JAC

[CarltonDry]

Seriously, this forum has either been infiltrated or some people have turned into complete tools. All this 'i had lunch with pascoe' or " i mixed it in the chairmans lounge with important people" just makes you look a complete flog.

Growing problem with the forum, a lot of little hints here and all hot air since clearly some in management don't know what is happening day to day.

It is sad that people got their hopes up because of this nonsense when it was absolutely clear from early on that he didn't want to come here. People are blinded by their love of the club and fail to make sound judgements about what the elite players think. It is too much effort to write a proper analysis of this but we are run by people who don't understand the game they are in as well as the competition. We are played by the media, player managers and opposition clubs. We aren't the only bad club, but we definitely aren't a good one.

My only hope for the next 3 years is the football department's investment in gun juniors, at least it is a clear plan that we are executing.

Three years eh?

There's always the next year.... or two.... or three.... ?

Awesome

Need a 5ish year plan like the Panthers ?

 

[tony soprano]

People who think teams would like nofo and Mansour running at them all game are delusional

 

[twentyforty]

The more I think about this , the closer I get to understanding WT couldn’t do more than they did.

Why didn’t we sign JAC for 2022? Because he wouldn’t sign, only explanation.

Why introduce a HOA? Because it’s the next best thing to a contract.

The HOA would have included both parties agreeing to a move in 2021, but only if Storm released him, which clearly they would not do.Evidenced by upgrading his contract by $100k.

Is the HOA still live? Beats me?

Are we still the RedBook club? Definitely not any more, the offer of $600 or $675k was a realistic Val imo. This means that players who start negotiating contracts with WT in future will be more qualified.

It appears to me that WT started digging this hole that we’re climbing out of about 10 years ago. And it looks like we have some good people doing the digging now. Sure there may be some deadwood still taking up oxygen but they will eventually improve or move on.

 

[hodgo]

I usually try to be nice but it literally blows my mind that some people can't see the direction the club is heading. We have literally signed most of the ousltstanding young talent coming up in both qld and nsw. We are recruiting youth not journey man. We are throwing our hat in the ring for some of the most dynamic young players in the game.
These have not happened for us in 10 years.

Stop thinking because we try and don't get its a failure. You can't force someone to play here but we are having a real shake.

 

[hodgo]

People who think teams would like nofo and Mansour running at them all game are delusional

While I'm not keen on the combo myself offensively it would be a handful

 

[pawsandclaws1]

People who think teams would like nofo and Mansour running at them all game are delusional

We have a lack of pace in the backline now. You witnessed in SOO how genuine pace changes a game. It is a match winner. Except for Brooks and Kepaoa there is no pace in our backline. You want to compound this by adding another snail?

 

[tigerbalm]

It’s playing out like exactly like last year. Miss out on LM, and BJ was the consolation prize. This year. miss out on JAC and get Mansour as the consolation prize.

Does Josh have a brother he can bring along too?

 

[twentyforty]

Why are we even talking about Mansour?
If we are entertaining the idea then why wouldn’t we have sent one of our wingers to Storm?
Why not upgrade one of the juniors instead?
If we sign Mansour then I’m calling for a new CEO.

 

[old_man_tiger]

People are blinded by their love of the club and fail to make sound judgements about what the elite players think.

Oh, please do enlighten us about what elite players think and how you come to obtain this knowledge.

I have no special insight. Look at JAC and the sudden disappearance of his "compassionate grounds", look at Teddys exit (and near exit), look at Latrell. Look at scumbag Cleary. Maybe we draw different conclusions. What I see in the public domain is the club talks tough about contracts, deadlines etc.. which only works when the other party thinks you have the upper hand. We clearly don't since 0 big deals have been sealed.

 

[wonka]

Why are we linked with Mansour we need a fullback.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Seriously, this forum has either been infiltrated or some people have turned into complete tools. All this 'i had lunch with pascoe' or " i mixed it in the chairmans lounge with important people" just makes you look a complete flog.

