Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[Pablo]

IC held obvious resentment during his press conference because he had to face a room full of the vultures (media) that speculated the whole situation and dragged him through the mud

 

[TonyTiger]

Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.

Put your white jacket on and join up it at the sleeves,, you’re sounding a bit troubled.
Nobody hates Ivan but we’re not walking around with rose coloured glasses on, unlike yourself.
The forum is a vehicle for everyone to voice their own opinions, not yours.

 

[cuzzo]

This story is looking like a Tarantino film with so many perspectives on the same story. Now the Ivan version.

Ivan goes to a casual coffee with his old mate O'Neil at Penrith. Dave is shooting the breeze about the future at Penrith "Would you ever come back Ivan?" "Yeah Dave I would… but I've got this contract with the Tigers so..." "Undersood mate - flat whites on me..."

Next thing Ivan is at home playing Lego with Nathan when the news comes that Griffin has been fired. Thinks back to his coffee and concludes he better tell Go and Pascoe since I might look bad. Does so. Gets back to deciding whether Luke Garner should start or go from the bench...

Sits at home watching a lot of rubbish from reporting. Can barely concentrate on the playdough with Nathan. Go and Pascoe tell him relax we'll do the press. That doesn't solve the problem entirely. Resolves to do press conference.

This is gold 🙌

 

[Russell]

Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.

Put your white jacket on and join up it at the sleeves,, you’re sounding a bit troubled.
Nobody hates Ivan but we’re not walking around with rose coloured glasses on, unlike yourself.
The forum is a vehicle for everyone to voice their own opinions, not yours.

He was voicing HIS opinion - isn't he allowed to do that on a Forum.

OR is it only people that agree with your scenarios that are allowed to voice their opinions????

You need to get real, Ace!

 

[TonyTiger]

Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.

Put your white jacket on and join up it at the sleeves,, you’re sounding a bit troubled.
Nobody hates Ivan but we’re not walking around with rose coloured glasses on, unlike yourself.
The forum is a vehicle for everyone to voice their own opinions, not yours.

He was voicing HIS opinion - isn't he allowed to do that on a Forum.

OR is it only people that agree with your scenarios that are allowed to voice their opinions????

You need to get real, Ace!

He’s entitled to his optinion of course but if it doesn’t agree with his then you’re lumped into his ‘Ivan Hater’ category.

 

[Cairnstigers]

First article on the news today suggested again Barrett threatening to leave Manly due to resourcing. Coincidence?

Great
Let's all focus on Manly's coaching issues
Let's watch the Media circus on this story

It may go like this

Latte Trent ?
Yes with two sugars please non stired
Hey Trent I know a house that's for sale are you interested ?

Is it nice

Well it has 4 big bedrooms but you can only use 2 for now as we are not sure how to decorate the other two just yet

No I really need 4 Bedrooms and all need to be usable when I move in

Meanwhile back at Manly
Hey Lyall Trent here
I had a meeting out penrith about a 4 bedroom house thats for sale

Does it have a jacuzzi

Ahhhhhh

 

[mtd]

Congratulations to all of the Ivan Cleary haters!
Congratulations to all the Ivan Cleary haters, who are obviously trained psychologists and can read the truth behind a person's words!
If I was Nathan Cleary and I read your unfounded comments on my father, I would re-sign with Penrith, IMMEDIATELY.
By the way, if you read all of the baseless vitriol in this thread from those finding fault with Ivan not speaking earlier in the week, no wonder he put off speaking out for as long as he could! Following all of the vitriol, I would think that Ivan might find somewhere else to work, when he has completed his contract with Wests Tigers.

yes because penrith fans are also amazing humans who use nothing but logic whenmaking comments on supporters forum

 

[jirskyr]

I found it hard to gauge his true thoughts.

And there we have it, the holy treble.

"My source is Television"
"I'm not interested in logic, this is rugby league"

and now

"I found it hard to gauge his true thoughts".

You mean to tell me you couldn't figure out someone's true thoughts from a TV press-conference? What sort of rubbish mind-reader are you?

 

[Newtown]

Let's not let this week's anxiety regarding Ivan's coaching future divide our club. If Gould has desires about "divide and rule" let it occur to his club not ours.

 

[Geo]

Psychicics…

 

[Shubert]

:smiley:

This story is looking like a Tarantino film with so many perspectives on the same story. Now the Ivan version.

Ivan goes to a casual coffee with his old mate O'Neil at Penrith. Dave is shooting the breeze about the future at Penrith "Would you ever come back Ivan?" "Yeah Dave I would… but I've got this contract with the Tigers so..." "Undersood mate - flat whites on me..."

Next thing Ivan is at home playing Lego with Nathan when the news comes that Griffin has been fired. Thinks back to his coffee and concludes he better tell Go and Pascoe since I might look bad. Does so. Gets back to deciding whether Luke Garner should start or go from the bench...

Sits at home watching a lot of rubbish from reporting. Can barely concentrate on the playdough with Nathan. Go and Pascoe tell him relax we'll do the press. That doesn't solve the problem entirely. Resolves to do press conference.

This is gold 🙌

 

[hobbo]

Psychicics…

Magic 8 Ball !

