenge ANYONE to equally find a quote where a player coming here says "training at the Tigers is way easier than when I was at such-and-such club".

If you are desperate to sink the boot into the club- at least do it with an argument that makes sense.

WE ARE YOUNGER THAN NEARLY EVERY CLUB.

We also have less experienced depth than nearly every NRL club.

It can't hurt to have more leaders that are renown for hard training. Our training standards are fine. Our facilities are better than most.

Our roster is mostly learning how to be NRL standard athletes.

 

[crazycat]

Do what the Bulldogs did. Hard training weeds them out then out the door they go for the ones who want to train hard!

I think Ciraldo is doing a little Madge, without the cool-down.

Training HARD but not SMART.

That's where I think Melbourne will edge them and the Dogs style will eventually wear thin.

 

[TigerSJ]

There is so much interchange of players, trainers, coaches etc in recent years that it’s hard to see that any one club could be far behind in training regimes. I think it’s more likely to be about the players that make up the squad.
Intensity in training drills and in fitness is something that you would think the coaching team and the leadership group should be driving every session.
Another factor might be the competition for positions within the squad which would drive individual players to train better and harder so they keep their spot. Unfortunately we are lucky to field 17 NRL standard players each week so there is very little competition for your spot in the 17.

 

[Lebanese_Coach_aspiration]

I think Ciraldo is doing a little Madge, without the cool-down.

Training HARD but not SMART.

That's where I think Melbourne will edge them and the Dogs style will eventually wear thin.

What you mean by this out of curiosty?

 

[crazycat]

OK- who sets the standards of training intensity?

The coaching staff, right?

How can the Tigers training be any less intense than the Panthers training historically if Cleary was coach at both clubs? Were we so much fitter under Cleary?

Or Madge- hard nosed premiership winning coach Madge. He set the training schedule. Did he just go softer at the Tigers?

It's the players on the field. It's the players in the squad. It's recruitment & currently, the heavy reliance on players that have had far fewer NRL training schedules under their belt.

Does ANYONE expect Talau, Garner, Woods etc to go to their new club & say "Geez, training here is so much softer than when I was at the Tigers".

Of course they don't. I'd challenge ANYONE to equally find a quote where a player coming here says "training at the Tigers is way easier than when I was at such-and-such club".

If you are desperate to sink the boot into the club- at least do it with an argument that makes sense.

WE ARE YOUNGER THAN NEARLY EVERY CLUB.

We also have less experienced depth than nearly every NRL club.

It can't hurt to have more leaders that are renown for hard training. Our training standards are fine. Our facilities are better than most.

Our roster is mostly learning how to be NRL standard athletes.

Just to temper this a bit.

Our facilities .. NOW are better then most. Our facilities used to be crap!

Also, "WE ARE YOUNGER THAN NEARLY EVERY CLUB." We are either two foundation clubs who have merged, and hence the combined experience of both OR were new kids on the block. That depth is there, that history is there. We are the Magpies, we are the Tigers, if we choose to be.


I know Anasta when he came here, he really laid the boot into our clubs training and our clubs facilities. Brooks started laying into us a little.

It's not our roster when Packer, Reynolds, Matalino, Tamou, Roberts, BJ, Staines, Naden, etc All dip in form once they join our team!

 

[Roar_Power]

I thought the COE was going to revolutionise our training and preparation, however. Imo there appears to be no appreciable change despite having a state of the art facility.
Interesting ……,

The barber has given Api some nice highlights.

 

[The Chad]

Just to temper this a bit.

Our facilities .. NOW are better then most. Our facilities used to be crap!

Also, "WE ARE YOUNGER THAN NEARLY EVERY CLUB." We are either two foundation clubs who have merged, and hence the combined experience of both OR were new kids on the block. That depth is there, that history is there. We are the Magpies, we are the Tigers, if we choose to be.


I know Anasta when he came here, he really laid the boot into our clubs training and our clubs facilities. Brooks started laying into us a little.

It's not our roster when Packer, Reynolds, Matalino, Tamou, Roberts, BJ, Staines, Naden, etc All dip in form once they join our team!

Younger as in- our players are younger. Less physically developed. Kids against men.

Not the history of the club type age.

And yes, our facilities are new. But I'm talking about the club as it is today.

 

[twentyforty]

Younger as in- our players are younger. Less physically developed. Kids against men.

Not the history of the club type age.

And yes, our facilities are new. But I'm talking about the club as it is today.

Are you saying young players dont train as hard as older players? I thought the reverse would be true? A generalisation because it depends entirely on the individual.

 

[happy_tiger]

I can't imagine Api letting the squad cut corners on the training track

 

[innsaneink]

OK- who sets the standards of training intensity?

The coaching staff, right?

How can the Tigers training be any less intense than the Panthers training historically if Cleary was coach at both clubs? Were we so much fitter under Cleary?

Or Madge- hard nosed premiership winning coach Madge. He set the training schedule. Did he just go softer at the Tigers?

It's the players on the field. It's the players in the squad. It's recruitment & currently, the heavy reliance on players that have had far fewer NRL training schedules under their belt.

Does ANYONE expect Talau, Garner, Woods etc to go to their new club & say "Geez, training here is so much softer than when I was at the Tigers".

