Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[Nucky_Thompson]

What a disgusting situation this scumbag has put has in. The worst possible outcome would have been having his son here, I hope that never happens. Stuff them and their dream, we backed him after Gould humiliated him, and people like me have supported some of his dodgy recruitment and selection calls only to get this.

Best case scenario for the integrity of the game is for us to keep him until Penrith invest in another coach and sack the grub the next day if he is chucking a Moses.

Next best thing, and probably better for us, is to take them to the cleaners in terms of players and cash. Just feeds back into the NRL being a grubby sport though, so I prefer we drag this out and humiliate the Clearys and Gould.

The poor players, probably the most mentally resilient bunch of good blokes who play for each other we've had since Sheens and they have to cop this. I thought Cleary sounded a bit strange saying this group might not be the group we need for success (after he assembled them), now I hope he chokes on a cooked bone like the Dog he appears to be.

Good rant OMT

Beautiful put mate fully support it.

 

[Mickeyboy]

Surely Ivan would want to see one of his rebuilds to actual fruition?

 

[Spud_Murphy]

This is even worse than the whole Big Four saga. Still confused as to how another team sacking it's coach four weeks out from the finals somehow still affects us. Are we really that much of a basket case???

No we are not a basket case, Penrith are. We just happen to have, as our coach, the father of the one player they desperately want to keep. They know that said player wants to play under his father, so they are unscrupulously going about doing everything they can to make that happen at their club, with total disregard for us and the turmoil it is creating within our club!

I am livid at Penrith's, and in particular, Gould's scheming and immoral actions in trying to bring this about, walking all over our club in the process. I've completely lost any respect I ever had for Phil Gould and for the Penrith club, who I have considered to be my second favourite team for many years now.

I honestly hope their plans to secure both Cleary's completely backfires and blows up in their faces deluxe, and they end up with neither Cleary and a crap coach.

 

[Eddie]

It would have been shut down by Cleary today if there were no legs at all in it. Simple.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Surely Ivan would want to see one of his rebuilds to actual fruition?

You would think so!

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here.

This isn't about Nathan, it's about Tim Grant, remember he left Penrith to come to the Tigers, Ivan followed, Tim goes back to Penrith, no surprise, Ivan wants to return.

:roll
I did think about Tim and MWZ earlier

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

If the situation is true and smoking gun is saying at it is Wests Tigers have NO leverage.

Ivan wants to leave to coach Penrith, we beat our chests say no it is not happening he’s under contract.

If we don’t let him go we have a coach who doesn’t want to be here. So in affect the leader of the football doesn’t want to be at the club which is filter down through all levels like a poison. Penrith will offer the club some half arsed tokenistic deal knowing they are the ones with power and we are screwed.

The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here. But let’s be honest from what we know of each clubs facilities, player potential and money Penrith is a stronger club.

The leverage tigers have is he can’t coach another first grade NRL team til 2021\. The leverage is Penrith are hell bent on keeping Nathan they are trying to lure his dad there now. If Penrith don’t want to wait they will ha r to give up assets. That’s business

What I am saying is they won’t have to give up much, just a little coin as a token gesture. Do you truely believe that Ivan can continue as coach if he wants to leave? The club can force him to stay but that would be a disaster.

 

[hammertime]

Hope there is a big law firm helping the Tigers get maximum Panthers pokies dollars compensation for Ican Nearly's early release.

Brydens

Maybe it wont be so bad if we can build our COE off the back of the panthers payout.

 

[tigerap]

It would have been shut down by Cleary today if there were no legs at all in it. Simple.

Correct!!

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Surely Ivan would want to see one of his rebuilds to actual fruition?

Ivan made a huge mistake in 2011 leaving the Warriors who made the GF in all 3.
Maybe will learn from it.

 

[old_man_tiger]

What a disgusting situation this scumbag has put has in. The worst possible outcome would have been having his son here, I hope that never happens. Stuff them and their dream, we backed him after Gould humiliated him, and people like me have supported some of his dodgy recruitment and selection calls only to get this.

Best case scenario for the integrity of the game is for us to keep him until Penrith invest in another coach and sack the grub the next day if he is chucking a Moses.

Next best thing, and probably better for us, is to take them to the cleaners in terms of players and cash. Just feeds back into the NRL being a grubby sport though, so I prefer we drag this out and humiliate the Clearys and Gould.

The poor players, probably the most mentally resilient bunch of good blokes who play for each other we've had since Sheens and they have to cop this. I thought Cleary sounded a bit strange saying this group might not be the group we need for success (after he assembled them), now I hope he chokes on a cooked bone like the Dog he appears to be.

Good rant OMT

Beautiful put mate fully support it.

Thanks Fellas
I really hope I'm wrong about him. Ttere are too many conflicting stories for any of us to know, but it does seem very plausible that he has sought a switch with a long way to go on his contract after committing us to a path that the next coach may disagree with. And the poor old Wests Tigers go back to square one…. again....

 

[Mickeyboy]

Is there any reason why WT's can't match the $ supposedly offered?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Is there any reason why WT's can't match the $ supposedly offered?

But we can’t match the roster or facilities that Nathan may be drawn towards. Therefore Ivan is drawn there as well

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

What a disgusting situation this scumbag has put has in. The worst possible outcome would have been having his son here, I hope that never happens. Stuff them and their dream, we backed him after Gould humiliated him, and people like me have supported some of his dodgy recruitment and selection calls only to get this.

