JAC

[JC99]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

The club was almost at poverty level when it signed Jason Taylor. There was hardly any choice available. The we thought we had a winner in Cleary, sure. He only made our situation much worse.

The thing with Taylor, I went to the member information session he gave and he spoke well. He identified our weaknesses and spoke about fixing them. He was spot on with what we needed to fix, he just didn't have the ability or the players didn't have the faith in him to allow him address those areas. That is probably why he makes a very good assistant coach and an extremely poor head coach.

Plenty of guys like that Barrett is probably one unless he works miracles at bulldogs. Being the main guy to look after a squad of 30 players most of them young for a whole year or more is not easy especially if you aren’t winning

Exactly mate, I had the opportunity to talk about footy with Barrett as well. He is incredibly knowledgeable and really knows his stuff, but agree he very well could be another that is a great assistant but doesn't have the right temperament and skills to be the head guy. The head coach nowadays is a very complicated job and involves getting a big group of people believing in and implementing your ideas. Some people just aren't suited to that hierarchical structure that an NRL club has become.

Even Fittler, was awful as an NRL coach but he’s really good at getting guys mentally prepared for origin and getting them in the right head space. Was good coaching Lebanon too. He’s weird and his tactics won’t work over a whole season but for 3-4 games where players are in a camp he’s good for them

 

[cochise]

JAC clocked 10.6 seconds over 100 metres at origin camp. He must be one of the fastest ever to play in the NRL.

Paps got 11.02 in comparison

Very quick indeed. Impressive. A bit surprised that Paps was slower.

Probably just because he’s shorter to be honest. JAC has big long legs that really get him moving

It would be interesting to see what the difference is over 20-40 metres, that really is the important distance in a game.

 

[avocadoontoast]

JAC clocked 10.6 seconds over 100 metres at origin camp. He must be one of the fastest ever to play in the NRL.

Paps got 11.02 in comparison

Very quick indeed. Impressive. A bit surprised that Paps was slower.

Probably just because he’s shorter to be honest. JAC has big long legs that really get him moving

they're pretty similar heights. there's only 1 or 2 cm in it i think.

 

[cochise]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

The club was almost at poverty level when it signed Jason Taylor. There was hardly any choice available. The we thought we had a winner in Cleary, sure. He only made our situation much worse.

The thing with Taylor, I went to the member information session he gave and he spoke well. He identified our weaknesses and spoke about fixing them. He was spot on with what we needed to fix, he just didn't have the ability or the players didn't have the faith in him to allow him address those areas. That is probably why he makes a very good assistant coach and an extremely poor head coach.

Plenty of guys like that Barrett is probably one unless he works miracles at bulldogs. Being the main guy to look after a squad of 30 players most of them young for a whole year or more is not easy especially if you aren’t winning

Exactly mate, I had the opportunity to talk about footy with Barrett as well. He is incredibly knowledgeable and really knows his stuff, but agree he very well could be another that is a great assistant but doesn't have the right temperament and skills to be the head guy. The head coach nowadays is a very complicated job and involves getting a big group of people believing in and implementing your ideas. Some people just aren't suited to that hierarchical structure that an NRL club has become.

Even Fittler, was awful as an NRL coach but he’s really good at getting guys mentally prepared for origin and getting them in the right head space. Was good coaching Lebanon too. He’s weird and his tactics won’t work over a whole season but for 3-4 games where players are in a camp he’s good for them

Yeah, with Fittler I can see why he is more suited as an Origin coach compared to a club coach. I've only met him once and he is a very warm and engaging guy, but when you listen to him speak his knowledge about the game is not great, he is not good at breaking down plays and games.

He is a good motivator and gets all the boys together for the camp but he has surrounded himself with Alexander and Johns who are both really strong tactically.

 

[The_Patriot]

Reading the latest herald article.

Storm still want Talau or Nofo. Tigers won’t budge, unlikely to get JAC as he wants the storm to part on good terms so no swap no deal

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/everyone-knows-what-i-want-fox-keen-on-sydney-coy-about-tigers-20201102-p56asm.html

Who cares? Keep Nofa and Talau and let JAC go elsewhere. No big deal, in my opinion.

Why would we make this trade. We'd be going backwards and it would highlight a terrible culture at the club.

