Ivan Cleary - THREAD..
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tiger05premier
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Well said willow
Sometimes you just have suck it up and do the job you committed to
I go away from Thursday tol sunday night every week
Not ideal but it's a job
Compassionate grounds???
That makes him look even sillier in this whole drama
I'm still not sold on all this.
Spud_Murphy
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Like I said earlier, I'll happily take Griffin off their hands, he is a good coach and he will have a point to prove after this ridiculous sacking. He's just been made the scapegoat, so Penrith can fulfill a different agenda.
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One minute I believe it but the next I don't. But am enjoying the forum since it all started. Some good laughs in this thread either way.
Risk v reward? This is either going to be a masterstroke by Gould or an absolute disaster 12 months down the track for the panthers …
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/panthers-desire-to-sign-ivan-cleary-carries-plenty-of-risks/news-story/889696356d6350e2b3eeb18451c95332
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/panthers-desire-to-sign-ivan-cleary-carries-plenty-of-risks/news-story/889696356d6350e2b3eeb18451c95332
Tweed_Tiger
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People wonder why our club is the most watched club on TV. Its because you dont just watch a football team but you get to follow one of the top rated australian TV dramas.
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We should win a logie for best TV drama!
I think a lot of people here will be eating humble pie soon
Tweed_Tiger
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I think/hope he stays and all the neutral supporters would love to the this blow up in Gould's face.
Tiger_Steve
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Based on ….....
jirskyr
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In terms of the "sports careers" comment, perhaps you are right and that is a little broad. I really meant players and head coaches, not so much support staff, commentators, administrators etc.
Rather than just make guesses, I actually pulled the data of all NSWRL/ARL/NRL head coaches. Average career for a coach (N=294) is 84 games, and yes that does include short-term appointments (e.g. in the wake of sackings), but I feel those are valid inclusions because short-term coaches are still those who don't end up making a career of it. The average also includes huge outliers like Wayne Bennett (808 games).
So the average for a head coach is 3.5 seasons of current length (24 games).
There are set to be 34 players having achieved 300 games in FG at the end of 2018\. Of the 294 coaches, only 15 have coached more than 300 FG games. Ivan Cleary sits on 291 funnily enough. Far more players have gone through the code for sure, but double the number of players have managed 300 games than coaches have, and you also need to consider the impact of injury on players that isn't a risk for coaches.
So I stand by my comment - most coaches careers are relatively short-lived and only the exceptional few can coach for decades, like the rest of us work. Maybe after you are a head coach you can get another related gig, but so too for players.
I also accept your example addition, of a coach bringing in his friends etc. I can only assume that such a scenario adds a lot of weight to a decision. By the same token, if one of your friends was offered a very lucrative job, perhaps once in a lifetime, you would think you could put aside your own needs to recognise that opportunity - an opportunity at least worth considering and not just dismissed out of hand.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like where this is heading or how it has played out, however we don't know what type of deal Clearly has been offered by Penrith. It may be enormous, "an offer he cannot refuse". Certainly the circumstances of these turn of events beg for a massive offer, what with the history, family connection, previous sacking etc. etc.
As I said, I can't think of anything Cleary can say right now that will placate people, except to turn down the Panthers offer. But I also cannot see that happening without Tigers offering a contract extension… and you would assume 99% chance of Nathan Cleary also coming over (which we cannot confirm either way just now given the November prohibition).
polskipantsless
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Doubt it, this whole thing has been handled rather terribly.
Peoples reactions are justified even if he was to come out and sign an extension.
Unfortunately it seems from the reporting of this morning's meeting between Ivan and our players that he is wanting to go, so now I'm starting to think he has played a bigger part than he's letting on.
From here on this whole farce will be a process of digestion until some other big news is picked up by the media. The press will put all sorts of slants on the whole thing and eventually some will be saying how unfair the Tigers are for making it difficult for the Panthers to reunite their favourite sons!. Gus will make sure it all turns around and they all come out looking warm and fuzzy. Compassionate Grounds!! What a crock - just once you wish that the scumbags of the world would get what they deserve (however in saying that, Moses is one that has probably got his!).
Ivan is as good as gone, just a matter of time, and what the Tigers can get out of it. The Board are already admitting defeat with their meeting agenda tonight. The sooner we find a replacement coach the better. Please not Payten - we need to keep moving forward on the path we have taken, not step back to the "jobs for the boys" era.
From here on this whole farce will be a process of digestion until some other big news is picked up by the media. The press will put all sorts of slants on the whole thing and eventually some will be saying how unfair the Tigers are for making it difficult for the Panthers to reunite their favourite sons!. Gus will make sure it all turns around and they all come out looking warm and fuzzy. Compassionate Grounds!! What a crock - just once you wish that the scumbags of the world would get what they deserve (however in saying that, Moses is one that has probably got his!).
Ivan is as good as gone, just a matter of time, and what the Tigers can get out of it. The Board are already admitting defeat with their meeting agenda tonight. The sooner we find a replacement coach the better. Please not Payten - we need to keep moving forward on the path we have taken, not step back to the "jobs for the boys" era.
smoking_gun
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Plenty of good coaches available. Seibold, Flanagan, McGuire etc the players are a must. Not negotiable. Part of this deal will be to weaken Penrith. I’d take Edwards whare and either JFH or CHN + 2-3 million in a buy out plus compensation. If they don’t want to do that then Cleary stays fulfils his contract and goes to Penrith later. Alternately if Cleary still wants out, release him on the proviso he can’t coach in any facet at an nrl club until 2021