Best case scenario for the integrity of the game is for us to keep him until Penrith invest in another coach and sack the grub the next day if he is chucking a Moses.

Next best thing, and probably better for us, is to take them to the cleaners in terms of players and cash. Just feeds back into the NRL being a grubby sport though, so I prefer we drag this out and humiliate the Clearys and Gould.

The poor players, probably the most mentally resilient bunch of good blokes who play for each other we've had since Sheens and they have to cop this. I thought Cleary sounded a bit strange saying this group might not be the group we need for success (after he assembled them), now I hope he chokes on a cooked bone like the Dog he appears to be.

Good rant OMT

Beautiful put mate fully support it.

Thanks Fellas
I really hope I'm wrong about him. Ttere are too many conflicting stories for any of us to know, but it does seem very plausible that he has sought a switch with a long way to go on his contract after committing us to a path that the next coach may disagree with. And the poor old Wests Tigers go back to square one…. again....

Yeah mate if the nrl continues like this I will be switching off.

 

[smoking_gun]

If the situation is true and smoking gun is saying at it is Wests Tigers have NO leverage.

Ivan wants to leave to coach Penrith, we beat our chests say no it is not happening he’s under contract.

If we don’t let him go we have a coach who doesn’t want to be here. So in affect the leader of the football doesn’t want to be at the club which is filter down through all levels like a poison. Penrith will offer the club some half arsed tokenistic deal knowing they are the ones with power and we are screwed.

The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here. But let’s be honest from what we know of each clubs facilities, player potential and money Penrith is a stronger club.

The leverage tigers have is he can’t coach another first grade NRL team til 2021\. The leverage is Penrith are hell bent on keeping Nathan they are trying to lure his dad there now. If Penrith don’t want to wait they will ha r to give up assets. That’s business

What I am saying is they won’t have to give up much, just a little coin as a token gesture. Do you truely believe that Ivan can continue as coach if he wants to leave? The club can force him to stay but that would be a disaster.

They will give up what tigers want and nothing less. Tigers can release him under the proviso he can’t coach in any facet in NRL until 2021 if he doesn’t want to stay that bad. But I don’t think it will come to that. Like I said before only extremely bad management from Pascoe and go can balls this up if he indeed wants to go

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Gould/penrith would be loving seeing tigers fans turn on our own coach. Thats probably half the strategy…say bits and pieces to the media in a certain way, leak half truths and make a few things up, let the media run with it and watch tigers fans turn on Ivan and push him out the door.

My take is that Ivan has been told that the head coach position at Penrith is available to him if he wants it for x dollars/years etc. Ivan has informed Pascoe of this off the back of the Griffin sacking yesterday (knowing the media would link him to his son). Pascoe has made comment about the two of them having a frank discussion around the situation - eg Pascoe letting Ivan know theres no way hes leaving here under contract. Also from Pascoes comments it's pretty clear that Ivan has not asked for a release. I actually think there is nothing to worry about at all and the comments from Go and Pascoe are completely reactionary to the intense media speculation and uproar from tigers fans that happened today rather than any concern internally. Pascoes video on our website I saw as a get stuffed to gould/penrith more than anything else.

Cant knock Ivan for receiving another job offer, have faith in Ivan that he will have come to the right decision. Everything the media is saying completely contradicts the character of the man we've gotten to know over the last 2 years. Just old mate Gould back at it again - causing a stir

Thanks Marzie. I was thinking I'd be on my own in this regard. Innocent until proven guilty? Not on this forum, the assumptions are sharpening the pitchforks for the masses.
It appears that many here have made the assumption that Pascoes talk about the legal side of things was in response to a request to leave from Cleary. I don't read it that way. Pascoe has said that Cleary has not asked for a release from either himself or Marina Go. I think the legal stuff was either to shut the Panthers offer down completely, or to set up proceedings following an attempt to coerce Ivan out of his contract, or both.

You are right NT, and often are.
However I felt great after a big rant and will be happy to be wrong as I usually am according to my wife, daughter and son (who is due in a week.)

Intent is enough for me the cleary and their big heads can go to hell

 

[swag_tiger]

Good rant OMT

Beautiful put mate fully support it.

Thanks Fellas
I really hope I'm wrong about him. Ttere are too many conflicting stories for any of us to know, but it does seem very plausible that he has sought a switch with a long way to go on his contract after committing us to a path that the next coach may disagree with. And the poor old Wests Tigers go back to square one…. again....

Yeah mate if the nrl continues like this I will be switching off.

I used to love Rugby but at the ripe age of 18 i am starting to give up on the sport.

 

[Go_Moltzen]

Hope there is a big law firm helping the Tigers get maximum Panthers pokies dollars compensation for Ican Nearly's early release.

Brydens

Yeah, given their personal & commercial interest in the Tigers they will make sure we won't be railroaded.
As long as we are compensated & somehow manage to sign a decent coach I am happy for Ivan Cleary to drive his bus back to the mountains.

 

[westy81]

I hate to be the negative Nancy here but I don’t see us being the winners after all this

If IC leaves after this year I will lose all respect for him, I’ve always liked IC as a coach and wanted him to coach The Tigers and when he signed with the Tigers it was a dream I never thought would happen

 

[Mickeyboy]

The roster is Ivan's to build. Agreed the facilities we can't compete with, yet. Hopefully the future planning for WT's has been discussed over the dinner table.