JAC

[pawsandclaws1]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Is that Qld humour?

Some of the names were ridiculous ... thought I might as well drop it to a new low Paws ....did Qld win last night ????

Your names were ridiculous within context. You seem to have that knack

 

[happy_tiger]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Lyou must be drinking...Ross Conlon couldn’t tear a paper bag (unless he was kicking for goal)

Drinking ...do I have something to celebrate ....as I said to Paws the names being dropped were ridiculous

 

[weststigerman]

Are we talking about signing JAC or are we now signing players from the 70s?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Lyou must be drinking...Ross Conlon couldn’t tear a paper bag (unless he was kicking for goal)

Drinking ...do I have something to celebrate ....as I said to Paws the names being dropped were ridiculous

Conlon was a great kicker. Good player as well.

 

[happy_tiger]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Lyou must be drinking...Ross Conlon couldn’t tear a paper bag (unless he was kicking for goal)

Drinking ...do I have something to celebrate ....as I said to Paws the names being dropped were ridiculous

Conlon was a great kicker. Good player as well.

Great kicker .....pretty good player

 

[hobbo1]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Lyou must be drinking...Ross Conlon couldn’t tear a paper bag (unless he was kicking for goal)

Drinking ...do I have something to celebrate ....as I said to Paws the names being dropped were ridiculous

Conlon was a great kicker. Good player as well.

Great kicker .....pretty good player

Nuffie who could kick goals

 

[happy_tiger]

Are we talking about signing JAC or are we now signing players from the 70s?

If people are coming on this thread expecting to read about JAC signing ..think again ...end of the SOO series ...patience

 

[pawsandclaws1]

JAC was very good for the blues. What a wonderful player he is. Great anticipation. Always looking to make the most of what limited opportunities presented. Always looking to create an opportunity.

Was easily their best outside back. One of the best for NSW overall really. Showed he’s more than ‘just speed’ with his little chip and chase too (even though he’s showed plenty of that this season)


I thought Addo-Carr ‘s defence was a stand out. I can see him taking his game to another level as a FB and pressuring Tedesco for his rep job.

It’s something that’s improved massively being at Melbourne. His decision making in defence is very Good and he made some real solid contact. Attack wise he’ll kill it at fullback, it’ll just come down to organising the defensive line and his positioning

He played well last night and switching to the right only reinforced his stature in the game.

Fitter made shocking decisions to play two players in the centres who don't play club football in that position.

 

[happy_tiger]

JAC was very good for the blues. What a wonderful player he is. Great anticipation. Always looking to make the most of what limited opportunities presented. Always looking to create an opportunity.

Was easily their best outside back. One of the best for NSW overall really. Showed he’s more than ‘just speed’ with his little chip and chase too (even though he’s showed plenty of that this season)


I thought Addo-Carr ‘s defence was a stand out. I can see him taking his game to another level as a FB and pressuring Tedesco for his rep job.

It’s something that’s improved massively being at Melbourne. His decision making in defence is very Good and he made some real solid contact. Attack wise he’ll kill it at fullback, it’ll just come down to organising the defensive line and his positioning

He played well last night and switching to the right only reinforced his stature in the game.

Fitter made shocking decisions to play two players in the centres who don't play club football in that position.

Did the same thing last series and Fittler was thought to be the Messiah ....lol

 

[Russell]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable

You forget, these players were far better athletes than Nofoaluma. All tall, all lightning quick and knowing how to read defence. These are capabilities Nofoaluma doesn't have in his kit bag. Remember there were no DVDs to tell you what to do, no robotic wingers,

I don’t forget at all . The reality is if you went into any of these clubs and had a look at all the metrics that would quantify who was a superior athlete , the difference between any athletic 70s player and 1 from current a NRL squad wouldn’t even be close . From strength to speed to agility to vertical leap , lateral movement . The only thing that may be close is sprint speed over 100m . But.most clubs don’t even look to develop that. It’s about over 10m and 40m.

Yes there were no modern training methods. Many drank and smoked on game day or at half time. But, the players I mentioned were superior athletes. Irvine was one of the finest of all time. His name lives on, see if Nofoaluma's does in 30 years.

That’s got nothing to do with anything . It’s basic science and evolution of sport . But yea a fast player from the 50s and 60s is a superior athlete to today , because he ran faster than everyone.