I agree.

For a quality half back yes but for a winger absolutely not.

This is one thing the club has got right!

 

[Russell]

I have to say that I deadset love my forum brothers and sisters,BUT some just get so wrapped up in a rumour or speculative suggestion that they almost hate anything negative said about said rumour or almost lose sleep over it....
Now let TT tell you how this works...JAC is part of the indigenous brotherhood who happen to be part of Bennetts little kingdom,LM,Walker etc,they dont sing the anthem,they are a part of the resurgence of the hard done by ancestors that we have said sorry to..Ever since the shooting incidence at the farm in the North of NSW which JAC was apart of,their little family has got stronger and JAC misses being with them...Now this is where the manager comes in and says,dont worry Josh I will get you to Souths with your buddies,we just have to get around your contract with the Storm...
Compassionate grounds for family,which family doesnt get a mention because its Bennetts family he wants to join...
Bennett starts shopping around Roberts,Allen, Knight and whoever so we can have Joshy with his brothers...the manager suckers the WTs because he is good at that and gets a HOA going just to excite everyone that doesnt know better...therein is where TT could smell the dirty rat,same as LM..WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN LM HE WONT BE COMING HERE says the old coot known as Bennett....didnt surprise me one bit and I said a long time ago in this thread dont get your hopes up for JAC he left here on not so good terms contary to peoples thoughts...the I love the Tigers foray is a myth,now Im proven right....


Most of you should have woken up when he said after the grand final.."I could stay with Melb for ONE more year."..the family all of a sudden didnt need him as quickly as expected...he realised Bennett needed to shift the deck chairs and needed more time...houdini had nothing on Bennett the greatest magician of all time and the NRL hasnt woke up to him or Rusty yet...and never will apparently...

Well the most realistic appraisal of the situation so far in 293 pages. Well said TT.

I think it is time to say "Hit the Road JAC" - now that he is denying saying he DID NOT sign a HOA it is all over.

Now who can we sign that wants to come here and will do us some good.....

 

[The_Patriot]

Something i feel may be under valued in all of the JAC smoke and mirrors is Wayne Bennet being the QLD coach.

If he was to commit to Souths before this Origin game the media would go to town on him facing Bennett in this series. it would be a total distraction and media frenzy.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

 

[The_Patriot]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed

Anyone in management that agreed to signing JT as our coach should be blamed. IMO after Potter, had we recruited the right coach we possibly retain a number of key players and attract others for what may have been a successful period.

This JAC situation is not a management issue, reports are they tabled an offer that gives JAC the option to play in the 1. If he signs for the rabbits and plays on the wing then so be it. Doesn’t say much about JAC.

Even if we do sign him, I say we are still screwed until we complete the roster. Even with JAC I don’t think we are top 8 team next year. Not while so much cap space is tied up with 3 non performing players. Thanks to a coach I thought was going to finally turn the club around.

Best contract so far this offseason has been to extend Madge. That at least shows players we have stability and a premiership winning coach.

We need a better media manager as well. We need to get the rags talking us up not down.

The club was almost at poverty level when it signed Jason Taylor. There was hardly any choice available. The we thought we had a winner in Cleary, sure. He only made our situation much worse.

The thing with Taylor, I went to the member information session he gave and he spoke well. He identified our weaknesses and spoke about fixing them. He was spot on with what we needed to fix, he just didn't have the ability or the players didn't have the faith in him to allow him address those areas. That is probably why he makes a very good assistant coach and an extremely poor head coach.

Spot on.

 

[Russell]

The cumulative impact of losing Koroibete, Simona, JAC has been underestimated. Imagine a WTs' backline with those three players present. There us no substitute for genuine pace and the ability to finish. Any club would suffer from these losses.

Recruitment at its worst. Just one of them stayed would be good. Except simona imo he shouldn’t be talked about as a loss

Simona should not be talked about period... just an absolute LOWLIFE.

 

[Geo]

JAC clocked 10.6 seconds over 100 metres at origin camp. He must be one of the fastest ever to play in the NRL.

Paps got 11.02 in comparison

Very quick indeed. Impressive. A bit surprised that Paps was slower.

Doesn't Papenhuyzen have a calf injury that ruled him out..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

If Melbourne wanted Lucy or Doueihi, you'd let them go for a winger?

