Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[TonyTiger]

Ivan did a good job in changing the culture at our club but where are all the scrum base moves & blind side raids that had the commentators talking when Mick Potter was coach - we were exciting and enterprising back then with our short side raids, run arounds, 40/20’s and all round deceptive plays. We need to find another Pat Richards.
- We are grinders now, struggling to come up with anything in attack.

 

[gallagher]

I actually think that its a really dumb move by the club to make this sort of ultimatum to Cleary - either sign an extension of we will give you the boot.

What if he signs the extension, and we run dead last for the next two years? Do we just say oh well, it didnt work out, here's a suitcase full of cash to walk away from the contract extension?

Coaching extensions should be earned by on-field success… not knee jerk reactions to approaches by rivals.

I get they want this resolved, but there are other ways to go about this.

Agreed, a contract extension is a ridiculous notion. It should be results driven not fear driven.

 

[innsaneink]

Brooks' words:
Could be… Not would be.
But of a difference

“It’s a tough one. I think it could be difficult if we knew that a coach is already going two years down the track,” Brooks told NRL Tonight.

 

[Tigers17]

I actually think that its a really dumb move by the club to make this sort of ultimatum to Cleary - either sign an extension of we will give you the boot.

What if he signs the extension, and we run dead last for the next two years? Do we just say oh well, it didnt work out, here's a suitcase full of cash to walk away from the contract extension?

Coaching extensions should be earned by on-field success… not knee jerk reactions to approaches by rivals.

I get they want this resolved, but there are other ways to go about this.

This is long overdue, but THANK YOU Abraham for your intelligent, thoughtful contributions on all subjects on this forum.

 

[Telltails]

If he is as decent a fellow as he is made out to be and he" love the Wts" as he has stated he will ask for a release- and we should grant it.
A rebuild coach has to be in it for the long haul to keep Ivan on to spite Gould wont effect Penrith, but is more likely to further prolong our progress, if in fact it is stalling our ability to recruit.
Hopefully both clubs are nutting out a solution and it is resolved quickly so we can counteract the damage already done and focus becomes back on the club instead of the over inflated value of the Clearys.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Brooks' words:
Could be… Not would be.
But of a difference

“It’s a tough one. I think it could be difficult if we knew that a coach is already going two years down the track,” Brooks told NRL Tonight.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/luke-brooks-says-it-would-be-hard-to-play-under-ivan-cleary-if-he-signs-for-panthers-from-2021/news-story/2801cfbfbba7ccc27aa81b02ced48a9e?utm_source=daily_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&utm_content=control

WESTS Tigers halfback Luke Brooks has admitted it would be “difficult” to play under Ivan Cleary should the coach take up an offer from the Panthers from 2021
Penrith are reportedly in deep negotiations with Cleary to return to the foot of the mountains.

Cleary is currently contracted at the Tigers until the end of 2020 but should he sign, his position at the club could become untenable.

Brooks said having a coach with one eye on another club could be a distraction.
“It’s a tough one. I think it could be difficult if we knew that a coach is already going two years down the track,” Brooks told NRL Tonight.

“We don’t know if it’s going to happen but if it does we will worry about it when it gets to that point.”
Cleary has been strongly linked to the Panthers ever since club boss Phil Gould sensationally sacked coach Anthony Griffin midway through the season.

Assistant coach Cameron Ciraldo was placed in charge for the remainder of 2018 and led the side to the second week of the finals where they eventually lost to the Sharks.
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Ciraldo had reportedly been rewarded with an offer to coach the Panthers for at least 2019.

It is understood should the Tigers allows Cleary to leave early, the club would seek compensation from the Panthers in the form of cash and players.
Former NSW Blues coach Laurie Daley said Cleary could not continue at the Tigers, should he sign with the Panthers from 2021.

And Daley had a clear replacement in mind.

“I’d get on the front foot if I was the Wests Tigers and I’d be making a phone call to Ivan and saying, ‘Mate what are you doing?’,” he said on The Big Sports Breakfast on Thursday.

“And if he says he’s going to honour his contract but he wants to go to Penrith in 2021 I’d be making a phone call to Michael Maguire trying to get a deal done and trying to get some compensation off Penrith to release Ivan to go straight away.

“Michael Maguire would be my number one target if I was CEO of the Tigers.”