The eye test shows everything . Like I said watch games from 70s 80s 90s 00s 10s to day and you will notice the evolution of the athlete .
Nofoaluma is a superior athlete to any previous generation , mainly because he’s from the current generation and benefits from that .
All the rest is noise, rubbish and nostalgia , not bearing The remotest resemblance of fact .

Irvine, Gasnier, Langlands, Boustead, Corowa, Etinghausen all backs who will be remembered as being outstanding. All superior athletes and footballers.. There is no shame in it, it is reality.

I don’t understand what’s so hard about the fact , that the greatest athletes of all time , if your put them in a time machine , and had them compete today , would get absolutely hammered . Not because they’re not amazing freaks of nature , but because the kids today eat ,sleep , training and sports science .
Eg. The 1500m swim . Kieran Perkins was so good nobody would get anywhere near his 14. 49 I think was the time . Then grant hacket comes along and swims a 14.35 or something like that.
It was unheard of . Now in today’s racing if your not swimming 14.35 as a base time , you’re probably not even making the final .
It is the evolution of sport . I shouldn’t have had to explain this .
It seems fairly obvious to me .

You can't pull Ken Irvine, Reg Gasnier etc. out of the past put them in 2020 and say they would get creamed.

In your hypothetical scenario (which we all know is extreme daydreaming), if you were realistic in your daydream you would have to have the past players train like present players or present players working in a real job and only training two nights a week.

NOW..... if you did that I'd be with rare exceptions going for the "Old Guys."

What do you think would happen if you put a T-Rex in Martin Place this arvo? I think evolution would get a shake up right there.

 

[diedpretty]

Are we talking about signing JAC or are we now signing players from the 70s?

I'd take Peter Dimond over JAC.

 

[happy_tiger]

Are we talking about signing JAC or are we now signing players from the 70s?


I'd take Peter Dimond over JAC.

I'll up you and say Billy Slater

 

[jadtiger]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Lyou must be drinking...Ross Conlon couldn’t tear a paper bag (unless he was kicking for goal)

Drinking ...do I have something to celebrate ....as I said to Paws the names being dropped were ridiculous

Conlon was a great kicker. Good player as well.

Great kicker .....pretty good player

Nuffie who could kick goals

Mate that is very unfair he was a good player before his hip injury and was still above average after.We (Balmain) only had him after his injury the dogs got the best out of him

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He might as well make up his mind and settle his future today. It’s not like this Origin series matters.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Are we talking about signing JAC or are we now signing players from the 70s?


I'd take Peter Dimond over JAC.

I would like to have both.

 

[BAGNF05]

He might as well make up his mind and settle his future today. It’s not like this Origin series matters.

Currently being paid by Storm, our offer is probably a fixed amount and good until pre-season starts (if not longer). He’d be silly not to cop 2 pay cheques for as long as possible.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable

You forget, these players were far better athletes than Nofoaluma. All tall, all lightning quick and knowing how to read defence. These are capabilities Nofoaluma doesn't have in his kit bag. Remember there were no DVDs to tell you what to do, no robotic wingers,

I don’t forget at all . The reality is if you went into any of these clubs and had a look at all the metrics that would quantify who was a superior athlete , the difference between any athletic 70s player and 1 from current a NRL squad wouldn’t even be close . From strength to speed to agility to vertical leap , lateral movement . The only thing that may be close is sprint speed over 100m . But.most clubs don’t even look to develop that. It’s about over 10m and 40m.

Yes there were no modern training methods. Many drank and smoked on game day or at half time. But, the players I mentioned were superior athletes. Irvine was one of the finest of all time. His name lives on, see if Nofoaluma's does in 30 years.

That’s got nothing to do with anything . It’s basic science and evolution of sport . But yea a fast player from the 50s and 60s is a superior athlete to today , because he ran faster than everyone.

The eye test shows everything . Like I said watch games from 70s 80s 90s 00s 10s to day and you will notice the evolution of the athlete .
Nofoaluma is a superior athlete to any previous generation , mainly because he’s from the current generation and benefits from that .
All the rest is noise, rubbish and nostalgia , not bearing The remotest resemblance of fact .

Irvine, Gasnier, Langlands, Boustead, Corowa, Etinghausen all backs who will be remembered as being outstanding. All superior athletes and footballers.. There is no shame in it, it is reality.