Growing problem with the forum, a lot of little hints here and all hot air since clearly some in management don't know what is happening day to day.

It is sad that people got their hopes up because of this nonsense when it was absolutely clear from early on that he didn't want to come here. People are blinded by their love of the club and fail to make sound judgements about what the elite players think. It is too much effort to write a proper analysis of this but we are run by people who don't understand the game they are in as well as the competition. We are played by the media, player managers and opposition clubs. We aren't the only bad club, but we definitely aren't a good one.

My only hope for the next 3 years is the football department's investment in gun juniors, at least it is a clear plan that we are executing.

Three years eh?

There's always the next year.... or two.... or three.... ?

Awesome

I think we can improve and make the 8 next year but it depends on our senior players being smarter (Tamou should help) and our youth finding consistent form.

JAC isn't my be all and end all, my point is that the club plays these situations poorly but seems better at identifying good youth.

 

[TillLindemann]

I usually try to be nice but it literally blows my mind that some people can't see the direction the club is heading. We have literally signed most of the ousltstanding young talent coming up in both qld and nsw. We are recruiting youth not journey man. We are throwing our hat in the ring for some of the most dynamic young players in the game.
These have not happened for us in 10 years.

Stop thinking because we try and don't get its a failure. You can't force someone to play here but we are having a real shake.

Agree 100%! Our youth recruitment has been arguably the best in the NRL!

 

[Tcat]

This appears to me that.

a) Josh wanted to move back to Sydney. Melbourne really really did not want to lose him because he is a very good player for them and it would be bad business to just let the best winger in the game walk.
b) Josh proceeded to demonstrate said quality for the entire time since this whole saga began, just making Melbourne even more reluctant to let him walk.
c) The Tigers won the contract. They literally were the only club in the running and there was an agreement signed specifically to ensure that it was legally above board.
d) Since the signing of the HOA everything has been about negotiating a release with Melbourne. Melbourne trying to get compensation for the best winger in the NRL. The literal only way they ever do this as good business is to get David Nofoaluma's contract, the current Dally M winger of the year.
e) The Wests Tigers chose to keep David because he's also really good, wants to be here, supplies no drama and we need to show loyalty to that. Also he probably didn't want to move to Melbourne.
f) Melbourne decided to make one last attempt to bury the issue after seeing him absolutely tear up in Origin and gave him a pay bump to just put it off one year. Addo Carr's advisors tell him that there's probably no other option if Melbourne won't release him, so he accepts.

If this is how it played out. Then i fail to see how our club did anything wrong or what everyone is whining about.

What evidence is there to suggest that this isn't hat happened?

The one thing that makes me think this more Melb.s doing is the fact that we appear to have an enforceable HOA that would either tie him to this club or be used in negotiations. If Melb had said we will release but JAC told us there was no way he was going to play with us and will stay in Melb so he can go wherever he wants in 2022 why wouldn't we say to him if you don't want to be here we can look at using the HOA as a negotiation tool with the club you want to go to. I don't see why if he bluntly refused to come here why we wouldn't use the HOA to negotiate.

I think using a HOA has damaged our future recruitment. Players/managers will avoid them like the plague which means they won't trust our club and it's legal team.
The NRL need to have a 2 week window mid season to sign players for the following season with a 1 month negotiation period prior to those 2 weeks.

Maybe players and managers will think twice about using our club as leveridge for themselves/clients when there is no intention in the first place.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

People who think teams would like nofo and Mansour running at them all game are delusional

I like Mansour, I really do, but sadly he just isn’t what this team needs. We need speed and height on our wings, something we haven’t had in...God I don’t know how long now....since JAC left I guess.

It’s great to have a bullocking Nofo on one wing, but my wish is that we can finally land a tall flyer to play on the other wing, one who won’t be out-leapt on bombs, one who can run the length of the field when put into the clear and not be run down, one who can win the race to the ball when it’s kicked downfield, or at least pin the opposition in their own in goal and probably most importantly, one who can defend as well as they can attack.

