Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

What if when Ivan let MWZ go to Penrith next year he was really signing him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphNpqKpKc4
 
on Sunday there will be an article on how it's been a tough week for the tigers being flogged by Raiders and Cleary leaving
 
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Thanks SG.

Regardless of your source I think you describe the situation pretty accurately. West’s finally have some power and look like they are in a mindset to use it. A few chicken littles around these parts today.
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No one knows what Ivan will do other than him. Everyone is guessing. Even me. All I’m saying is that tigers have leverage if Ivan requests a release. So won’t be left high and dry. My gut feeling know what I know about the man and my minor dealings with him is that he’s a stand up guy and would be a complete backflip on his character if he requested to leave 12 months into this. Naturally you get an offer you look at it. Everyone would.
 
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Lets start with swapping Maloney for Reynolds with a Kikau on the side and we can open negotiations.
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Tigers 4 weeks ago offered Reynolds up to get Cleary here next year which makes all of this even more bizarre and out of the blue. But could of been the phone call that sparked Penrith into action
 
All this speculation could be sorted out if Cleary just showed up and said what’s happening.
Come on Ivan, confirm or deny, and shut down the rumour mill.
 
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Iam just hanging out to hear what our coach has to say about the events of today. I get the feeling he will push the line that he wants to coach Nathan and Nathan wants to stay at Penrith.

Anyway he certainly has not rushed to put his case out there. I just think for a guy who prides himself on being a straight shooter and a man of integrity that he has done his reputation some real damage.

Be interesting to see what happens tomorrow, for me I don't care if he leaves as if your coach is not 100% behind the club what hope do you have
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This is about the best summation I’ve read today - and I’ve been reading all day!!
 
If the situation is true and smoking gun is saying at it is Wests Tigers have NO leverage.

Ivan wants to leave to coach Penrith, we beat our chests say no it is not happening he’s under contract.

If we don’t let him go we have a coach who doesn’t want to be here. So in affect the leader of the football doesn’t want to be at the club which is filter down through all levels like a poison. Penrith will offer the club some half arsed tokenistic deal knowing they are the ones with power and we are screwed.

The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here. But let’s be honest from what we know of each clubs facilities, player potential and money Penrith is a stronger club.
 
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It’s also something that Gus said in his tweet that got me thinking that this may all be a storm in a teacup.
The only mistake that Cleary has made so far is that he waited two weeks too long to inform his employer of the meeting with the Panthers.
So we will wait and see ….. but to relax? I have a headache mate ..... and it’s getting worse. Can’t sleep and where is my TD?
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Clearly is staying and I will tell you why

Clearly did not make a mistake waiting two weeks he only told the CEO on Monday because he did not want him to worry after the Penrith coach was sacked if Clearly wanted to leave he would have told the CEO two weeks ago that he wanted out I have been offered jobs many times and you never ever tell the guy that you work for about it unless you want to leverage something out of him you keep your mouth shut and have a happy working environment
 
Hope there is a big law firm helping the Tigers get maximum Panthers pokies dollars compensation for Ican Nearly's early release.
 
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The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here.
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This isn't about Nathan, it's about Tim Grant, remember he left Penrith to come to the Tigers, Ivan followed, Tim goes back to Penrith, no surprise, Ivan wants to return.
 
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Gould/penrith would be loving seeing tigers fans turn on our own coach. Thats probably half the strategy…say bits and pieces to the media in a certain way, leak half truths and make a few things up, let the media run with it and watch tigers fans turn on Ivan and push him out the door.

My take is that Ivan has been told that the head coach position at Penrith is available to him if he wants it for x dollars/years etc. Ivan has informed Pascoe of this off the back of the Griffin sacking yesterday (knowing the media would link him to his son). Pascoe has made comment about the two of them having a frank discussion around the situation - eg Pascoe letting Ivan know theres no way hes leaving here under contract. Also from Pascoes comments it's pretty clear that Ivan has not asked for a release. I actually think there is nothing to worry about at all and the comments from Go and Pascoe are completely reactionary to the intense media speculation and uproar from tigers fans that happened today rather than any concern internally. Pascoes video on our website I saw as a get stuffed to gould/penrith more than anything else.

Cant knock Ivan for receiving another job offer, have faith in Ivan that he will have come to the right decision. Everything the media is saying completely contradicts the character of the man we've gotten to know over the last 2 years. Just old mate Gould back at it again - causing a stir
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Yeah pretty much how I feel, would like to hear from Cleary though. It would be bizarre for Ivan to go back to a club that fired him only a few years ago, besides the fact they don't really want him there, he's the ball and chain to keep his son there and that's it.

Besides Gould has said if they don't get the guy they are after, they have had other applications.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/08/06/phil-gould-why-anthony-griffin-had-to-go/

"We haven't made a decision on who will coach the side next year. We've already had 12 applications come in overnight from people within the game – either assistant coaches, head coaches from other clubs.

"I think we'd be a popular choice for a coach looking for a strong club with a good roster and great facilities.

"I don't think we'll have any trouble finding a coach but we just need to look after the short-term at the moment.

"We have a preferred choice at this stage but that's not to mean they'll be the one we end up with."
 
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The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here.

This isn't about Nathan, it's about Tim Grant, remember he left Penrith to come to the Tigers, Ivan followed, Tim goes back to Penrith, no surprise, Ivan wants to return.
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Gold :laughing:
 
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What a disgusting situation this scumbag has put has in. The worst possible outcome would have been having his son here, I hope that never happens. Stuff them and their dream, we backed him after Gould humiliated him, and people like me have supported some of his dodgy recruitment and selection calls only to get this.

Best case scenario for the integrity of the game is for us to keep him until Penrith invest in another coach and sack the grub the next day if he is chucking a Moses.

Next best thing, and probably better for us, is to take them to the cleaners in terms of players and cash. Just feeds back into the NRL being a grubby sport though, so I prefer we drag this out and humiliate the Clearys and Gould.

The poor players, probably the most mentally resilient bunch of good blokes who play for each other we've had since Sheens and they have to cop this. I thought Cleary sounded a bit strange saying this group might not be the group we need for success (after he assembled them), now I hope he chokes on a cooked bone like the Dog he appears to be.
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Good rant OMT
 
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The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here.

This isn't about Nathan, it's about Tim Grant, remember he left Penrith to come to the Tigers, Ivan followed, Tim goes back to Penrith, no surprise, Ivan wants to return.

Gold :laughing:
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x2 Thats the first belly laugh I've gotten out of this whole thing. Thanks
 
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If the situation is true and smoking gun is saying at it is Wests Tigers have NO leverage.

Ivan wants to leave to coach Penrith, we beat our chests say no it is not happening he’s under contract.

If we don’t let him go we have a coach who doesn’t want to be here. So in affect the leader of the football doesn’t want to be at the club which is filter down through all levels like a poison. Penrith will offer the club some half arsed tokenistic deal knowing they are the ones with power and we are screwed.

The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here. But let’s be honest from what we know of each clubs facilities, player potential and money Penrith is a stronger club.
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The leverage tigers have is he can’t coach another first grade NRL team til 2021\. The leverage is Penrith are hell bent on keeping Nathan they are trying to lure his dad there now. If Penrith don’t want to wait they will ha r to give up assets. That’s business
 
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