JAC

[JC99]

Can’t believe people are so quick to give up on signing one of the best players in the world. Then they wonder why we don’t make finals.

How can these two things be related?
What people think about a potential recruit is neither here nor there to what eventually happens

People want the club to not bother signing JAC... then we will miss finals and they’ll complain about having a poor roster

Footy fans are the biggest hypocrites in the world lol. If you want the club to be successful then it makes sense to want the club to chase an Australian level player.

Of course we want WT to sign JAC. People are just wary of being strung along (ala Mitchell last year). If JAC doesn't want to come here, then we don't want to be fooled, again. I'm not saying JAC doesn't want to come here, but it truthfully it is a possibility in my mind that he might not, he could be doing what his mate did to us last year, and if so then we need to wise on as quickly as possible and pull the plug.

But yes I do agree that football fans can be huge hypocrites. Like anyone that believes in something strongly, it can be very hard to see the other side.

We can’t worry about what happens with Latrell. Big name players will always talk with multiple clubs and we won’t know if he doesn’t want to be here until he tells us he doesn’t and signs somewhere else. Until then we can’t give up

Latrell used us like a toilet. When we clued onto that he was doing that, we pulled the pin (though left the door ajar just in case). If that happens again with JAC, we just need to be prepared to pull the pin again, that's all I'm saying.

That's not giving up, that's conserving what reputation we have left after being used as a doormat.

If it goes down that path, if.

A lot people seem to think that’s what’s happening already. Contract talks take a long time especially with big name players. It seems like it’s Melbourne themselves holding us up more than anyone.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

if Nofo is smart he goes to Melbourne 2022 and plays finals and maybe even win a comp
We can't compete with money we need to fill other spots like FB and five eight and centre etc
Good luck to him if he goes, we have seen with Turdesco loyalty doesn't mean anything anymore

 

[Curaeus]

Be great if we can avoid paying overs for JAC but we badly need a marquee signing not only to improve our winning ratio but also to help attract other quality players to the club. That said, he's a winger and should get winger's money upfront. He can get extra cash if the fullback experiment pays off for both sides. We are probably NOT his first choice destination, That's likely Souths but they're either not interested or can't meet his cash demands right now. The Dogs probably can and would likely give him a fullback shot too. They're our main opposition I believe. Maybe Nofo would welcome a stint down south for a year or maybe permanently. Wasn't he talking about wanting to play finals a few weeks ago?

How many 'Fullbacks' are the Dogs going to play?

just one like us-what they've got ain't that hot!

 

[yeti]

Can’t believe people are so quick to give up on signing one of the best players in the world. Then they wonder why we don’t make finals.

Its not a matter of giving up on him. If he wants to join the club - then great. He apparently has a contract in front of him. But if he wants to stuff us around like Latrell did, and have the Tigers as a 'fall back' in case other options don't eventuate, then screw him. Move on.
The longer we muck around trying to sort out his demands, the less time we have to target other prospects.

 

[Moh]

Can’t believe people are so quick to give up on signing one of the best players in the world. Then they wonder why we don’t make finals.

How can these two things be related?
What people think about a potential recruit is neither here nor there to what eventually happens

People want the club to not bother signing JAC... then we will miss finals and they’ll complain about having a poor roster

Footy fans are the biggest hypocrites in the world lol. If you want the club to be successful then it makes sense to want the club to chase an Australian level player.

Of course us fans want JAC here.

But JAC and Nofo are COMPLETELY different players.

One starts off your sets and is a tackle breaking machine, the other is just speed. BOTH have their place in a team, and we have every right to fight to have both.

Gaining JAC and losing Nofo is NOT a huge upgrade, without additional signings.

If we can get someone to replace Nofo on top of JAC, then it's a different story that may be more acceptable.

 

[Cairnstigers]

yes it will be wonderful if we miss JAC and then Nofo rings up Storm for 2022 and knows they are keen and signs ... then we are left with nothing... #gottalovethetiges

That's what I am thinking

 

[JC99]

Can’t believe people are so quick to give up on signing one of the best players in the world. Then they wonder why we don’t make finals.

Its not a matter of giving up on him. If he wants to join the club - then great. He apparently has a contract in front of him. But if he wants to stuff us around like Latrell did, and have the Tigers as a 'fall back' in case other options don't eventuate, then screw him. Move on.
The longer we muck around trying to sort out his demands, the less time we have to target other prospects.

Even if we are a back up option it’s better than having 0 chance. We need to take top quality players no matter how we get them.

If there was some other top level player we could chase then sure don’t wait around for JAC but at the moment there’s not. We can still look at cheaper options while chasing JAC

 

[tony soprano]

What would you guys think about "loaning" Nofoaluma for 2021 to Melbourne for JAC? This way if he is still on our payroll, we can claim the concession down the track, Nofoaluma will definitely come back an even better player and we get JAC

Nofo can go there full-time for JAC. They're not in the same class.

The only people who think Nofo is in the same galaxy as JAC are WT supporters.

It's not about comparing them, it's wanting both. No point having JAC on one wing and a Jennings on the other. A combination of Nofo and JAC is what we want, and if we can pull it off like that that's what we should be aiming for.