I don’t understand what’s so hard about the fact , that the greatest athletes of all time , if your put them in a time machine , and had them compete today , would get absolutely hammered . Not because they’re not amazing freaks of nature , but because the kids today eat ,sleep , training and sports science .
Eg. The 1500m swim . Kieran Perkins was so good nobody would get anywhere near his 14. 49 I think was the time . Then grant hacket comes along and swims a 14.35 or something like that.
It was unheard of . Now in today’s racing if your not swimming 14.35 as a base time , you’re probably not even making the final .
It is the evolution of sport . I shouldn’t have had to explain this .
It seems fairly obvious to me .

You can't pull Ken Irvine, Reg Gasnier etc. out of the past put them in 2020 as say they would get creamed.

In your hypothetical scenario (which we all know is extreme daydreaming), if you were realistic in your daydream you would have to have the past players train like present players or present players working in a real job and only training two nights a week.

NOW..... if you did that I'd be with rare exceptions going for the "Old Guys."

What do you think would happen if you put a T-Rex in Martin Place this arvo? I think evolution would get a shake up right there.

Mate your over thinking it . It’s a simple equation “due to training techniques and evolution of sports science , todays players are better athletes “.
That’s it . There’s no nuance . It’s a statement based in fact . There’s multiple articles , documentaries , studies proving this .
The athletes of today are far superior , and it’s not even close

 

[Deleted member 3518]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

You have gone way beyond the point I was trying to make !

I wasn't talking about the skills, size and fitness of the players today. I agree that the old timers wouldn't cope with the modern game. That's not the issue. I was simply talking about the pace of the wingers of the old timers.

For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you .

Not true about nostalgia. We don't know if they are faster over shorter distances as you claim. We can; however, make an objective comparison with regard to pace over a longer distance.

Someone posted that JAC had clocked 10.6 sec and Paps 11.1 sec over a 100 metres in SOO training. They are two of the fastest in the NRL currently.

I was simply making the point that Irvine and Cleary, who played 60 years ago, were faster. That's all. The both ran 100 yards in 9.3 seconds (as part time footballers). That would translate to around 10.17 seconds for 100 metres.

Ten years ago someone organised a sprint for Rugby players observed by Usain Bolt. Lachie Turner from the Waratahs won the sprint in 11.1 seconds, edging out Jarryd Hayne and John Grant from Rugby. The rest of the field from the NRL were miles behind.

We are talking objective measurements here, not nostalgia. It is an objective fact that the fastest players playing for Australia 60 years ago (Irvine and Cleary both played on the wing for Australia) are faster than the players playing today.

Hang on , back up. You said Irvine was a superior athlete . And it’s just not true . He’s a faster runner , sure , but when you equate all the dynamics that make up and quantify what an athlete is , that’s like the bare minimum . I would much rather having a 6.2 , 110 kg winger , who can step on a dime , has a 40 inch vertical leap , ball skills of modern nba players , can bench 150kg , deadlift 200kg and go for 80 mins no problem , than a 78kg winger who runs the 100m in 10 seconds .
Broadly speaking it’s not even close . Especially when the guys your playing against were at most 92kg , front rowers .

My point I’m making , before everyone gets upset that I’m bagging thier favourite player , is that it’s all relative . Elite is only relative to the era that person played in. Does it devalue these people . No ! Of course not !
And of course , all things equal who’s to know . I literally said that .
But the statement was that Irvine was a superior athlete to today . And that is not true on every metric , that isn’t just fast running .
And if you don’t agree because “back in my day “, well I don’t know what to say . The skills of the wingers today far exceed anything of previous generations . Running fast is not a skill . It’s a genetic inheritance . You can develop it sure , but you either have it or you don’t . You can’t develop it from scratch .

 

[Russell]

Are we talking about signing JAC or are we now signing players from the 70s?


I'd take Peter Dimond over JAC.

I tackled him in a Public Services Game in the Domain once in the sixties.

Brought him down, but I thought every bone in my body was broken - he was a tough winger.

Liked the feud with Vince Karalius in the SCG test as a sidelight.

I digress - Must mention JAC in this thread - there you go.

 

[Russell]

He might as well make up his mind and settle his future today. It’s not like this Origin series matters.

Currently being paid by Storm, our offer is probably a fixed amount and good until pre-season starts (if not longer). He’d be silly not to cop 2 pay cheques for as long as possible.

Doesn't get two. If he signs with us for 21 - he would be paid contract amount - minus the amount the Storm is paying him between )1 Nov and when the new contract is registered. That's as I understand it.