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

I found it hard to gauge his true thoughts.

And there we have it, the holy treble.

"My source is Television"
"I'm not interested in logic, this is rugby league"

and now

"I found it hard to gauge his true thoughts".

You mean to tell me you couldn't figure out someone's true thoughts from a TV press-conference? What sort of rubbish mind-reader are you?

My source is television is the call of the year thus far.

I thought bbq or tomato sauce was funny but television is another level.

 

[jirskyr]

I thought the statement was read because Ivan wanted to be clear. It was obvious he has been rattled by this so probably didn’t trust himself to speak off the cuff.

What it addressed was that Ivan will be our coach until end 2020\. That he wasn’t going to break his contract.

Isn’t that enough?

It's not just about being rattled, or not being rattled, it's about not feeding into the media frenzy.

When you look at it from Ivan's perspective, no matter what interest he may or may not have with coaching Penrith again, they sacked their coach and somehow all the heat fell onto Ivan. Maybe it was a Panthers masterstroke, or maybe their reputation will suffer long-term, but despite Hook's damning interview, most journos slid off that topic and back onto what Cleary was going to do. A very Trumpian application of misdirection - the questions stopped being about why Panthers would sack their coach 4 weeks from the finals, instead being questions about why Ivan Cleary would re-join the Panthers.

Where are the stories about Penrith being a "basket case"? Where are the ongoing criticisms about Penrith sacking 2 coaches in a row before their contracts expired? What about Penrith trying to poach a rival coach under contract, all apparently under the aim of retaining their star halfback? All drowned by the juicy innuendo about Ivan and the Tigers situation. Nobody has even questioned how Gould oversaw an extension of coach, who he then sacked 1 year later, then trying to get back the coach he fired 3 years ago, plus his own 5-year extension, plus all the lies and shifting narratives he's put out this week. 2 weeks ago Gus said on air that Griffin was safe.

Then you watch the Penrith press conference last night, there wasn't a single mention of Griffin or Ciraldo's long-term role, it was just 7.5 minutes of blowing wind up Nathan Cleary's skirt. "Oh he's so composed", "glad for him to kick the FG after he missed the conversion". What about the fact they left it to the last 7 minutes to retract the lead, bombed a golden opportunity to win in regular time and are limping their way past average sides into the finals?? Penrith rallied some choice player comments during the week - Ben Hannant and Segeyaro saying they didn't like the bloke; no word of support for Griffin. He's either super unliked or he just can't match the Panthers PR machine.

Cleary made a 3-minute statement to put the story (mostly) to bed and not drive more media innuendo. He had a match 24 hours later.

If he had made it an open press conference, he would have been bogged down there for hours answer the same stupid questions over and over. He probably doesn't want to go through line by line the machinations of the week, nor should he really have to, if the final result is he stays with Tigers.

It would have given the story more and more legs and detracted from the match at hand, possibly even impacting the players more than the week might already have.

Pascoe and Go barely did anything different to Cleary - just stated the company line without much in the way of further detail. Pascoe himself made 2 video statements of almost exactly the same content - Ivan's contracted, he hasn't asked for a release, he won't be granted a release.

 

[cuzzo]

The only thing Ivan could have done better was replace the word “this” with “our” in his presser

And this could be the greatest trick the Devil ever played and the demise of one G Gould

The end

 

[cuzzo]

And mods, if I have to have..

“this is not Wayne Cousins”

The member Ivan Cleary should have the same

Peace

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I thought the statement was read because Ivan wanted to be clear. It was obvious he has been rattled by this so probably didn’t trust himself to speak off the cuff.

What it addressed was that Ivan will be our coach until end 2020\. That he wasn’t going to break his contract.

Isn’t that enough?

It's not just about being rattled, or not being rattled, it's about not feeding into the media frenzy.

When you look at it from Ivan's perspective, no matter what interest he may or may not have with coaching Penrith again, they sacked their coach and somehow all the heat fell onto Ivan. Maybe it was a Panthers masterstroke, or maybe their reputation will suffer long-term, but despite Hook's damning interview, most journos slid off that topic and back onto what Cleary was going to do. A very Trumpian application of misdirection - the questions stopped being about why Panthers would sack their coach 4 weeks from the finals, instead being questions about why Ivan Cleary would re-join the Panthers.

Where are the stories about Penrith being a "basket case"? Where are the ongoing criticisms about Penrith sacking 2 coaches in a row before their contracts expired? What about Penrith trying to poach a rival coach under contract, all apparently under the aim of retaining their star halfback? All drowned by the juicy innuendo about Ivan and the Tigers situation. Nobody has even questioned how Gould oversaw an extension of coach, who he then sacked 1 year later, then trying to get back the coach he fired 3 years ago, plus his own 5-year extension, plus all the lies and shifting narratives he's put out this week. 2 weeks ago Gus said on air that Griffin was safe.