Good on our management.

And RE Talau, you'll probably be the same people complaining about why we let him go in a few years ala Paps. He is VERY young and inexperienced, if the Storm really do want him (and its just a rumour as far as I know) that says a lot about him and his potential.

Again, if we can get JAC without caving in and giving someone in return - good management.

Let it play out.

Storm will give in they don't want a disgruntled JAC next year

What makes you think that? I think the exact opposite. Sorry JAC couldn’t find a replacement, you’ll have to stay and honour your contract.

It's what a decent club should do. Why would they budge? Exactly my feelings about us with Matterson, and Parra then made the smart decision and didn't release our prop to us early either. Why would you? They have contracts. Just because we cave in again and again, doesn't mean other clubs are dumb enough to do so.

What makes you think Melbourne is a decent club? That’s not what I would call Melbourne.

Decent: of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

Yep, they smash that out of the water.

In the press conference with Bellamy they mentioned that this is 5 top 2 finishes in a row.

Outstanding! But people wanting to deride their achievements due to cap cheating years ago don't see it. But turn an eye to our cap cheating . funny

Let's get this straight - we did not cap cheat.

Everybody new what we were doing, we were not hiding anything - it was widely reported.

We did however not advise the NRL. It was NOT cheating.

Poor form to suggest we were in my opinion.

Aahhh, we did.

Of course we did. Hence the penalty and the de-registration of JP.

I disagree, I say we did not cheat. We made a bad administration error, which the NRL said could have been manipulated, hence was against their rules, hence the penalty.

It could have been used to cheat, hence why they penalised us, but there was no proof I ever read that it was us actually cheating and getting an advantage from it, or trying to get an advantage from it.

By the letter of the (NRL) law did we cheat, yes. By the definition of the word, most definitely not. We stood to gain no benefit whatsoever. I'd hesitate to use the word cheat too, even when describing the NRL's perspective. Rather we simply overlooked the process and did the wrong thing.

If there is no advantage or gain to any party it would be very difficult to call it cheating. An error yes, but cheating no.

An inducement to leave is an advantage, he also came back 18 months later, so someone could argue the inducment was to return to the club.

Fair enough but really all they did was they failed to fill out form 1534J Section 3 Subsection 4. It was an error.

If for example the Roosters were in the same situation and offered a player on $950k a future job, that they didn't tell the NRL about, so he would leave, and then 18 months later he came back on a much reduced contract would you be ok with that?

I'm not saying that was what we were intending to do but from the outside looking in it can be argued that is how it appears and would set a precedence that other teams could take advantage of.

Everyone knew, they were not trying to hide it. The NRL, Turdberg in particular, got their noses out of joint because we didn’t file the correct paperwork. It was a ridiculous fine/punishment for a very minor error. No one was trying to cheat anyone.

There is a reason the NRL wants to know as it is an area to be exploited. The rules are simple to follow, we didn't follow them and then we asked for compensation for Farah being disruptive despite the fact we had an offer for him to return.

It was well known, they could have just picked up the phone an sorted it out. But no they had to take the look at us, we’re in charge and we will tell you what to do and officiate to show you who’s boss approach. It was a ridiculous response to a very minor error.

I don't think offering a guy a job as an incentive to leave is a minor issue, especially when that player returns to play 18 months later. Just like Burgess shouldn't be allowed to return to Souths next year.

Well that we will disagree then because it was well known what was offered, it wasn’t hidden. Like I said they could have sorted it out with a phone call but instead the NRL took the ridiculous adversarial approach.

Not until we applied for compensation for Farah being disruptive. I'm ok if you disagree but I can understand why we were penalized.

What’s the difference two Souths players being medically retired them come back playing ??,

They weren't actually medically retired, but I do not believe that Burgess should be allowed to play for Souths next year.

Medical retired and come back does not make sense

 

[Russell]

JAC is a legit current Origin / Kangaroo.

In our history, we have never been able to land a legit / current Origin player / current Kangaroo.

He will / would have made a massive difference and given us legit X factor.

These things are why we don't succeed. You have to get these deals done when they present themselves...

At what cost

A current SOO and Kangaroo rep? Sometimes it seems forum members are paying for his contract out of their own pockets! Compare his value to the money wasted on Joey Leilua.

Just how much do you think he is worth $

What would you pay $ to get him here

What money do we have to spend ?

Are you willing to sacrifice our best player for him

We should not be throwing the kitchen sink at him to get him here
If he fails at fullback would you be paying fullback money for a winger

Do you have any idea, or have facts on what our offer is
For all you know we have a $800,000 offer on the table for an un proven fullback
And you want to give up Nofoaluma as well ?

It seems the issue is the loan of a player, if the comments attributed to the Storm CEO's are accurate. Personally, I would allow Nofoaluma to go if he wanted that or Talau. JAC is a SOO and Kangaroo rep, Nofoaluma is not. That is a definite upgrade and since the Storm would pick up his tab a saving because his replacement would be cheaper for us.. Talau would learn a lot in a year under Bellamy.

