Is the Wests Tigers training up to scratch? Compaired to other teams

[Sco77y]

Hard to get a gauge on. We always hear murmurs from some players complaining they're being worked too hard. But then our results, and inability to even keep up with the pace of an NRL game says they mustn't be working hard enough.

 

[Tiger_heart]

Physical fitness is a vital component of athletic success, BUT it must be complemented by skill development, mental toughness, proper nutrition, recovery, footy brain and other factors to maximize a player's potential for success. Any team needs to address both physical and mental aspects of performance.
Where these conditions exist, for example at the Storm, it is easy for players (that are willing and capable) to improve. Otherwise, it would be easy pre-season to lock everyone in a gym, feed them buckets of proteins, and win a premiership.

 

[BAGNF05]

I agree but the Melb system keeps punching out above average players no matter who they plug in.

There was that little issue where they took trophies away when they fielded a Kangaroos team too.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Hard to get a gauge on. We always hear murmurs from some players complaining they're being worked too hard. But then our results, and inability to even keep up with the pace of an NRL game says they mustn't be working hard enough.

Do what the Bulldogs did. Hard training weeds them out then out the door they go for the ones who want to train hard!

 

[BAGNF05]

Way to many instances of players leaving and stating its pretty relaxed. & comfy here compared to pretty much every other club

Lote... Who I'd.putn the class of. Bloke like Hodgo, rowdy Webke and beaver Menzies mentioned it was a lot more professional at south's than here
That one really stuck with me as it surprised me greatly... Not what he said. But the fact he said it... He's the "if yiu nothing good to say don't say nothing".. Very old school respectful.. My mum used to try & drum it into me
But we've had so many ex players say basically the same thing

Nothing stopping a playing group going “we don’t get free Gatorade or financial advice here but you know what, feck it, let’s stick it up them silver tail clubs, let’s work out arses off”,

…but you need the group.

 

[Halbrowne61]

I remember when Madge wanted to toughen the team up and the cattle couldnt take the training and said Madge was to tough,,, Funny thing Madge gets sacked,,,Might be something in the soft players,not sure but that argument may have substance...

Obviously a lots changed over the years. Lack of mental and physical toughness prevalent through out society but our precious boys different to Storm, Sharks, Roosters and Broncos.
Would be interesting to compare their programs vs ours and nite any differences.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

.. then you have Talau obviously running heavy here, moves drops 8kg and performing better. I look at matamua, to me he looks heavy. Milller and the baby fat yet you have 19/20 yr old forwards debuting last few years in tip top shape.. our standards is obviously not up there for these so called professional athletes.

Your observations are spot on. Talau losing 8kg holds his wing spot, can't beat anyone but still there.
Blore now up to Storm standards.
Matamua only 21, but looks overweight which makes it hard to maintain the extra effort in defence.
Miller,19yrs and way to much baby fat around the arse and gut. Fingers crossed with hard work and dedication he will drop 10kg or convert it into muscle?

 

[Tiger_claws]

Bellamy said that Blore was under done when he arrived (not sure if Blore missed any preseason with us). I know when Garner first arrived at Penrith he said the intensity and standards they train to was a big eye opener. I have watched the team train twice and wasn’t impressed at all. Not much talk and very scrappy. Both sessions where just ball work sessions so I have no idea how they go in the gym or with conditioning.

 

[BAGNF05]

Bellamy said that Blore was under done when he arrived (not sure if Blore missed any preseason with us). I know when Garner first arrived at Penrith he said the intensity and standards they train to was a big eye opener. I have watched the team train twice and wasn’t impressed at all. Not much talk and very scrappy. Both sessions where just ball work sessions so I have no idea how they go in the gym or with conditioning.

Lack of talk in a ball work session is concerning but not surprising on the evidence . Centres and wingers should be barking constantly. No doubt the youth is part of the issue .