They want an outside back. I wouldn’t be against giving them Doueihi, it would be a massive upgrade.

You are blinded by the need for a Marquee player - unfortunately JAC is not Marquee.

He is just a fast winger - that how it's playing out, doesn't want to come here.

You've gone off your head if you would trade AD.

If we accept your case, there should be no issue trading Nofoaluma? He had his best year in attack at the Club and didn't. make the SOO team. JAC made SOO, will be a Kangaroo again and was instrumental in the Storms" premiership. Clearly to me an upgrade.

 

[Newtown]

I have to say that I deadset love my forum brothers and sisters,BUT some just get so wrapped up in a rumour or speculative suggestion that they almost hate anything negative said about said rumour or almost lose sleep over it....
Now let TT tell you how this works...JAC is part of the indigenous brotherhood who happen to be part of Bennetts little kingdom,LM,Walker etc,they dont sing the anthem,they are a part of the resurgence of the hard done by ancestors that we have said sorry to..Ever since the shooting incidence at the farm in the North of NSW which JAC was apart of,their little family has got stronger and JAC misses being with them...Now this is where the manager comes in and says,dont worry Josh I will get you to Souths with your buddies,we just have to get around your contract with the Storm...
Compassionate grounds for family,which family doesnt get a mention because its Bennetts family he wants to join...
Bennett starts shopping around Roberts,Allen, Knight and whoever so we can have Joshy with his brothers...the manager suckers the WTs because he is good at that and gets a HOA going just to excite everyone that doesnt know better...therein is where TT could smell the dirty rat,same as LM..WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN LM HE WONT BE COMING HERE says the old coot known as Bennett....didnt surprise me one bit and I said a long time ago in this thread dont get your hopes up for JAC he left here on not so good terms contary to peoples thoughts...the I love the Tigers foray is a myth,now Im proven right....


Most of you should have woken up when he said after the grand final.."I could stay with Melb for ONE more year."..the family all of a sudden didnt need him as quickly as expected...he realised Bennett needed to shift the deck chairs and needed more time...houdini had nothing on Bennett the greatest magician of all time and the NRL hasnt woke up to him or Rusty yet...and never will apparently...

Well the most realistic appraisal of the situation so far in 293 pages. Well said TT.

I think it is time to say "Hit the Road JAC" - now that he is denying saying he DID NOT sign a HOA it is all over.

Now who can we sign that wants to come here and will do us some good.....

There is no denying that he has orchestrated all with the knowledge that Bennett would make sure that he would be accommodated at Souths one way or another.

 

[Newtown]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

If he is signing with another club, say Souths, who are Melbourne getting in return, Roberts?

 

[JC99]

JAC clocked 10.6 seconds over 100 metres at origin camp. He must be one of the fastest ever to play in the NRL.

Paps got 11.02 in comparison

Very quick indeed. Impressive. A bit surprised that Paps was slower.

Probably just because he’s shorter to be honest. JAC has big long legs that really get him moving

they're pretty similar heights. there's only 1 or 2 cm in it i think.

Really? Paps seems a lot shorter. He does put his head down when he runs though, JAC has more of a sprinter type of run long strides and upright

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

If he is signing with another club, say Souths, who are Melbourne getting in return, Roberts?

I don't know but my issue is JAC knows the Storm want a like for like trade. I have no issue with this requirement. The Storm are one of the big players. We want one of the guns, imo let's trade.

 

[cochise]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

If he is signing with another club, say Souths, who are Melbourne getting in return, Roberts?

I don't know but my issue is JAC knows the Storm want a like for like trade. I have no issue with this requirement. The Storm are one of the big players. We want one of the guns, imo let's trade.

Lets not lol

 

[JC99]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

They’re praying he gets released anyway. Genius negotiation tactic from our club ?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

If he is signing with another club, say Souths, who are Melbourne getting in return, Roberts?

I don't know but my issue is JAC knows the Storm want a like for like trade. I have no issue with this requirement. The Storm are one of the big players. We want one of the guns, imo let's trade.

Lets not lol

Ok, we know where you stand?

I want Talau to stay so no trading him.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

They’re praying he gets released anyway. Genius negotiation tactic from our club ?

Why progress matters this far then?