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

You can not compare players to coaches. Players get dropped, one of the hazards of their job. Name a coach whose ever been demoted to coach reserve grade?

Name a coach who signed to coach a rival team while still having 2 years left on his contract?

The point is any employee can be demoted.

So no coach has ever been demoted to reserve grade then? Wonder why that is

Hmmm ?

Okay tweedle dee. Coaches don’t get demoted because they get fired and are no longer wanted. We are so privileged to have a coach who doesn’t want us not the other way round. It was brought up as an idea to force penriths hand so they don’t get Ivan the terrible for free and we don’t have someone here whose long term future is somewhere else. If your too stupid to understand that then run along and keep count of peoples posts on things qyou don’t agree with or pull out your JT fan book and reminisce.

TP,
there may be any number of coaches who have signed with a club , to go there ,well and truly before his existing contracted finished, who would know, unless he made it public,
Don’t you get it, there’s nothing wrong with doing that , regardless if anyone likes it or not,

He can’t be sacked for that if he continues to Coach at the current club , and does so according to his contract,
He can be Paid out and released, but that is a whole different kettle of fish.

 

[mike]

I actually think that its a really dumb move by the club to make this sort of ultimatum to Cleary - either sign an extension of we will give you the boot.

What if he signs the extension, and we run dead last for the next two years? Do we just say oh well, it didnt work out, here's a suitcase full of cash to walk away from the contract extension?

Coaching extensions should be earned by on-field success… not knee jerk reactions to approaches by rivals.

I get they want this resolved, but there are other ways to go about this.

Where is the ‘like’ button when you need it. :master:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I actually think that its a really dumb move by the club to make this sort of ultimatum to Cleary - either sign an extension of we will give you the boot.

What if he signs the extension, and we run dead last for the next two years? Do we just say oh well, it didnt work out, here's a suitcase full of cash to walk away from the contract extension?

Coaching extensions should be earned by on-field success… not knee jerk reactions to approaches by rivals.

I get they want this resolved, but there are other ways to go about this.

Agreed, a contract extension is a ridiculous notion. It should be results driven not fear driven.

Especially if signed under duress, it would be worthless,
I’m starting (like some) to think that, unless there’s some hard evidence that He’s broken his contract, the club look like painting themselves into a corner with their “sign an extension , or else “, attitude

 

[WT2K]

I actually think that its a really dumb move by the club to make this sort of ultimatum to Cleary - either sign an extension of we will give you the boot.

What if he signs the extension, and we run dead last for the next two years? Do we just say oh well, it didnt work out, here's a suitcase full of cash to walk away from the contract extension?

Coaching extensions should be earned by on-field success… not knee jerk reactions to approaches by rivals.

I get they want this resolved, but there are other ways to go about this.

Agree

 

[Abraham]

This is long overdue, but THANK YOU Abraham for your intelligent, thoughtful contributions on all subjects on this forum.

Thank you for making such an obviously factual statement! :laughing:

 

[Nelson]

I actually think that its a really dumb move by the club to make this sort of ultimatum to Cleary - either sign an extension of we will give you the boot.

What if he signs the extension, and we run dead last for the next two years? Do we just say oh well, it didnt work out, here's a suitcase full of cash to walk away from the contract extension?

Coaching extensions should be earned by on-field success… not knee jerk reactions to approaches by rivals.

I get they want this resolved, but there are other ways to go about this.

It's always easy to be critical of things. I'm sure whatever "other ways" you have in mind would also have pitfalls of their own. The club is in a difficult situation and would know much more about how this saga is impacting upon the attitude of the players towards the coach and the attitude of recruitment targets to the situation than we do. If the players feel like he's sold them out his coaching style isn't going to work so well so maybe the club feels like it either needs to have Cleary "re-commit" to the club and its players through an extension or move him on. If we lose money, we lose money so what? I can't think of any other way to re-establish trust and if its been lost then he's a dead duck as a coach of this club.

 

[Abraham]

I actually think that its a really dumb move by the club to make this sort of ultimatum to Cleary - either sign an extension of we will give you the boot.

What if he signs the extension, and we run dead last for the next two years? Do we just say oh well, it didnt work out, here's a suitcase full of cash to walk away from the contract extension?

Coaching extensions should be earned by on-field success… not knee jerk reactions to approaches by rivals.

I get they want this resolved, but there are other ways to go about this.