Is there such a player? Oh yeah...JAC! Seriously though I’d just be happy for someone, anyone who has the height and the speed right now, even if the overall talent isn’t quite there yet, kinda like JAC when he was playing with us. There has to be someone in this mold that we can snag surely because Mansour is not the answer to our long standing deficiency of pace on our wings.

 

[Holden]

Anyone hearing we lost Aloiai to Manly?

 

[innsaneink]

I usually try to be nice but it literally blows my mind that some people can't see the direction the club is heading. We have literally signed most of the ousltstanding young talent coming up in both qld and nsw. We are recruiting youth not journey man. We are throwing our hat in the ring for some of the most dynamic young players in the game.
These have not happened for us in 10 years.

Stop thinking because we try and don't get its a failure. You can't force someone to play here but we are having a real shake.

Wow that's impressive... "MOST of the outstanding young talent"

Will they all make first grade, will they all get to 50, 100 NRL games?

I saw a bloke kill it on the origin stage the other night... Been winning games for his teams the last few years now

Sorry but some if us are sick to death of waiting waiting waiting we've been waiting for a decade

I really think we need a balance of experience and youth but it's pretty obvious we can't attract the elite experience can only attract those after an opportunity

 

[jirskyr]

People are blinded by their love of the club and fail to make sound judgements about what the elite players think.

Oh, please do enlighten us about what elite players think and how you come to obtain this knowledge.

I have no special insight. Look at JAC and the sudden disappearance of his "compassionate grounds", look at Teddys exit (and near exit), look at Latrell. Look at scumbag Cleary. Maybe we draw different conclusions. What I see in the public domain is the club talks tough about contracts, deadlines etc.. which only works when the other party thinks you have the upper hand. We clearly don't since 0 big deals have been sealed.

I'm not clear what your point is?

 

[old_man_tiger]

People are blinded by their love of the club and fail to make sound judgements about what the elite players think.

Oh, please do enlighten us about what elite players think and how you come to obtain this knowledge.

I have no special insight. Look at JAC and the sudden disappearance of his "compassionate grounds", look at Teddys exit (and near exit), look at Latrell. Look at scumbag Cleary. Maybe we draw different conclusions. What I see in the public domain is the club talks tough about contracts, deadlines etc.. which only works when the other party thinks you have the upper hand. We clearly don't since 0 big deals have been sealed.

I'm not clear what your point is?

No problem I'll leave it there

 

[happy_tiger]

I usually try to be nice but it literally blows my mind that some people can't see the direction the club is heading. We have literally signed most of the ousltstanding young talent coming up in both qld and nsw. We are recruiting youth not journey man. We are throwing our hat in the ring for some of the most dynamic young players in the game.
These have not happened for us in 10 years.

Stop thinking because we try and don't get its a failure. You can't force someone to play here but we are having a real shake.

Wow that's impressive... "MOST of the outstanding young talent"

Will they all make first grade, will they all get to 50, 100 NRL games?

I saw a bloke kill it on the origin stage the other night... Been winning games for his teams the last few years now

Sorry but some if us are sick to death of waiting waiting waiting we've been waiting for a decade

I really think we need a balance of experience and youth but it's pretty obvious we can't attract the elite experience can only attract those after an opportunity

Who will then get their butts out of here in a cloud of dust the microsecond something better comes along ...yet again I'm thinking it is better off for everyone involved this club rolls over and dies

 

[voice_of_reason]

but JAC told us there was no way he was going to play with us

I don't see why if he bluntly refused to come here

There's nothing to suggest either of these statements is true. In fact it's more likely they're false - he signed an agreement to that affect.

I suspect his new manager has pumped his tires about his value and Melbourne might have realised they need him more than they thought. He sat down with them and worked on a new arrangement - the Tigers probably weren't even mentioned in the discussion because the HOA is irrelevant if he stayed. I think we're a bit paranoid with the 'everyone hates us' narrative.

It's analogous to the clause in Harry's contract if Cam Smith played on. If Smith retires the clause isn't exercised. If JAC stays in Melbourne the HOA becomes null and void.