Notional backline

Staines
Kepaoa
Momorovski
Doueihi
JAC
Brooks
Madden

THRASHING!!!!

 

[Sart0ri]

Let's keep Nofo who has had one good year and knock back JAC a proven SOO and Australian winger ...God help this club

Its not a matter of swapping one player for another. JAC and Nofo will be on different salaries next year, we are trying to get a 2nd good winger not upgrade one and Storm are trying to get us to pay for JAC twice.

If we sign JAC, we pay him 500-600k. JAC has a contract with Storm that he want's to dissolve. If JAC want's to give $200k of next years salary to the Storm as a way to buy out his contract I am fine with that, it is between JAC and the Storm.

 

[hobbo1]

yes it will be wonderful if we miss JAC and then Nofo rings up Storm for 2022 and knows they are keen and signs ... then we are left with nothing... #gottalovethetiges

That’s how we roll ...
Nofo might Love this club but I reckon he’s had enough..

He's had enough ....? Of what?

Being a loser , not making the finals , not being in contention for rep duties .
Agreed though he has to take a look in the mirror.

 

[tigerbalm]

Melbourne really schooling us on how to negotiate.

By picking Noffa they are putting wests in a position that they would most likely say no. Ultimately Melbourne want to keep JAC so they can now go back to JAC and say we tried but your staying put for another year BUT, you can stay on in Sydney every second week for a few extra days or something along those lines. Well played.

 

[Bones]

Melbourne really schooling us on how to negotiate.

By picking Noffa they are putting wests in a position that they would most likely say no. Ultimately Melbourne want to keep JAC so they can now go back to JAC and say we tried but your staying put for another year BUT, you can stay on in Sydney every second week for a few extra days or something along those lines. Well played.

Let’s wait and see the end result. I remember us talking a big game last year with Matterson and it all came to nothing. I expect this will end much the same. The longer it goes on the more Melbourne lose their leverage.

 

[Tigerlily]

So, the Storm want an outside back as some form of compensation for Addo-Carr breaking his contract early. This is the perfect opportunity to get rid of Joey Leilua for 12mths - like for like and all that.😏

 

[NT_Tiger]

So, the Storm want an outside back as some form of compensation for Addo-Carr breaking his contract early. This is the perfect opportunity to get rid of Joey Leilua for 12mths - like for like and all that.😏

Yeah he's a speedster

 

[Cairnstigers]

Can’t believe people are so quick to give up on signing one of the best players in the world. Then they wonder why we don’t make finals.

How can these two things be related?
What people think about a potential recruit is neither here nor there to what eventually happens

People want the club to not bother signing JAC... then we will miss finals and they’ll complain about having a poor roster

Footy fans are the biggest hypocrites in the world lol. If you want the club to be successful then it makes sense to want the club to chase an Australian level player.

Chase yes
Cave in and give them way to much coin no
Addo-Carr should sign a contract based on incentives
He needs to earn his coin
He is a winger and should be paid top $ for a winger
If he transitions to a full time fullback then of course he should receive an upgrade
If he thinks he is good enough for fullback money, Prove it 1st
Earn it Josh because you ain't getting it handed to you on a plate
Prove to us all that you are capable of becoming an elite fullback and then you will earn your coin

Think of it as a deposit to get started on the job
Complete the job at task in a tradesmen like manner with the highest possible standards and you will receive an upgraded contract

There is nothing wrong with that scenario
If he cant sign a contract like that then he has no faith in his own ability
So why the hell should we
We have done our dough to many times to let that happen again
We must take the hard stance and if we need to we move on

 

[hobbo1]

So, the Storm want an outside back as some form of compensation for Addo-Carr breaking his contract early. This is the perfect opportunity to get rid of Joey Leilua for 12mths - like for like and all that.😏

If he slimmed down and got cornrows i don’t see an I issue 😆

 

[bathursttiger1]

Can’t believe people are so quick to give up on signing one of the best players in the world. Then they wonder why we don’t make finals.

How can these two things be related?
What people think about a potential recruit is neither here nor there to what eventually happens

People want the club to not bother signing JAC... then we will miss finals and they’ll complain about having a poor roster

Footy fans are the biggest hypocrites in the world lol. If you want the club to be successful then it makes sense to want the club to chase an Australian level player.

Chase yes
Cave in and give them way to much coin no
Addo-Carr should sign a contract based on incentives
He needs to earn his coin
He is a winger and should be paid top $ for a winger
If he transitions to a full time fullback then of course he should receive an upgrade
If he thinks he is good enough for fullback money, Prove it 1st
Earn it Josh because you ain't getting it handed to you on a plate
Prove to us all that you are capable of becoming an elite fullback and then you will earn your coin

Think of it as a deposit to get started on the job
Complete the job at task in a tradesmen like manner with the highest possible standards and you will receive an upgraded contract

There is nothing wrong with that scenario
If he cant sign a contract like that then he has no faith in his own ability
So why the hell should we
We have done our dough to many times to let that happen again
We must take the hard stance and if we need to we move on

I read somewhere that he was going to sign on for wingers $ and if he played 50% of his games at Fullback he would be paid extra $'s.