It's always easy to be critical of things. I'm sure whatever "other ways" you have in mind would also have pitfalls of their own. The club is in a difficult situation and would know much more about how this saga is impacting upon the attitude of the players towards the coach and the attitude of recruitment targets to the situation than we do. If the players feel like he's sold them out his coaching style isn't going to work so well so maybe the club feels like it either needs to have Cleary "re-commit" to the club and its players through an extension or move him on. If we lose money, we lose money so what? I can't think of any other way to re-establish trust and if its been lost then he's a dead duck as a coach of this club.

I'm sure that's exactly what is behind the Club's move, and they feel like this needs to be resolved quickly before the pre-season starts.

No argument there.

But solving one problem, only to create a potentially bigger and more expensive one down the track, is not how i would handle this personally.

There is a hundred other paths that i would tread before taking the option the club is apparently going to take… that is, unless they already know the outcome and have a plan in place once it is formalized. Then that is a completely different story, and changes everything.

 

[Tim Sheens]

One would hope that is the case, else quite expensive bait.

 

[Harvey]

We need to consider more left field options.

Lock Ivan in a video room at concord and only let him out for coaching sessions and game days.

Can they develop a gimp suit with the relevant logos?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I was going to suggest a poll but there are barely any pro-Cleary voices left…

I almost think we want him gone more than we wanted Taylor gone.

There are more than you think that want Ivan to finish the job he started. However we are not as noisy and vitriolic as the witch hunters.

Why is it that having an alternate opinion makes you a witch hunter? Can’t we have a sophisticated debate where alternate views are raised and discussed?

My opinion is that Cleary needs to go if his intention is to sign with Penrith. Don’t believe I’m hunting him in any way.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Name a coach who signed to coach a rival team while still having 2 years left on his contract?

The point is any employee can be demoted.

So no coach has ever been demoted to reserve grade then? Wonder why that is

Hmmm ?

Okay tweedle dee. Coaches don’t get demoted because they get fired and are no longer wanted. We are so privileged to have a coach who doesn’t want us not the other way round. It was brought up as an idea to force penriths hand so they don’t get Ivan the terrible for free and we don’t have someone here whose long term future is somewhere else. If your too stupid to understand that then run along and keep count of peoples posts on things qyou don’t agree with or pull out your JT fan book and reminisce.

TP,
there may be any number of coaches who have signed with a club , to go there ,well and truly before his existing contracted finished, who would know, unless he made it public,
Don’t you get it, there’s nothing wrong with doing that , regardless if anyone likes it or not,

He can’t be sacked for that if he continues to Coach at the current club , and does so according to his contract,
He can be Paid out and released, but that is a whole different kettle of fish.

I think hasler had already signed with centrelink, and that's why he sabotaged the dogs.

 

[jadtiger]

I was going to suggest a poll but there are barely any pro-Cleary voices left…

I almost think we want him gone more than we wanted Taylor gone.

There are more than you think that want Ivan to finish the job he started. However we are not as noisy and vitriolic as the witch hunters.

Why is it that having an alternate opinion makes you a witch hunter? Can’t we have a sophisticated debate where alternate views are raised and discussed?

My opinion is that Cleary needs to go if his intention is to sign with Penrith. Don’t believe I’m hunting him in any way.

The reason i use the term "witch hunter" is because everything is based on media speculation and imagination.Not a single fact.I have no objection to people having a different opinion to mine on this or any other subject but at least stick to facts not rumours based on speculation

 

[NT_Tiger]

I was going to suggest a poll but there are barely any pro-Cleary voices left…

I almost think we want him gone more than we wanted Taylor gone.

There are more than you think that want Ivan to finish the job he started. However we are not as noisy and vitriolic as the witch hunters.

Why is it that having an alternate opinion makes you a witch hunter? Can’t we have a sophisticated debate where alternate views are raised and discussed?

My opinion is that Cleary needs to go if his intention is to sign with Penrith. Don’t believe I’m hunting him in any way.

The reason i use the term "witch hunter" is because everything is based on media speculation and imagination.Not a single fact

He looks like he's made of wood.

 

[Fibros]

We need to consider more left field options.

Lock Ivan in a video room at concord and only let him out for coaching sessions and game days.

Can they develop a gimp suit with the relevant logos?

The rorters did for Teddy.