Of course they don't. I'd challenge ANYONE to equally find a quote where a player coming here says "training at the Tigers is way easier than when I was at such-and-such club".

If you are desperate to sink the boot into the club- at least do it with an argument that makes sense.

WE ARE YOUNGER THAN NEARLY EVERY CLUB.

We also have less experienced depth than nearly every NRL club.

It can't hurt to have more leaders that are renown for hard training. Our training standards are fine. Our facilities are better than most.

Our roster is mostly learning how to be NRL standard athletes.

No.
Of course not
but i never seem to hear other players from other clubs saying what our exes say about us

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Only what our exes say about their current clubs...

 

[BAGNF05]

Are you saying young players dont train as hard as older players? I thought the reverse would be true? A generalisation because it depends entirely on the individual.

It’s not about how hard they train it’s about the years of conditioning older players have put into their bodies. They are rugby league hardened up against kids. He’s 100% right.

 

[The Chad]

It’s not about how hard they train it’s about the years of conditioning older players have put into their bodies. They are rugby league hardened up against kids. He’s 100% right.

100% this.

You can't expect a 19 year old to have the same physical strength & toughness of a similarly sized 26-27 year old that has been through multiple years of NRL standard training.

That isn't to say they will NEVER have that strength. Just that these kids are in their career infancy. They are not NRL hardened yet. And our squad is FULL of these guys.

That isn't being critical of the club. After years upon years of prioritizing signing players cast off from other clubs, the Tigers are force feeding a talented group of their own juniors playing & training experience. It will pay off in the end.

 

[The Chad]

No.
Of course not
but i never seem to hear other players from other clubs saying what our exes say about us

Is this through the same media outlets that seem to delight in putting the club down?

 

[innsaneink]

Is this through the same media outlets that seem to delight in putting the club down?

Oh jeez Chad yiure pushing my memory...i guess some were I recall a young guy named King akoula had a bad trot with mental health.. The fox guys and. Penrith used him against us it was a disgusting eliside
Seem to recall Lote was south's own media
Plenty of others but it's too long ago to recall where it was through

 

[Snidest 0]

Oh jeez Chad yiure pushing my memory...i guess some were I recall a young guy named King akoula had a bad trot with mental health.. The fox guys and. Penrith used him against us it was a disgusting eliside
Seem to recall Lote was south's own media
Plenty of others but it's too long ago to recall where it was through

Kingi Akauola was a winger who did his shoulder wrestling Blake Ayshford at training when they were playing 20s and never returned.

You are thinking of Sitaleki Akauola - who played off the bench as a back-rower int the Premiership winning 2012 NYC team - and got shafted by Jason Taylor after debuting under Mick Potter....

NO mental health issues - but JT treated him like shit when he had lost his best mate Mosese Fotuaika the previous year and had finished the year under Potter in first grade - but Taylor didn't rate him & preferred Kyle Lovett FFS!!

Never said anything about our training - just being blanked and ghosted by the pretend head coach at the time!

Lote didn't say shit about us either!

Name ONE REAL example!!

This is more Mandela Effect BS!!! False memories!

 

[innsaneink]

Mate I heard or read Lote say what he said

But I guess yiu heard and read everything he said so yeah... You're right I'm wrong

 

[Snidest 0]

Mate I heard or read Lote say what he said

But I guess yiu heard and read everything he said so yeah... You're right I'm wrong

Lote didn't do much training at the Tigers aside from 2010 - he was always injured...

And his last year was under Potter - so who gives a toss...

The narrative of disgruntled players claiming our training is sub-standard is a figment of fertile imaginations!

 

[tigeress]

I'm interested in this discussion too.

Not trying to defend the club, but perhaps with Lote's comment it could relate to facilities and such at the time at the two clubs.

One observation: we got Steve Folkes in as a trainer in 2010-11 and that coincided with a run of good consistent footy where we made the finals each year and looked so good that in 2012 we were made premiership favourites. For whatever reason Folkes was not kept on in 2012 and we slumped back to old inconsistent form.

I always felt there was something in that. From 2006 to 2010 we could dazzle but we never won consistently, then he came in and we looked different. We were strong and played the basics well, like tackling strongly and pushing through in tackles.

That was our best patch of footy as a club. Benji was there through all that, hopefully he saw something in that.

I noticed the difference when S Folkes was at the club, we did really well in those years, so what was he doing that others have not been able to emulate since then !

 

[twentyforty]

100% this.

You can't expect a 19 year old to have the same physical strength & toughness of a similarly sized 26-27 year old that has been through multiple years of NRL standard training.

That isn't to say they will NEVER have that strength. Just that these kids are in their career infancy. They are not NRL hardened yet. And our squad is FULL of these guys.

That isn't being critical of the club. After years upon years of prioritizing signing players cast off from other clubs, the Tigers are force feeding a talented group of their own juniors playing & training experience. It will pay off in the end.

I wish I could share your optimism, but I can’t see it paying off until we get the mix of experience/youth right. We seemed to be on the right path pre 2013, with a strong focus on juniors, while equally valuing experience. Sheens return coincided with a stronger focus on juniors but have we gone too far?
Just my opinion, but if you want the juniors to survive and thrive, they need to be surrounded by experienced drivers.