 

[Lebanese_Coach_aspiration]

Do what the Bulldogs did. Hard training weeds them out then out the door they go for the ones who want to train hard!

I've been saying alot lately we need to look at the bulldoggs as a blueprint as they were us only a year ago.

Not only can we emulate them, we can use the same actors.
I see an opportunity to grab a few of their players.
Hutch, Mann, skelton, Wilson etc

What we do have, that they didn't, is a good spine. they got lucky with Connor tracy.
Although they ave the best backline in the NRL now.

 

[Lebanese_Coach_aspiration]

The challenge with upping the intensity of our training steers into racial territory so I'll not go further, but might need to take a couple of seasons.

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

.. then you have Talau obviously running heavy here, moves drops 8kg and performing better. I look at matamua, to me he looks heavy. Milller and the baby fat yet you have 19/20 yr old forwards debuting last few years in tip top shape.. our standards is obviously not up there for these so called professional athletes.

Add Feledy….he looks too plump

 

[crazycat]

Training meaning Strength and Conditioning?? I'd say we are OK.

The game requires a lot more athleticism now instead of just raw power. In 2012 you could have a player like George Rose in your team and do quite well.

The thing that has me scratching my head is that we supposedly had an absolutely brutal training program in preseason based on 'Standards' but we currently have the worst disciplinary record of any NRL team in modern history. Go figure.

Yea, but discipline and training are a little different.

Yes we should coach around brain-snaps. I don't think they are our biggest problem.

Were Soft and just not grinding.
Were SLOW! PLay the ball and attack is just so disjointingly slow. I see Api and things happen occasionally on the middle. I also see our center or our wing occasionally score. But never fast movements following fast movements... just SLOW>

Fast football will lead to more Discipline issues and errors. Yet we seem to have them while playing like a snail.

 

[BAGNF05]

Footy players generally peak at around the age of 24-26 for backs (some freaks are younger) and 26-30 for forwards. I don’t think we should mistake some of our players lack of physicality for laziness. They’re still growing.

Some of the older players bone head errors, go to town.

 

[TrueTiger]

Lack of talk in a ball work session is concerning but not surprising on the evidence . Centres and wingers should be barking constantly. No doubt the youth is part of the issue .

I go back a long time since I played but the biggest lesson I was taught was to communicate....not a bad thing to do in a team sport.....

 

[Chipofftheoldblock]

Agree and have said this for a while that we always look unfit and lack any strength. Players get dominated in tackles and when tackling the opposition struggle to put them on their backs.
Watch the game this week and Canberra will be huge in body type and physically.
The standards need to be set by the coaching staff and then the player leadership group. Everyone has to buy in (example Warriors improvement since Andrew Webster took over).
This game was bought up on effort, toughness and skill.
Hayden Knowles or Mark Andrews are the ones i would bring in to change the mindset and standards from a fitness POV.

 

[BAGNF05]

I go back a long time since I played but the biggest lesson I was taught was to communicate....not a bad thing to do in a team sport.....

Exactly mate. No excuse not to be talking especially when you’re out wide catching flies. A pretty handy coach taught me that in my very early teens.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

I think it's pretty obvious its not, one thing we should be with our current lack of talent is physically fit. The only way you can even slightly level the playing field when you don't have the roster is being fitter than the rest. We clearly aren't in fact we seem to be one of the least fit teams.

 

[Droppy05]

I think it's pretty obvious its not, one thing we should be with our current lack of talent is physically fit. The only way you can even slightly level the playing field when you don't have the roster is being fitter than the rest. We clearly aren't in fact we seem to be one of the least fit teams.

Agree!

 

[BAGNF05]

I think it's pretty obvious its not, one thing we should be with our current lack of talent is physically fit. The only way you can even slightly level the playing field when you don't have the roster is being fitter than the rest. We clearly aren't in fact we seem to be one of the least fit teams.

Aerobic fitness and physicality are very different. Our young squad should be fit but I can understand them being out muscled by older more aggressive sides.