Then you watch the Penrith press conference last night, there wasn't a single mention of Griffin or Ciraldo's long-term role, it was just 7.5 minutes of blowing wind up Nathan Cleary's skirt. "Oh he's so composed", "glad for him to kick the FG after he missed the conversion". What about the fact they left it to the last 7 minutes to retract the lead, bombed a golden opportunity to win in regular time and are limping their way past average sides into the finals?? Penrith rallied some choice player comments during the week - Ben Hannant and Segeyaro saying they didn't like the bloke; no word of support for Griffin. He's either super unliked or he just can't match the Panthers PR machine.

Cleary made a 3-minute statement to put the story (mostly) to bed and not drive more media innuendo. He had a match 24 hours later.

If he had made it an open press conference, he would have been bogged down there for hours answer the same stupid questions over and over. He probably doesn't want to go through line by line the machinations of the week, nor should he really have to, if the final result is he stays with Tigers.

It would have given the story more and more legs and detracted from the match at hand, possibly even impacting the players more than the week might already have.

Pascoe and Go barely did anything different to Cleary - just stated the company line without much in the way of further detail. Pascoe himself made 2 video statements of almost exactly the same content - Ivan's contracted, he hasn't asked for a release, he won't be granted a release.

That’s what I said (just shorter!!). He’s going to be our coach for next 2 years - end of story. After that, who knows?

If I was a betting man I’d say Nathan Cleary will sign for us by December - but it would be a small bet!!

 

[Donald_Trump]

Get rid of Cleary.

He is conniving.

So bad for our prep this week.

Raiders to put 50 on us today.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Get rid of Cleary.

He is conniving.

So bad for our prep this week.

Raiders to put 50 on us today.

We’ll be fine. I reckon we’ll win. I can see all the post match interviews with the players saying they wanted to win for him.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I thought the statement was read because Ivan wanted to be clear. It was obvious he has been rattled by this so probably didn’t trust himself to speak off the cuff.

What it addressed was that Ivan will be our coach until end 2020\. That he wasn’t going to break his contract.

Isn’t that enough?

It's not just about being rattled, or not being rattled, it's about not feeding into the media frenzy.

When you look at it from Ivan's perspective, no matter what interest he may or may not have with coaching Penrith again, they sacked their coach and somehow all the heat fell onto Ivan. Maybe it was a Panthers masterstroke, or maybe their reputation will suffer long-term, but despite Hook's damning interview, most journos slid off that topic and back onto what Cleary was going to do. A very Trumpian application of misdirection - the questions stopped being about why Panthers would sack their coach 4 weeks from the finals, instead being questions about why Ivan Cleary would re-join the Panthers.

Where are the stories about Penrith being a "basket case"? Where are the ongoing criticisms about Penrith sacking 2 coaches in a row before their contracts expired? What about Penrith trying to poach a rival coach under contract, all apparently under the aim of retaining their star halfback? All drowned by the juicy innuendo about Ivan and the Tigers situation. Nobody has even questioned how Gould oversaw an extension of coach, who he then sacked 1 year later, then trying to get back the coach he fired 3 years ago, plus his own 5-year extension, plus all the lies and shifting narratives he's put out this week. 2 weeks ago Gus said on air that Griffin was safe.

Then you watch the Penrith press conference last night, there wasn't a single mention of Griffin or Ciraldo's long-term role, it was just 7.5 minutes of blowing wind up Nathan Cleary's skirt. "Oh he's so composed", "glad for him to kick the FG after he missed the conversion". What about the fact they left it to the last 7 minutes to retract the lead, bombed a golden opportunity to win in regular time and are limping their way past average sides into the finals?? Penrith rallied some choice player comments during the week - Ben Hannant and Segeyaro saying they didn't like the bloke; no word of support for Griffin. He's either super unliked or he just can't match the Panthers PR machine.

Cleary made a 3-minute statement to put the story (mostly) to bed and not drive more media innuendo. He had a match 24 hours later.

If he had made it an open press conference, he would have been bogged down there for hours answer the same stupid questions over and over. He probably doesn't want to go through line by line the machinations of the week, nor should he really have to, if the final result is he stays with Tigers.

It would have given the story more and more legs and detracted from the match at hand, possibly even impacting the players more than the week might already have.

Pascoe and Go barely did anything different to Cleary - just stated the company line without much in the way of further detail. Pascoe himself made 2 video statements of almost exactly the same content - Ivan's contracted, he hasn't asked for a release, he won't be granted a release.

Great post Jirskyr! I'm still livid at the way Penrith and Gould have dragged us into _their_ mess and somehow got the media to focus more on _us_ than them, thereby disrupting our coach, our club, our team, our season and trying to unravel everything that has been done to re-build our club over the past 18 months!

I'd love to see this all blow up in Gould's and O'Neill's smarmy faces. I know Saints are on the big slide in form at the moment, but I would have great pleasure in seeing Penrith be the first team knocked out of the finals race. Not that I have anything against the Penrith players or Ciraldo for that matter, they're just as much caught up in the dirty politics of their management as we are. They _were_ the team I was going to support if we don't make the finals, but they can fall flat on their faces now for all I care.

Another year of failure will just highlight the ineptness of Gould in getting this 'talented' team to win a Premiership, after he has promised so much to the fans, and the blame will fall squarely on his shoulders for sacking the coach and stuffing up their season 4 weeks out from the finals.